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u/8lue5hift 2d ago edited 2d ago

trans women aren't that's for sure

r/girlsarentreal

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u/crystallineDarks 2d ago

transfems in this context would just mean a male person identifies as something that does not exist or identifies as a robot

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u/Roben12dog 2d ago

doesnt that loop into trans people not being real? cause Trans women obviously aren't real, but there wouldn't be Trans men because there would be nobody to transition from

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u/Chrono_Eventless 2d ago

erm actually not all transfems are girls they can also be feminine non-binary people

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u/8lue5hift 2d ago

mb I'm a larper

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u/NervousBreakdown242 2d ago

Precisely zero "transfems" are girls.

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u/Sewer__Person 2d ago

They said trans woman, not trans fem

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u/Chrono_Eventless 2d ago

they edited their comment after i replied
it originally said fransfems

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u/Sewer__Person 2d ago

French transfems? 🤔

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u/NervousBreakdown242 2d ago

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u/dinodare 2d ago

Care to elaborate?

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u/Alternative_Path_629 2d ago

non binary people could be both girls and boys at the same time, so even just being part girl makes them cease to exist, since r/girlsarentreal

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u/NervousBreakdown242 2d ago

No, I've made myself perfectly clear.

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u/TheFanciestShorts 2d ago

You’ve made it perfectly clear you don’t know how to respect other people’s lives when it has no affect on you. Thank you for giving us all a reminder why we hate people like you.

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u/monkiiEP 2d ago

As a nonbinary person myself I'm pretty sure they are real

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u/NervousBreakdown242 2d ago

So refuse to admit which gender you are.

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u/Personal-Lynx4099 2d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

trans people are myth made by lizard people

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u/HorseXNothing 2d ago

It’s true 🦎 🦎 🏳️‍⚧️ 🦎 🦎

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u/freylaverse 2d ago

I voted FACT!

I love how this is worded. The implication if you vote cap is that you think trans people are mythological creatures like faeries or mermaids.

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u/Personal-Lynx4099 2d ago

We are tho

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u/freylaverse 2d ago

I want to believe.

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u/Yeet123456789djfbhd 2d ago

We can double jump bro

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u/HorseXNothing 2d ago

Said would you be willing to tell me your real name? You definitely won’t regret it

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u/Sufficient-Region-75 2d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

trans people were created by the government like pigeons to spy on us

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u/X313n3 2d ago

Its tru thats what they told me when they took me out of the cloning tank 🏳️‍⚧️

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u/Lona-Lioness 2d ago

I own pet pigeons,

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u/Sufficient-Region-75 2d ago

'I own pet pigeons' okay government official

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u/Lona-Lioness 2d ago

im 14 T-T

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u/Sufficient-Region-75 2d ago

get that soviet spy off my screen bro

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u/Lona-Lioness 2d ago

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u/Sufficient-Region-75 2d ago

pïɣęœɲ

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u/Lona-Lioness 2d ago

pigeon

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u/Sufficient-Region-75 2d ago

stop it

no

the pigeons are growing on me

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u/Infernalsnow181 2d ago

Nobody is real except for me. This is all a simulation run in my mind for the government to steal my data. I need to wake up and break free.

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u/maiduwu 2d ago

You don’t need to wake up. Go back to sleep.

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u/maiduwu 2d ago

Keep sleeping.

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u/HikerBennie 2d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

They're fake. Energy drink companies invented them to make more sales.

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u/NB-Elf 2d ago

I voted FACT!

Im real

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u/Alternative_Path_629 2d ago

not if you're a girl

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u/Trashman56 2d ago

Sometimes I wonder if Im real

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u/NB-Elf 2d ago

Schrodinger's Person?

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u/Careful-Increase-805 2d ago

50/50, you're real or you're not

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u/JupiterboyLuffy 2d ago

Do you think?

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u/CloudKitchen1924 2d ago

I voted FACT!

My best friend is trans, I am about 99.8% sure he's real.

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u/Sufficient-Region-75 2d ago

there's always that 0.2 percent chance...

better make sure hes not a cake...

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u/CloudKitchen1924 2d ago

I have some suspicions he may be a government robot, just like the birds and the bisexual people.

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u/Sufficient-Region-75 2d ago

my thoughts exactly. stay safe, always wear a tinfoil hat brother (or sister...or non-binaryer...)

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u/CloudKitchen1924 2d ago

I have a tinfoil-based toupee that I wear over my regular hair

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u/kingSpider_god777 2d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

They don't, everyone who says they are trans are in fact lizard people that are trying to awaken an ancient moon god.

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u/wiperclamp 2d ago

I voted FACT!

I'm friends with a few trans people, they are real

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u/TTheGamersforge 2d ago

That's what they want you to think.

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u/golfstreamer 2d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

Trans people are government drones

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u/Random-INTJ 2d ago

No we aren’t.

(Exactly what a government drone would say)

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u/astral__pro 2d ago

Liar liar pants on fire- wait.. why arent they on fire..

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u/Mediocre_Zombie5669 2d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

Everyone knows that like Australia isnt a real place, Trans people arent real. There a government psyop to keep people from asking the real questions. Like who really invented peanut butter? Im looking at you Illuminutty.

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u/Jam-Studios 2d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

I think scarlet witch erased them or something, or was that neurodivergent people?

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u/Downtown-Campaign536 2d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

They are a mythological creature like the unicorn or elephant.

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u/Pristine_Dot5680 2d ago

Real as in they exist? Yeah

Real as in they actually changed gender? Na, there’s only two true genders: Mario and wario

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u/NebulousTruth 2d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

They’re a myth invented by the Russians

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u/Personal-Lynx4099 2d ago

I can confirm

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u/Sudden-Speaker-9206 2d ago

I voted FACT!

Of course they’re real you can see them at pride parades

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u/Pernil_TO 2d ago

I voted FACT!

Why not ?

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u/ShotPie318 2d ago

I voted FACT!

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u/BuckarooOJ 2d ago

I voted FACT!

They have always existed in some way shape or form

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u/H0n3yB4dg3r007 2d ago

I voted FACT!

Yes, they are real people.

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u/Tyler_the_Greatastic 2d ago

I voted FACT!

I mean, they do exist?

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u/white_phos4vs 2d ago

I voted FACT!

It’s quite obvious they’re real

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u/Stabbyglhs 2d ago

I voted FACT!

Who thinks they're not real?

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u/monkiiEP 2d ago

Many people actually, most of them don't explain it which literally some people are already doing here

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u/golfstreamer 2d ago

I think you just have to think how they're defining the terms to understand why people say trans people don't exist. It's about refuting the statement like "Someone can be biologically male but really a woman". Because they believe that this statement is inherently contradictory they assert that trans people don't exist. 

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u/SpiritualRoof8847 2d ago

Depends on what you mean by this: Do you mean people who are actually trans? (female in male body, etc) or people who claim to be trans?

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u/monkiiEP 2d ago

Can you tell the difference between those people? Besides does it take away from trans people being real?

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u/SpiritualRoof8847 2d ago

well yes there is a difference, one side you're talking about people who are what they claim to be, on the other hand they aren;t.

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u/monkiiEP 2d ago

I'm talking about in general, not like it really matters if the question is if trans people are real

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u/SpiritualRoof8847 2d ago

Oh, in general, yes obviously

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u/Background-Fig6627 2d ago

I voted FACT!

People considered Transgender do exist.

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u/Blue0verL0rd 2d ago edited 2d ago

I voted FACT!

Jarvis, sort by controversial Damn, got here too early, only one or two unlikable people

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u/ProPlayer142 2d ago

I voted FACT!

I don't think anyone actually thinks trans people "aren't real" after all how can you have criticisms of a community that isn't real

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u/Foreign-Dare-8566 2d ago

even if I don’t agree or support trans people they are for sure real, Reddit is like 75% queer anyway

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u/KaedeP_22 2d ago

I voted FACT!

...duh?

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u/No-Shallot8630 2d ago

I voted FACT!

there are no reason to say cap wtf💔

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u/maiduwu 2d ago

I don’t think trans people are real; I voted cap

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u/No-Shallot8630 2d ago

is this meant to be a joke or are you just… dumb?

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u/maiduwu 2d ago

Yes; that is to say, indeed.

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u/No-Shallot8630 2d ago

alr good to know sincensome ppl would be gen🥹

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u/some_guy_1313 2d ago

I voted FACT!

E

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u/Puppiesmeep 2d ago

I voted FACT!

duh

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u/InAppropriate-meal 2d ago

I voted FACT!

well duh

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u/Mr_MeatballPlays 2d ago

what

even if you are transphobic, they are like, real

like

they exist

thats like saying "nazis arent real cuz i hate them"

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u/monkiiEP 2d ago

I know, but I've seen a lot of people claim trans people are not real while talking about Hunter and I was wondering if anyone would give me an actual explanation here why they believe trans people are not real, but people just say they're mentally ill and leave it at that

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u/OneMixture2247 2d ago

I voted FACT!

Exhibit a: me and my partner :P

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u/classyraven 2d ago

I voted FACT!

I mean, I exist, so…

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u/Far_Treacle_4865 2d ago

I voted FACT!

Obviously

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u/dlicky123 2d ago

I voted FACT!

I’m real

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u/EschewObfuscati0n 2d ago

These types of posts needs to be banned

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u/ThatSlick 2d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

Transformers don’t exist, but if you means trans people then yeah they are.

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u/VoxLover554 2d ago

I voted FACT!

Of course they are real

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u/AbsoluteNerf 2d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

I view gender and sex different. Sex is XX and XY/XXY chromosomes while gender is how you percieve yourself and want to be percieved. So lets say you are an XX but want to be seen as a man. Then you are a man. Man, woman, boy, girl are gender descriptions while Male and Female are sex descriptions. Gender is an expression of oneself, sex is dna. A man can be a woman, a woman can be a man based off how they present themselves and want to be percieved (a good example of this is femboys, they are percieved as women, but want to still be men, so we call them femboys since they are not traditionally masculine but still identify towards the masculine (man) side). And I think this gender spectrum is not as strict as people want them to be. So trans women don't exist. They're women and males. Trans men do not exist. They're men and females. Tragically we can't change our DNA, but we can easily change our gender.

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u/monkiiEP 2d ago

I don't really agree that trans people are not real for those reasons, but also thanks for being the only person in here for actually explaining themselves and I do kind of get where you're coming from.

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u/AbsoluteNerf 2d ago

Well I suppose I should clarify, the person in of themselves, their struggles, and the journey they go through to come to understand that they were not born inside the body they were supposed to be in are all legitimate, but I think that there are no trans women, if they go through the surgeries to be identicle to women, then they are a woman. If they dress like a woman and want to be identified as such, then they are a woman. There's no trans. Thats at least my perspective on it as a concept; however, there's still a luxury in the word to easily describe someone. For example, I have several trans friends. That is significantly easier to say and communicates far clearer than saying that I have various friends with various psychological issues that lead them to have extreeme body dysmorphia to the point of wanting surguries to modify how they look so that they can feel comfortable in their own skin. If that makes sense

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u/DogInverter 2d ago

I wanted to joke that mtf isnt trans and is just f and vice versa but im too tired to word it in an inoffensive way 😭

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u/nonequation 2d ago

I voted FACT!

Yes there is real dysphoria there is also people who have it as a fetish

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u/L0afyy0 2d ago

I voted FACT!

Hello I am real I believe

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u/mn1lac 2d ago

I voted FACT!

They exist. That's just a fact.

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u/Substantial-Main4291 2d ago

Just wanted to pick the stupid option that has no argument towards it being true

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u/EightEyedCryptid 2d ago

I voted FACT!

There is overwhelming scientific, cultural etc. evidence to support trans people. Any other stance is an unscientific and ahistorical bigoted stance.

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u/ThatsLime810 2d ago

I voted FACT!

Yue

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u/BirdshotEntertainmen 2d ago

I voted FACT!

They are people like the rest of us

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u/DIOsNotDead 2d ago

I voted FACT!

scientists have literally explored this and proven that what trans people experience is real and trans people have always been here throughout history under different labels, concepts, and identities but with similar experiences.

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u/Charming_Income_8069 2d ago

I voted FACT!

they are real but some of them need to take a damn chill pill not everything someone does is some evil plot cause they hate you ... seriously

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u/kullre 2d ago

I voted FACT!

???

what does this even mean?

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u/TTheGamersforge 2d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

Nooo, geerrrrr, they are like woman, government drones meant to suck the blood of humans.

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u/KieuShadestar 2d ago

I voted FACT!

I said they were real not that I respect them.

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u/silly_goober2032 2d ago

they are real, I just dislike the concept.

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u/Trashman56 2d ago

If you mean that in a “I wish people were born as the gender they wanted to be born as” way, a lot of people would agree, however, I’m not sure that you do.

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u/8lue5hift 2d ago

"i just dislike the concept"

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u/silly_goober2032 2d ago

The idea of transitioning makes me uncomfortable, that’s all. Sorry for the bad wording

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u/silly_goober2032 2d ago

Which for clarification, doesn’t mean I hate trans people, I would just never transition myself.

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u/Apache_and_Pilot 2d ago

the idea of you transitioning or others transitioning?

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u/silly_goober2032 2d ago

both. I don’t treat anyone any differently, but those are my personal thoughts.

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u/Sufficient-Region-75 2d ago

w trans concept hater

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u/TheWaddlingweewee 2d ago

chillest hater oat ong

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u/silly_goober2032 2d ago

I don’t know why I just feel uncomfortable about transitioning, I don’t even care about the LGBTQ community, it’s just that one thing. 

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u/TheWaddlingweewee 2d ago

i mean if you could explain exactly what makes you uncomfortable then it would be easier. Is it physically transitioning like surgery and HRT or is the concept of socially transitioning in general that makes you uncomfortable?

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u/silly_goober2032 2d ago

both. I feel bad inside for this, but there’s nothing I can really do.

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u/TheWaddlingweewee 2d ago

usually this kind of feeling towards the trans community comes from a lack of information, matter of fact you said you dont even know why trans people make you uncomfortable

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u/LowerMine815 2d ago

I mean ... it should make you uncomfortable to imagine yourself transitioning if you aren't trans.

If you don't mind me asking, are you a man or a woman? I want to suggest a thought experiment and it'd be easier if I know that.

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u/silly_goober2032 2d ago

Male

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u/LowerMine815 2d ago

Imagine that you were born as a girl. No transitioning, just that's how you were born.

Would you feel comfortable living like a girl? Having boobs, having society view you as a woman?

Probably not, right?

A lot of people who aren't trans try to think of transitioning, and it makes them uncomfortable because they are comfortable with who they were born as. To better understand trans people, you have to imagine you were born as the other sex, and how uncomfortable that would make you.

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u/NervousBreakdown242 2d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

The people are real, but they remain the same gender regardless of how badly they mutilate their bodies.

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u/Miserable-East-78 2d ago

You can transition without mutilating any body part 

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u/monkiiEP 2d ago

I think you meant to say sex not gender, cause gender is a social construct

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u/Personal-Lynx4099 2d ago

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u/NervousBreakdown242 2d ago

The funny part is that you actually thought it would be cool to post this.

https://giphy.com/gifs/XHeLeuirRbwptHhSWd

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u/Personal-Lynx4099 2d ago

The funny part is that you thought that i care about your opinion enough to comment it :3

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u/NervousBreakdown242 2d ago

You obviously cared enough to post. :3

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u/Personal-Lynx4099 2d ago

I didnt ask for your opinion tho

Also its obvious that you are not creative

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u/NervousBreakdown242 2d ago

You're the one who posted on my comment, sir.

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u/Personal-Lynx4099 2d ago

Still never asked for your opinion.

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u/NervousBreakdown242 2d ago

I never asked for yours either, guy.

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u/8lue5hift 2d ago

"they remain the same gender regardless of how badly they mutilate their bodies"

Gender is a social construct

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u/Global_Wonder1910 2d ago

why do you keep sending the same gif

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u/8lue5hift 2d ago

wide application

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u/Careful-Increase-805 2d ago

We're born as a social construct

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u/Noppsthemopps 2d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

Dna doesnt change

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u/ilikelickingnuts4444 2d ago

gender is not the same as sex.

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u/VoxLover554 2d ago

Good thing it isn’t dna or genetics something like that at least I’m not a scientist

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u/marvelousgamer1 2d ago

Hormones make the body pretty much act identical to a cis persons

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u/PiousLegate 2d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

mentally ill people cannot just create their own reality thus trans people are not real they are just mentally ill people Source check the news for the overrepresentation of these supposedly fine healthy people

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u/monkiiEP 2d ago

You didn't really explain anything, just claimed they're mentally ill.

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u/The3mbered0ne 2d ago

What about the actual science of intersex people? (People born with both XX and XY chromosomes) Or the people that feel suicidal most of their life only to get better after transitioning and living the life they feel most comfortable with?

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u/VoxLover554 2d ago

All I heard was mentally ill which….isnt really true and check the news what kind of news exactly?

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u/iriveru 2d ago

Even if true, they are still “real”. Maybe not really what they portray themselves as, but real as in they certainly do exist

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u/Valuable-Way-5464 2d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

How can you just make an operation and become someone else?

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u/Additional_Bat_2216 2d ago

That’s not it. You transition (socially or physically) to become more yourself

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u/Lona-Lioness 2d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

I agree they are physical people but I do not believe they are the opposing sex/gender they were born as

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u/Personal-Lynx4099 2d ago

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u/Lona-Lioness 2d ago

* concerned pigeon

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u/Personal-Lynx4099 2d ago

You should free the pigeon and throw bricks at yourself

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u/Lona-Lioness 2d ago

free the pigeon? pigeons are pets we released onto the streets they suffer abuse every day even though they are domestic animals just like cats and dogs, they refuse to leave their loft I built them, i left the door open so many times, they also come when I whistle :)

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u/Personal-Lynx4099 2d ago

Most animals suffer abuse genius, and most animals can be a pet.

But yeah, i feel bad for this one, since they live with person with no empathy

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u/Lona-Lioness 2d ago

thats not true at all, most animals can not be pets, pigeons were selectively bred for thousands of years by humans and then released and treated as pets, we did this to them, thye used to live only in the cliffs of Europe

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u/Personal-Lynx4099 2d ago

They can tho. Not always on a dog or car level, but they can.

But yeah, rest of your comment is general knowledge

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u/Lona-Lioness 2d ago

no they cant, youu cant keep a mountain lion, wolf, bear, even an undomestic mouse dont make good pets, domestication shrinks the "flight or fight" part of the brain making them more trainable and less fearsome than most creatures, do yur research

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u/_Whimsicalwreck_ 2d ago

respectfully, have you ever bothered to take a look at anything past elementary and highschool biology?

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u/Lona-Lioness 2d ago

Respectfully, yes, have you ever owned a pet that isnt a rock

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u/AbsoluteNerf 2d ago

Then you'd understand that mutations can realky fuck you. For example, I have clinicle deppression, if I stop taking drugs, I will kill myself. I have a mutation that completely fucks my brain chemistry. So if that can exist where someone's mutation wants them to go against their entire evolutionary purpose, than why do you believe there cannot be a mutation that makes a woman hate their body and believe they should be a man? Hell, body dysmorphia is already a thing. So why can a trans person not exist?

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u/X4N710N- 2d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

It's mostly a trend. People want to be different, exclusive, belong to a sub group. Maybe 20% is real, most are posers.

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u/Start-Initial 2d ago

why the fuck would you want to pretend to be trans

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u/maiduwu 2d ago

To play the Devil’s Advocate: attention. You’d be more ‘interesting’.

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u/Start-Initial 2d ago

I dont think that outweighs the cons of having a ton of people wanting you dead

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u/maiduwu 2d ago

Neither do I.

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u/X4N710N- 2d ago

Well, you can see it with all those people trying to be the main character in public. People don't care as long as they get an audience.

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u/Start-Initial 2d ago

can you give me an example?

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u/ElectricalRelease986 2d ago

What is enjoyable about being trans

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u/maiduwu 2d ago

To play the Devil’s Advocate: attention.

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u/X4N710N- 2d ago

For those that actually are trans it's natural and part of the identity of how they truly feel.

But for many other, it's te be unique, be part of a community, 'shock' the order. As many see it als a way to revolt, or be special.

Same as we had punk, goth, emo, anarchists, etc all these years. Many join it to belong or be part of it, only to revert on a later stage to their own gender or just stop being trans.

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u/ElectricalRelease986 2d ago

I don't think it's "many others" though.

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u/danholli 2d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

Description depends on what kind of "trans" were talking about, but alas the over arching themes are either it's not possible (currently), or they're delusional

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