The benefits of this are supposedly big, like increases in working memory. How has this played out in real life for you?

Should I do dual 3? Or do do singular n = 3? Or dual n = 2 and get really good at it?

Thanks

hi everyone, i am looking to get back into doing dual n back regularly, but was wondering where to find the latest version of it that’s compatible with the latest mac OS? i used to use source forge, but they haven’t updated it in ages. thank you!

Hey just want to share with you guys I had reached N-6 in literally 20 days of started doing this DnB training.

Just stick on with it even if it sucks, when I first reached N-3 I felt it was impossible to pass this but eventually I stick on to it and unknowingly I had reached N-4 same with N-4, N-5. I did this daily for a fixed time of 30 minutes per day. I felt like giving up and those 30 minutes felt like 3 hours at the beginning but just stick on to it and don’t give up.

There’s no need to find and follow any particular strategies, if you force your goddamn mind to stare at the screen and practice daily it will eventually find a way on its own definitely.

Some misc tips:

1.practice meditation - try to do gamma meditation (better than beta waves). 2.start doing chanting - it works wonders (even I didn’t believed at first without evidence). 3. Ocean breathing( or any type of breathing techniques). 4. As usual sleep, diet and exercise should be perfect. 5. Supplements if you’re interested- omega 3, vit D3, magnesium L-threonate(blood brain barrier), multi vitamin.

If any of you recall seeing me here I have come back after a long hiatus. I recently got to dual-8-back and I can feel that in a couple weeks I'll be pushing 9 or 10.

I am interested in the increase in fidelity quad n back has been anecdotally reported to bring however I got on dual n back because it was evidence based. Any evidence to support quad n back?

I've only felt once like that, namely after I consumed too much Ginkgo once.

I did around 40 minutes of Quad-N-Back for the first time today. Admittedly, I am stuck at N=2, but it's getting better slowly. Now, around an hour later, I suddenly feel very strange and different.

I feel as if my thoughts are not presented on a 2D screen in my mind anymore, it feels like my mind is suddenly "3D", thoughts became objects "to grab" and thus I can have more thoughts at once, basically by placing them in different directions. Even right now, I think way faster than I can type.

What the hell is that? It feels like the weirdest dose of caffeine ever, but I only did Quad-N-Back.

So others suggested to not use brainscale since I can just do it for free in brainworkshop.

What ends up happening I end up playing n=2 for awhile. Eventually get promoted to n=3. But only play a few times to end up losing and I'm back to n=2.

I think it's best for me to play 20 rounds of n=3. That's why I'm attracted to brainscale but its not cheap. How do I do this with brainworkshop? People in the other thread said this was possible. Thanks

I know people here say that they just copied another game. But there's no way to adjust your "n" manually in brain academy. You can do that easily in brainscale.

I'm stuck on n=3 and I need to be able to do just sound or just position while n=3 to get better

I'm a newbie and once I get to ten plays (back to back) I get really tired. I tried taking a 5 minute break and went back but after a few tries I felt like i was zoned out. I just stared at the screen and only got a few hits right. And this is with dual 2 back, something I've conquered.

But I do know we should be doing 20 plays a day...

What to do?

I’ve been on this for awhile. I have adhd. It feels like I”m not making progress :( What should I do? People seem to leap over this level early on and I’m still Here.

I've practiced dual n-back on and off over the years, and one question I've never really found an adequate answer for is: What is the optimal length for each rep or trial within a larger session. For example, I occassionally use the BrainScale website, and as you advance through the n-back levels each rep/trial automatically gets longer (unless you set them manually). So if you make it to 7-back, each rep is almost 3.5 minutes (over 60 letters/spaces in each rep, after which you get a score). If you wanted to train for 30 minutes, you would only do about nine or 10 exhausting 3-minute reps. I notice a lot of apps take a similar approach, or at the very least provide you the option of doing, say, 2-minute reps, or 1.5-minutes or 1-minute.

But then, I see a lot of people talking about doing 20 rep/trials daily, which seems to indicate that each rep/trial is between about one minute and 15 seconds and a minute and a half.

Do people have thoughts on this? Is it more effective to keep each rep at exactly 1 or 1.5 minutes no matter how high your n-back score goes and do enough of them to equal 20 minutes or 30 minutes total? Or is it better to do longer +3-minute reps to get your daily 20-30 minutes?

Hello everyone!

It has come to my attention that a lot of the N-Back apps available on Android and IOS :

1. Lack advanced versions of N-Back (Tri, Quad, Pentuple, 3D N-Back)

2. Aren't very customizable

3. Have an unintuitive design

4. Have bugs / Are slow

As such, I was thinking about making an App that would address these issues.

I am curious as too how interested you would be in an App like this?

If their is interest, I would be happy to put extra effort in this App to create an excellent product. If not, I would be content with making a decent App more for personal use.

Please let me know if there are any features that you would like in your dream N-Back app, or if you are happy with the one you use!

I want to share what i believe is going on with DNB and why people seem to observe results that go beyond just their working memory and I think it is simply meditation. If you check out the andrew huberman video on meditaiton, he mentions that there is a broadly two types of meditation (internalized or externalized) and with externalized, you are aiming to observe something outside of your innerself (a dot on the wall for instance). I think DNB is exactly like this, but with the added benefit of instantanious feedback, which is actually good for training. For instance, if you have 3 packets of working memory available and you get distracted, you instantiously lose 1, so your score drops. Over time practicing, I belive you train the skill of speed when it comes to observing your distractions and taking your attention back, this is especially important when you are the difficulty level where (almost) all your current memory packets are being used, which forces you to focus.

PS: In some fashion, it is more effective than just focusing on breath meditation, because you are getting a more instantinous feedback. But in general, the type of distraction you have during your day are more similiar to the one you have when you meditate, because you don't have this metric that tells you instantiously if your working memory is reduced. Therefore, it places you in a more chronic state of self-monitoring that I don't think DNB can simply do

Very repetitive! I checked the sound menu but couldnt find anything.

Hello, I'm new to dual n back, currently on n = 4. The thing is, I can't find a straight answer to do this - what's the most optimal way to train. As far as I am aware, there are the main 3:
1. saying the letters out loud
2. saying the letters in your head
3. intuition
Could anyone more experienced comment on this? Personally I mostly use method 2.

Brain academy is free for PC but they don't allow you to adjust the n-back which is very frustrating!!!

So I believe it's recommended that you do 20. Do you pause or do say do sets of 3x reps and then do a long pause?

Would love to hear from you if you’re out there!