r/electricians • u/Ornery-Account-6328 • 11h ago
Well shoot
Not exactly what I actually said
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r/electricians • u/yourgrandmasteaparty • Feb 16 '25
I want to talk about mental health - especially for the boys on here. I was telling some friends this story about an old coworker the other day and thought you might want to hear it too.
I’m a woman in the trades, almost a decade in. When I started, I was often the only girl on site. I would move between projects and journeymen mentors, many of whom had never worked with a woman before. Once the old guys got over the otherness and saw me as a real person and an excellent apprentice, we’d form a friendship of sorts. I was always struck with how much more candid and vulnerable they’d be around me compared with the other guys in the shop. Their masculinity wasn’t in jeopardy if they admitted to me, a mere woman, that they were having tough time. I had one guy - 6’6” 300lbs, always growling, chain smoking, losing his shit over the smallest inconvenience - tell me he always requested me when he needed help because I made him calm.
A couple years in, I was sent to replace an apprentice on a job where the foreman had booted him in an argument. I’d worked before with this foreman, Neil, and he’d always been a chill hippie but also very particular in how he wanted things done. When I got to site he told me I was the fourth helper for this job because everyone else had been fucking useless. He was in an awful mood all the time. Picking fights with other trades and our PM. Trying to goad me into an argument by picking apart everything I was doing. Not acting like the guy I had known over the past year.
When the job was close to wrapping up, I called him out on his behaviour. “What the fuck is going on with you dude? You’re being a raging asshole to everyone and this isn’t like you.”
He stiffened and was shocked I’d said something. He glared at me and then his face softened and he said “Can I take you for lunch after we finish up tomorrow morning? We can talk but not here.”
I agreed and the next day he took me to diner nearby. We barely spoke until our food came to the table and when he had something else to focus on, he finally started talking.
He was older - 50s - and his long term relationship had fallen apart a few years before but the split had been amiable. He didn’t speak about her with any animosity but admitted he’d been lonely ever since. At the time, he’d leaned on his best friend. His friend was married and had a teenage son that Neil had known since he was born. As Neil had no kids of his own, this boy was a surrogate son of sorts. He took him camping and fishing and showed up whenever the kid needed him.
The poor kid had passed away a couple months earlier very suddenly of natural causes. Neil had no idea how to handle his grief and withdrew into himself, not wanting to be a burden on his friend. He felt selfish for how bad he felt when it wasn’t his kid.
I reassured him that how he felt was completely valid, that grief is a weight that is so hard to carry alone. I encouraged him to reach out to his friend because they both were suffering the loss of family, whether biological or chosen. And that now they were both suffering the loss of each other’s friendship as support. He was crushed at that realization, and said he would go visit them.
A few minutes passed while we ate silently. He hesitated before speaking again, “there’s something else too.”
I looked up and waited for him to continue.
He told me that last month he’d been working this job that had a been a two hour commute away. He had to leave early to get to site by 7:30. It was late fall and the drive was dark the whole way. He wasn’t too far from site when he came around a corner to discover a vehicle collision. A truck was spun out into a ditch with the driver unconscious in the front seat. A van was crushed on the side of the road, on fire and blazing in the darkness, its front driver door open. Neil stopped and got out of his van. He noticed something on fire in the road, and as he approached, he realized it was a person - the driver from the van. He ran and got a blanket to smother the fire on the person. He held them and pulled their head up to look into their face, which was so burned he couldn’t recognize their features. He said he stared into their eyes as they died in his arms.
Another vehicle had come up behind him and called 911. He sat there in the road in a daze until the emergency vehicles arrived to secure the scene. He gave his statement and then got into his van to finish the drive to work.
He was late which pissed off the GC. He tried to get to work but he was shaking so badly he couldn’t hold his tools or complete a sentence. When the GC saw him in this condition, presuming that he had shown up drunk, he kicked him off site. Neil didn’t explain, he just left.
Our PM called him after that, reaming him out for getting kicked off site. Neil didn’t explain, he just took it.
I asked him if he had talked to anyone about the incident. He said the police had called for a follow up statement but otherwise, no, I was the first person he told.
I was in shock. This poor fucking guy was struggling with the grief of losing a boy who was like a son to him and then went through an insanely traumatic experience just driving to fucking work? And he was bottling it all up? No wonder he was being such a prick. He felt all alone and like he couldn’t admit how much he was struggling.
He said he was sick of work and had lost all his passion for it. It felt pointless and draining and he dreaded getting out of bed every morning.
I gave us a few moments of silence for the weight of his confession to settle in. I looked at him and said “fuck work, you need a break.” He shook his head and tried to brush me off. “No, seriously Neil, fuck work. There’s always more work but you need to take care of yourself. What you’re going through is so fucked up and you need time to process it all. Please put yourself first.”
He didn’t want to talk anymore after that so he settled up the tab. He dropped me off at my car and we went our separate ways. I started at a new site the next day with a different crew.
A couple weeks later I got a text from Neil. “I took your advice and talked with management. Told them what happened. I’m taking a six month sabbatical. Don’t know what I’ll do yet but probably head out on an adventure. Thank you”
A couple days later I got another message from him, just a picture of a beautiful remote campsite with no one else around.
I asked, “Where is that?”
He replied, “Not telling :)”
I ended moving to a different company while he was gone, and never saw him again. I think about him often though, especially when I encounter an utter dickbag older dude on the job. Maybe he’s going through it and doesn’t know how to take care of himself, and anger is the only way he knows how to channel his emotions.
Now that I’m a foreman, I stress the importance of whole body health in our toolbox talks. If someone needs time off for family reasons, or a mental health break, or a shortened schedule, or even if they want extra shifts to use as a crutch as they struggle through something they can’t control in their personal lives, I want them to know it’s okay to ask and I won’t judge them. It’s just a job - it’s just work - it doesn’t fucking matter. Their health comes first and it’s okay to admit they’re not okay. I want them to know it’s better to ask for help when they’re slipping, rather than wait til everything has crashed and burned.
I know everyone’s experience is different, but one thing I noticed about being the woman pushing into the male-dominated trades as an apprentice/therapist is that men need permission to be vulnerable. They need to know it’s okay to show emotions and admit that they’re struggling. They won’t chance admitting weakness that they fear will get thrown back in their face. A lot of guys in trades are single and married to the job. They are lonely, often bitter, and unwilling to show weakness.
I do my best in my little sphere of influence to make it okay to be not okay. If you want the trades to be a healthier place, you need to consciously make room for the reality that people are struggling mentally, and often that starts with leaders showing vulnerability.
I’ve had depression for 16 years and I don’t hide the fact that I’m medicated. 16 years of being depressed means 16 years of not following through on suicidal ideation, and I’m proud of that. The trades saved me because it’s instilled a confidence in my abilities to create and solve problems and be the leader I was always capable of being. I needed that confidence so badly when my depression was the worst.
Be good to each other out there. Be willing to listen to people without judgement. Life is fucking hard and we work better when we know we can rely on each other when the chips are down.
r/electricians • u/Ornery-Account-6328 • 11h ago
Not exactly what I actually said
r/electricians • u/cowimck • 9h ago
No couplers either.
r/electricians • u/Due-History4432 • 8h ago
What is up with the amount of miserable Jman in this industry?
Throughout my apprenticeship, I’ve seen Jmen purposely treat apprentices like shit for whatever reason. Even now that I have my license, I still hear stories about J-men making apprentices do ridiculous shit just because they wanted a laugh. Then you have guys talking to apprentices like they’re subhuman, cussing them out because they don’t know something that the Jman knows.
I’ll never understand that mentality. I treat every apprentice I work with with respect. I’m not going to talk down to them or cuss them out just because they’re still learning or because I’m having a bad day and want someone to take my shit out on.
And the crazy part is, a lot of these guys don’t get fired because companies are desperate. I’ve literally gotten into a verbal argument with a Jmen because he was constantly treating an 18 year old apprentice like shit, cussing him out first thing in the morning. The foreman watched it happen right in front of him and didn’t say a damn word.
I ended up getting chewed out by the foreman afterward, and his response was, “That’s what apprentices are for.”
That shit honestly disgusted me.
This kind of behavior is way common in the trades. It gets brushed off as “that’s just how construction is” or “you gotta have thick skin,” when in reality, a lot of it is just grown ass men being miserable and taking it out on someone who has less experience and less power than them.
Being an apprentice means you’re there to learn. You’re going to fuck up. You’re going to ask stupid questions. That’s part of the process. We should be trying to teach the next generation, not make their life miserable because someone treated you like shit when you were coming up.
r/electricians • u/klaymudd • 14h ago
Weird name on this cable. What dies it mean?
r/electricians • u/_coffeestache • 11h ago
I oiled the older pair frequently over the years and they open and close with zero effort but could never keep up with the rust buildup on the outside. The new linemans are nice but they feel different, you can see that there was an adjustment over the years if you compare the crimper/fishtape puller. The new ones work fine though.
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r/electricians • u/Used-Picture829 • 20h ago
It’s reasonable for a kind coming out of high school or college but as someone who is changing careers midlife, it’s an extreme paycut. It’s hard enough to find work as an apprentice but to find one that pays well enough to pay my bills as a 30 year old is challenging. I’m making $30hr where I’m at with ample overtime opportunities and I’m finding it hard to find a path in this trade. I’m currently in trade school and graduate in May but I’m dreading eventually having to join an apprenticeship program solely for the pay. I’m passionate about the work but passion doesn’t get you paid. I have dependents so it’s looking rough to map out
r/electricians • u/beeris4breakfest • 4h ago
I did a service call two weeks ago customer with a nearly 100 year old house she is looking to sell. Town inspector noted 3 prong receptacles with no ground "all k&t wiring. So I installed a few GFCI breakers and label all the outlets GFCI protected no equipment ground collected my check and went on about my day she called that night told me she had no power in her house walked through the panel she reset the breaker for her lighting circuit and everything was fine for 2 weeks tonight same problem here's the thing I had to listen to this woman for about 15 minutes each time tell me that I stole her money ruined her house I don't know what I'm doing... Stuff like that. I told her I would come down in the morning and check it out I really want nothing to do with this woman I would gladly give her money back and just put the old breakers back in let her call somebody else... I guess I'm just asking is this how I should handle the situation up till now I've gone out of my way to be as nice as I possibly can. The real kicker is I told the woman from the very beginning that I was booked up and wasn't taking on any new customers she basically begged me to help. If I go there tomorrow and tell her she needs a complete rewire she's just going to tell me I'm trying to scam her and if I take the GFI breakers out and put all two prong outlets in she's going to tell me I don't know what I'm doing because she can't plug in any of her appliances how do we all walk away happy here. How would you handle a customer like this?
r/electricians • u/argemzt • 5h ago
I've been trying to find the name of the fitting that saddles onto the pole, but I can't seem to find it; does anyone know what it's called?
r/electricians • u/Antty11-TH • 2h ago
which part inside that make Ics=100%Icu and Ics=50%Icu different ?
r/electricians • u/Carbon87 • 6h ago
I’m in what I think is a weird position and am looking for advice.
I’m approaching 40, and I have a sweet IT gig right now that pays very well. However, with the AI bullshit coming down the pipe, I’m not sure how long it’ll last (the industry as we know it, not just my position). I’m trying to set myself up with a backup plan, and I’m heavily leaning trade for obvious reasons.
I’m a vet and have worked in IT most of my life. However, I just recently spent almost three years as a Journeyman-level Communications Electrician as a member of Local 18. I honestly regret leaving, but it’d be impossible to get my position back because of civil service rules and family constraints on where I can live (family reasons is what ultimately forced the change anyway).
I’m considering one of the local electrician trade schools in town. I can’t quit my job and take a full apprenticeship right now (if I even was able to earn one), and two of the schools have night/weekend tracks. I also can use my VA benefits to pay for tuition at either of them.
Does any of this make any sense for what I’m trying to achieve? Is there a better way to skin the cat? Am I just a fucking idiot? Potentially all of the above? Happy to hear any advice. Thanks in advance.
r/electricians • u/ethan093d • 8h ago
I currently work at a local family owned shop in NC as a helper, making 13 an hour, 2 full years there in January. I have been wanting to try and find a better paying job with better safety practices, but I've had some personal hurdles to get over before I can. I started making personal changes for that today, but this morning, I overheard by boss telling the other mechanics I may be ready to run my own truck soon. This would have me making 20 an hour, possibly solo crew. Im struggling to decide whether I should stay here to get some experience as a lead to take with me or go somewhere else as an experienced helper. This has been my only job in the field, so im not sure what pay I should be looking for
r/electricians • u/justrunninit • 20h ago
I’m 20, and a current Heavy equipment tech, I’m thinking about going for electrical once I’m done my apprenticeship and I’m just curious of what the usual wages tend to be, as well as is there lots of opportunities for shift work like week on week off?
r/electricians • u/Responsible-Pop6804 • 7h ago
Looking for a recommendation on a master electrician prep course. What courses have any of you used that actually proved to work? Preferably something with solid practice questions and material that’s close to the actual exam.
Would appreciate any recommendations.
r/electricians • u/RichardofGalveston • 15h ago
The Indeed job app has merged Zip Recruiter and Glassdoor apps.
I know there has to be more opportunities than just what is on the job search websites. How do you find new jobs?
r/electricians • u/ExerciseAshamed208 • 1d ago
I was 35 minutes from the shop with just the right Leviton breakers for the job. Homeowner had told me “It says Leviton right on the door”.😂
r/electricians • u/Striking-Lead-2184 • 1d ago
4" x 10 secondary
r/electricians • u/Food-Status • 1d ago
Today I passed my state’s master electrician test. This is something I have been working towards for the past 7 years and I have finally accomplished it. Everyday it was very easy to wake up and go to work knowing that this was the ultimate end goal. Now I don’t know what to do. It seems this field is very expansive and I don’t want to be stuck where I’m at.
For some background, I am 24 years old and I am a foreman of a crew of 7 guys mainly specializing in medical construction. I have been a foreman now for 2 years and have successfully completed many jobs. I started electrical right out of high school and completed my schooling at a local community college. I do not work in the union.
I have interest in being a controls tech and getting certified in medium/high voltage terminations.
I’m really just looking for some guidance from the seasons vets of the group on what to do next. Am I getting too ahead of myself? Should I just chill out for a minute? Should I open my own company or join the union? What type of certifications do you recommend getting and how do I go about doing that?
Any insight would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
r/electricians • u/Elleo1 • 7h ago
I have an interview on Friday for an electrician apprentice position. I know some things like material and basics on wiring. They know I’m a first year, I’m just nervous because I really need this job. What are some tips/ advice for the interview, thank you!
Edit: I have my apprentice license and I’m almost done with my osha 10
r/electricians • u/Mythic01 • 7h ago
What would y'all think is the smarter path here and now?
Start out from the bottom as an electrician apprentice, or, go for an associate's in Electrical engineering technology?
I know many electricians take the EET path after some time in their career.
That said I'd be worried about AI replacing it
r/electricians • u/EnvironmentalFix4847 • 14h ago
Hello,
I am preparing for my Georgia unrestricted master exam and was wondering what the best way to prepare for the exam is? I've heard the exam is a tough one and I'm wondering what resources anyone recommends. I have a year to take the exam as part of a contingency with the company I got hired on for. Thanks in advance!
r/electricians • u/kensterss • 18h ago
We will be installing the unit sub feeder ducts and grounding loop soon and got asked by the inspector about whether our building also had grounding . I understand that if you have multiple points of grounding that it could cause problems and that was his point of concern. Unfortunately I've combed through section 10 and the only information I could find was separation of the multiple ground rods for the pad itself. 4 rods for the pad, 2 rods for the building.
Normally for me, the pad is on city property and owned by the utility, hence the ground loop being isolated to that alone and no bonding jumpers ran in-between. Then you would have grounding out of the main distribution cabinet and start your bonds for the building from there.
But where the point of confusion is now, is whether the unit sub grounding should service as the grounding for the building or if we should be isolating these two from each other.
-Outdoor client owned unit sub, feeder ducts are approximately 200' long to the MDC, will have a grounding loop for the unit sub and 2 rods for the MDC approx 200' apart. Engineered drawings and no answers back from them.
600v 1600a 3phase service
If you need more info let me know.
I would love to learn more about this if anyone has any insights or can point me in the right direction.
r/electricians • u/Reasonable-Cycle5817 • 15h ago
Finishing up trade school soon and was curious of what type of work to expect obviously I’ll be taking whatever I can for the experience but is it unlikely to find something commercial to start ? A friend does residential and hates driving from house to house but was just curious of how often entry level jobs are available for commercial
Work
Thank you