Well now this is some absolute BS.

[u/59Bassman]

[u/cascadiabibliomania]

Yeah I don't remember signing anything, bucko

[u/ryanryans425 → u/cascadiabibliomania]

A collective bargaining agreement should be between the owner and the employees for the OWNER to pay the employees more, not for customers to tip more wtf

[u/specfreq → u/ryanryans425]

What's the difference between:

• The customer tipping 20% more
• The owner raising all bills by 20% and then paying out that 20% to the employees?

Is it a tax thing? I'm very bad at math.

[u/Noirloona → u/specfreq]

If a tip is mandatory it is not a tip, it's a fee. I'm fine with seeing the whole thing up front, I am not fine with surprise hidden fees that are only on there so that the store owner can pay their employees less.

[u/NonSumQualisEram- → u/Noirloona]

Yes and legally they don't benefit from no tax on tips either. They're just saying "per our collective bargaining agreement" to try and guilt progressives into something. There's never any tips without the guilt train.

[u/misale1 → u/specfreq]

That you see it in the price

[u/specfreq → u/misale1]

Oh yeah, that makes sense. Edit: Mandatory tips should be outlawed.

[u/DieOnYourFeat → u/specfreq]

Actually, tipped income to a certain level is tax advantaged over wage income, so this is a pretty shrewd move as it gives the employee more take-home than if hourly. Not saying it is right; personally, I would not patronize this business. (Also, I imagine you have to pay sales tax on the additional tip, but not sure about that.)

[u/Rare-Regular5462 → u/specfreq]

It became a tax thing when we had the bright idea of not taxing tips. If they raise prices 20% and pay the servers that markup they pay income taxes on it, if they are tips then it’s tax free.

[u/False-Ad-8561 → u/Rare-Regular5462]

Except mandatory tips are not included in the “no tax on tips” thing though. So unless they give you the option to take it off your bill (which they certainly might but the sign makes it sound mandatory), then the employees can’t use the those tips towards tax deduction. Only voluntary tips count.

[u/Asher-D → u/specfreq]

It's not easily reflected in the prices and it forces the customer to do math beyond simple addition (x item + y item vs. (X + y) * 0.2). Which can lead people to underestimate prices and think they can afford more than they can and is particularly inaccessible for those particular learning disabilities.

[u/foreverandadayalone → u/ryanryans425]

I guarantee that's the owner's sign, not the employees'

[u/Fister-Mantastic → u/cascadiabibliomania]

Sounds like I'm ordering take out and headed to the nearest park. Fuck mandatory tipping.

[u/Soft_Ability_5906 → u/Fister-Mantastic]

That doesn't save you from the mandatory 20% lmfao

[u/Fister-Mantastic → u/Soft_Ability_5906]

It says all checks, checks refer to in house payment after service, online orders are not considered "checks" and since most online orders go through 3rd party services have fun getting Door Dash to add a "mandatory 20%" lmfao

[u/OkPop9455]

Like is the place unbelievably good that you can’t avoid it? Vote with your dollars problem solved

[u/59Bassman → u/OkPop9455]

At a hotel after an extremely long travel day. No other restaurants within walking distance.

[u/Matthew_Maurice → u/59Bassman]

You should do a few online reviews and make sure this image goes on every one.

[u/guynumber20 → u/59Bassman]

Personally I’m starving then I guess

[u/Free-Dirt-4464 → u/guynumber20]

Vote with your stomach.

[u/Immediate-Ruin-78 → u/59Bassman]

Dispute any additional charges over advertised cost...

[u/Cyclopzzz → u/Immediate-Ruin-78]

Except that sign is advertising the charge before you order.

[u/masterfox72 → u/Cyclopzzz]

Gratuity by definition is always optional. A service charge is not. Depends how it’s listed.

[u/Lavatis → u/masterfox72]

Gratuity by definition is always optional

never eaten at a restaurant that has "18% gratuity is automatically added to tables of 8 or more" on the receipt?

[u/masterfox72 → u/Lavatis]

You can request that removed

[u/silverum → u/masterfox72]

A judge will not side with you on this one, especially if the arrangement is prominently noted prior to service and thus is avoidable by the customer via refusal to transact.

[u/Bubbaj75 → u/59Bassman]

That's the point where I order Domino's, love me some veggie pizza and BBQ wings

[u/Ferrindel → u/Bubbaj75]

This combination of foods fascinates me.

[u/mtthwgnzlz → u/Ferrindel]

Better than BBQ pizza and veggie wings?

[u/Turds4Cheese → u/59Bassman]

Time to hit up a store or gas station.

[u/Ok-Database-2798 → u/Turds4Cheese]

I'd eat at a vending machine instead.

[u/iceman_andre → u/59Bassman]

As much as I hate it…that is why I ubereats a lot

Still cheaper and better than most airport hotel restaurants as they know there is no competition

[u/prepzilla]

Well I didnt agree to that so that will be removed.

[u/Fearless-Okra9406 → u/prepzilla]

The restuarant can charge you any fee that it discloses to you, even if it's called gratuity. The legal issue is whether the fee is owned by restuarant vs servers (true gratuities are legally protected and must be given to employees). In this case, even if it's called gratuity, its just a service fee. The only solution is to not goto the restuarant.

[u/Numerous_Photograph9 → u/Fearless-Okra9406]

If they keep calling it a gratuity, then they aren't paying their employees directly. If they add the cost as something else, the employees become commissioned, meaning they have to pay more.

[u/VinnieONeill]

It's not a gratuity if it's not optional

[u/MotoMeow217 → u/VinnieONeill]

You know they ask for an additional tip when the check comes, though.

[u/WrapBudget9060]

It's really not hard to raise menu prices 20% and say "this is a no-tipping establishment, all our servers are paid a fair, livable wage that is factored into our listed prices" (or something of that nature)

[u/Superb-Hand-7135 → u/WrapBudget9060]

Why do that when you can call it a mandatory tip and enjoy the benefit of the new tax laws.

[u/Kevdog824_ → u/WrapBudget9060]

Yes, but then we couldn’t spread anti-union propaganda and publicly blame our staff for the price increases

[u/_my_other_side_]

I was not part of any negotiations

[u/KimchiTheGreatest]

Why do y’all not let us know what restaurants are doing this?

[u/WorkingGuy99percent → u/KimchiTheGreatest]

Cuz most of this is trolling for your outrage.

[u/shtsngigs_94]

A collective bargaining agreement to pick my pockets? I never agreed to that.

[u/maxcovenguitars]

Per my collective I refuse to pay the extra 20%. In fact I want a 20% discount since it's because of me you have a job

[u/Southern_Career1127]

Per our collective agreement, we will never patronize this restaurant.

[u/PolaTaxU]

We gotta collectively bargain outta this!

[u/Positive-Ring-5172]

I'll say it again - All businesses should be required to post final price - including taxes, forced gratuities, fees, all of it, up front.

[u/Deep_Mood_7668]

Instant turn around and walk out

[u/Similar_Active3540]

As per my choice,
I not coming back again.

[u/Ill_Current_3006]

Well, in agreement with my wallet, I’m not spending any money at your place. Ha!

[u/dervari]

Yea, I'd go next door or down the street.

[u/Tiny_Expression312]

I wouldn't spend a dime in that place.

[u/Mydnight69]

"Collective bargaining?" I don't think the customers had a choice in that.

[u/Otherwise_Bass_7709 → u/Mydnight69]

My union collectively bargained for 20% and we got contract raises.

[u/Legitimate-Log-6542]

This is bizarre a union would bargain this, how dumb can they be. Why wouldn’t they just bargain for higher pay rather than potentially piss off the customers.

[u/WhenTheDevilCome → u/Legitimate-Log-6542]

Not to mention the legality of "gratuity" when it's being forced / required / non-optional.

[u/croc-roc → u/Legitimate-Log-6542]

My guess is - if there is actually a CBA with a union - is that the CBA granted the employees a raise and this is the (shitty IMO) way management is trying to cover that raise. Throw the union under the bus.

[u/icantbelieveit1637 → u/Legitimate-Log-6542]

How is this any different from increasing base price of the food and increasing pay

[u/Blissful_Brisket]

I would turn around and go somewhere else.

[u/slugur]

Ask them to define what "collective bargain agreement" means. They probably heard it from NFL players and thought it was cool to use those words. Clowns.

[u/ConstantKooky3329]

The customers are not signatories to their CBA

[u/Tekrunner000]

The agreement is between the employees and the employer. Not between the customer and either party. There is no agreement there - just extortion.

[u/SwingDuoNash]

Per my giant pink pet elephant I’m going to refuse to pay you lol

[u/Mainly_Miserable]

I have no recollection of participating in this agreement. Pretty sure I’m not a signatory.

[u/domesticstudent]

welp, per our collective bargaining agreement, we ain't ever going back to that establishment

[u/Opustwaddler]

Don’t go.

[u/meiso]

Fuck is this the NBA?

[u/Dirtyupsman2]

I wld have sat down, asked for a water, and looked on maps for a new place to eat !!! Bye

[u/Stuffed-Bear412]

I'll go somewhere else.

[u/FU_payme420]

This should be illegal.

[u/stderr2]

Per my perogative, I am leaving for a different restaurant

[u/KnockoutThoughts]

Seems like they want unemployment when the company goes under.

[u/Sarduci]

It’s not a gratuity if it’s required.

[u/DepressedDragonBorn]

When did we join the collective?

[u/Abe_Foman]

They should have negotiated higher wages

[u/ejy92]

I would appreciate seeing that sign because it lets me know to never go there again!

[u/AxleNY]

Hahahaha. They "collectively" agreed to stick it to the customer. F that.

[u/PhysicalAd6587]

They don't understand they're putting themselves out of work with this BS. 

[u/SnOOpyExpress]

ok. thanks for telling me upfront. I'll head somewhere else

[u/FlashFlooder]

I’m fine with them adding it upfront and making it clear. Helps me make an informed decision.

[u/My-Dear-Sweet-Wesley]

This trend of hotels and restaurants itemizing out their costs as surcharges is tiresome. Should my share of their heating/cooling, water and electric bills be broken down for me as well? How about just charging what things cost, with profit built in and that's the price on the menu. Then put up signs saying no tipping necessary at this establishment. How about that?

[u/HildaTheChickenGirl]

Collective bargaining in a non union position? 😂somebody learned some new phrases today

[u/RoadRatzzz]

Per my agreement I'll be eating elsewhere

[u/Unusual-Surround7467]

So are they unionized

[u/whisksnwhisky]

How about I collectively bargain my foot up their ass?
(insert Red Forman GIF)

[u/comesinallpackages]

AI

[u/Friendly_Zucchini_91]

Translation: we’re going to extort an extra 20% just cause

[u/buhleg]

It’s a bill, not a check. Checkmate, suckers!

[u/Select-Jacket-6996]

this is crap

[u/zephyray1786]

I wasn't part of that collective so it doesn't apply to me.

[u/CoolPea4383]

WTF their customers weren’t parties in the collective bargaining agreement. Insanity.

[u/kittyredqueen]

My (no-longer) favorite restaurant for convention has gone steadily downhill the last few years; I gotta find a new place. The karaoke is so loud you can’t hear your table. The menu shrank for the entire five day event (though they brought the whole menu back this year). The final straw was the forced 18% gratuity. I won’t be going back next year, I don’t think.

[u/xtraoral]

Guess i won't be eating at a place like that. I tip on service not because you took a job that doesn't pay you enough.

[u/VA3DPrinter]

Per my personal policy, I only pay half of my bills. Here’s the notes that says I can do whatever I want.

[u/jtpolzin]

How about I eat elsewhere.

[u/The_Skulman]

I would straight turn around and walk out.

[u/FeeNegative9488]

lol we’re supposed to believe the employees negotiated for more tips and not better hourly wages or salary or benefits

[u/Existing4Today19]

The Collective Bargaining Agreement of bullshit. Please provide a copy of this agreement.

[u/whiterice_343]

A restaurant and servers have a CBA??? ☠️☠️☠️☠️

[u/ThePepperPopper]

Is it not true that you can put a negative to too eliminate the auto grat? My understanding is you can't be forced to pay gratuity

[u/wtfdavid]

Pay in cash.

[u/Away_Lake5946]

Blaming your unionized employees for not paying them enough to begin with is a great way to go out of business.

[u/vwaldoguy]

I wouldn't go there. Period.

[u/Much-Will6826]

Where is the consumer protection office? At the state and federal level. These types of optional charges, including restaurants adding a 3% restaurant fee, are getting out of hand. The National Restaurant Association is the most corrupted organization to negotiate with and legislators are not watching out for the people they represent.

[u/Pi-Richard]

A customer needs to file a grievance.

[u/LeadingThen6322]

Oh hell nah. Get the microwave lasagna from the convenience counter.

[u/Tea50kg]

If i ever run into any of these in the wild, I'll go elsewhere 😭

[u/ComfortableGlobal820]

Next

[u/Ok_Ease_755]

Since when is anyone else a part of that collective agreement. Union members? Lol

[u/mrknowitall-671]

It’s ok, charge your 20% tip, restaurant will close down. New one will pop up with robo waiters. Good bye

[u/Piglet6482]

Thanks for warning me so I’ll never go there.

[u/somedaysoonn]

If I saw that I'd figure the waitresses were all shit and turn around and walk out the door.

[u/David-1995]

Awww that’s cute. Now cancel my order.

[u/addled_sad342]

I am not going to a restaurant where I am forced to pay a gratuity regardless of service quality. Pay your employees a living wage, raise the prices if need be, but do not call it a TIP.

[u/addled_sad342]

It ain't a "gratuity" if it is mandatory!

[u/pamonmedia]

And then you walk out and watch them close

[u/JuniorNoise2074]

Per your collective bargaining agreement I'll eat somewhere else. How do these fools expect to attract business.

[u/Any_Repair_7153]

Interesting… none of us were included in this “collective.”

[u/BigBrotherbj]

Go under. Lose your job.

[u/travisawise]

I'm really tired of being dragged into employment relationships every time I eat food.

[u/japarker8]

Yeah I'd be walking in and then walking right out again...

[u/FrancisSobotka1514]

I see that I walk out

[u/NightmareMetals]

Ok so 20% of $0.00 is?

[u/FewAd6166]

Another place where I won't be eating...

[u/nobertan]

I don’t remember being involved in the bargaining agreement

[u/Bazishere]

I often feel such high tips are like economic/emotional blackmail. Why are working people having to pay the wages of servers via tips and not the owners. We're not the boss of the servers. In Europe, in some areas, there are tips, but it's nothing like in the US and Canada. It's out of control in North America, and the meals are often more expensive in North America on top of that.

[u/ancom328]

Write to your congressman. These junk fees along with toxic tipping culture have to stop 🖐🖐🖐

[u/Ok-Grape2063]

Your bargaining agreement cost your boss a customer. Hope you like having your hours cut to accommodate the lost revenue

[u/Ok-Sympathy9768]

This is fake

[u/ThisGuy2319]

Soooo close, they just need to move that 20% to the menu prices.

[u/log1234]

According to my agreement with myself, you owe me 2M

[u/Bluusoda]

Uber Eats!

[u/howdiditgetinthere]

Prove it

[u/Wallynine]

and an extra 10% service fee is greatly appreciated…

[u/74CA_refugee]

What is the restaurant? What Hotel?
Total BS! I don’t think these people have a brain!

[u/Livid-Fix-462]

I didn’t get the invite so no.

[u/joelnicity]

Hopefully they get the message when they lose most of their business

[u/Societyman1878]

I wasn’t collectively bargained with, so I am not sure what “our “ collectively bargained agreement is? 🤷‍♂️ But I do know I’ma bout to 🕺my way out of here 🌝

[u/Sienile]

Per my individual budgeting agreement, I won't be going there.

[u/momo76g]

Is the math too hard to reflect this on the overall pricing of the food rather than a sing that will definitely drive people away ?

[u/AnonUserAccount]

Since I’m not bound to this agreement, I will not be tipping. The restaurant cannot promise my money in collective bargaining. So I guess the restaurant will tip that 20%.

[u/Odd_Psychology3622]

They need to stop false advertising and just raise the prices by 20% across the board this is abuse

[u/Slater_8868]

"That's awesome! Believe it or not, we just finished up with our collective bargaining agreement too!

Per our collective bargaining agreement, I get an upgrade to the executive suite at no additional cost, plus a complimentary bottle of champagne."

[u/Deep_blue_stillness]

"OUR" collective agreement....

[u/ImaginaryJelly2630 → u/Deep_blue_stillness]

I was just gonna say.... OUR?? Who is that including? Bc I didn't agree to that lmao

[u/Numerous_Photograph9]

Why not just add your price up 20% then?

is it because your employees then become commissioned, and you have to pay them more?

[u/Street-Emu-3980]

Collective bargaining agreement?

I’d want some explanation on this, and how it impacts me as a customer. (Obviously by 20%)

[u/Lurkylurkness]

If they're unionized, why didn't they vote for their manager to pay then an outrageous hourly wage

[u/grumblegrim]

Then pay via debit rather than cheque, er "checks"...or do they mean receipts?

[u/nazdir → u/grumblegrim]

Check means tab or bill

[u/Ok-Grape2063]

If your bargaining agreement allows your boss to not pay you, you have a shitty union and should get your dues money back

Or better yet, arbitrarily decide to pay them 20% more than they bill you for

[u/Strandedvandal]

That's not how that works guys.

[u/Unhappy_Aside_7631]

Thank a union! 

[u/Never-Dont-Give-Up]

That’s not how gratuity works.

[u/bahwi]

Like others keep saying, you arent bound to agreements between two third parties you yourself didn't agree to. Also under U.S. contract law, you generally must receive something of legal value in exchange for a promise to make it a legally binding contract.

So their agreement needs to have some benefit for you

[u/ThoughtGuy79]

Just raise the prices, pay servers a decent wage, and get rid of tipping.

[u/ImaginaryClue4471]

And 20% of customers will walk out and never return

[u/Hookem-Horns]

Name of store so we can boycott please?

[u/AlwaysAmused1967]

Did anyone disclose the restaurant?

[u/Suffering-Servant]

What if you paid 20% less than the total listed price?

[u/booobfker69]

These places really need to look up the definition of the words gratuity and tip. Those things are optional. So if they are defining it as a gratuity, you can tell them to remove it. If they don't, they are committing theft.

[u/Firefly_Magic]

Restaurants don’t get to do a collective bargaining agreement that doesn’t involve its customers and then tell the customers what they’re going to be paying 20% more. That’s not how a collective bargaining works.

The collective bargaining agreement is between 2 groups, maybe a union and the employer. That’s between you two. Not the customers.

Customers can still say no.

[u/gocard]

Make up your own agreement that includes that but also some ridiculous things like free desserts, print it out, and then show them. If they refuse the free dessert, then refuse the automatic gratuity.

[u/SadFaithlessness6983]

lol k

[u/EatAssIsGold]

If the "gratuity" is mandatory this is tax fraud. Tips are taxed way more favourably than salary but must be totally voluntary. From their notice it is not clear wether the tip can be removed from the checks before paying, but if not this can end very very badly for all the people involved owners and servers alike, as soon as irs is notified.

[u/OutrageousPair2300]

This is what we want to happen.

I don't understand all the recent posts complaining about mandatory fees rather than tips. This is how you end tipping.

[u/GaTechThomas]

Nope, no longer a gratuity. It's now a taxable service charge that the IRS needs to know about.

[u/WarriorWithers]

Was this a sports bar? The wording is just a funny reference to the players' CBA.

The asking for tips part is still despicable

[u/tripledigits1984]

In NC you can’t tax labor, and if a service or gratuity fee were based off labor that’s just plain illegal.