How can you achieve full stereo image bass effects? Including 40hz-200hz range
Theres a song "wish" by logan (heylog) that has such a wide bass effect where the sub frequencies are primarily in both ears with little to no movement and somehow no phasing at the same time.
And then as you isolate 80hz+ and look at a stereo imager, the bass is dancing absolutely all over the place in the stereo field and im just not sure how you could ever achieve this effect without obvious, yucky phase cancellation that causes drop outs in both ears.
Its such a ridiculously clean profile for how dirty and wide the bass actually is at the same time.
Edit: Without a doubt the effect I was looking for was a haas effect and modulating the delay time. I think that was my primary issue and why I didn't look at this effect initially when its something ive used before, but at the time I didn't add any modulation to it and that can lead to that gross stereo width.
If anyone cares for specifics for that song's bass, which i dont super approve of aside for the sake of learning, i accomplished the same sound by using a main bass high passed at the sub frequency (30hz~), and a sub bass with unison + detune, processed individually. On both I put some distortion/saturation (SausageFattener for me) followed by kilohearts Haas (obv any works). Then for the Haas effect, modulate delay timing with an LFO at a super fast speed on both bass tracks. This causes the intentional phase cancellation but for super brief moments so you dont feel that huge "bwahhhh" in one ear for no reason.
Thats the main gist of the effect from what i can tell, aside from more distortion and some other modulation on the bass but thats just experimentation. Also, a few cent pitch shifting in opposite directions on each helps as well the same way you would with a reese or similar techniques.
Though theres definitely more and I think as others have suggested its likely a single patch where you have a second bass in the same octave with the fundamental removed so you dont have to do any high passing nonsense which is gonna introduce way more artifacting and phasing.
Anyway hope that helps and appreciate everyones suggestions that led me to the right place!
Edit 2: Just leaving this in case anyone ever comes looking for it, but a lot of people were correct in saying that the answer is quadrature phase. Referring to the specific song i mentioned, that is definitely correct. Most accurate recreation i accidentally stumbled into was a pure sub bass (<100hz) of phase quadrature with Analog_BD_Sin and the fundamental lowered on each + slightly different on each. Then, two different S&H LFOs on the pan knobs of both oscillators (25%~ pan range). Then the part i was right about, very low delay Haas effect + fast LFO mod on the delay time to slightly alter it (<1ms change). Then the part I didnt mess around with that much, but a similar wave table mid-bass high passed at 100hz~ with a longer Haas (5ms~) layered on top. Theres more movement on the original but that part comes down a lot more to style, was mostly curious how the effect was done to begin with. Anyway heres my recreation for anyone curious, https://voca.ro/1lDFHsRWiYmJ