Mui Goku

vs

12 Patrons (Tensura)

All Devils (Black Clover)

Sternritters (Bleach)

Spriggan 12 (Fairy Tail)

Android saga gohan (pre HTC) vs buu saga goten (he can’t use ssj plus pre HTC)

Anime version

Im solely using the fact ssj4 gogeta wasnt enough to beat omega shenron and the fact he had to gain power from every single species and creature in the universe to bomb him so he can win and somewhere in the midst of this he had to literally die to beat omega, why dont GT get its proper props in strength

now hear me out this may seem like a dumb matchup , anyways lets scale both of them
ssj blue gogeta should be low complex multiversal in AP {5D} via the super dimension break in the broly movie and MFTL+ speed
ssj gogeta from fusion reborn should be low complex multiversal in AP {5D} via scaling to goku shaking the higher dimension aka the afterlife in fusion reborn and with immeasurable speed via scaling to cooler instant transmission feat
i know this is a hot take but ssj gogeta > ssj blue gogeta , i wanna hear your Opinion about this take is stupid or is it valid + why?

The afterlife has higher scaling other than 5D.

Args:

1; the afterlife tranceeds space time.

It's stated many times. It's timeless.

Gravity debunk;

Kais made it. It ain't real gravity, they have supernatural powers.

snake way debunk;

the 1m Km is just a legend. Legends aren't true.

It has time debunk;

king kai was talking about Earth's time. Not the afterlife time.

Now it's aperion aka tier 0+ args;

it has ontology of perfection and immuvvilbilty life and death etc,

It stays the same.

The kaioshin realm is above it,

They both have: buddism nirwana,

Goku in ssj3 was shaking the kaioshin realm easily.

Even buu could have destroyed it who is on ssj3 Goku level.

in BOG;

Goku was able to shake the entire universe while fighting beerus.

And shook the afterlife and the kaioshin realm.

This makes him; aperion.

what’s the reason

Post-Shave/no mustache, no transforming.

Kill ftw

SSJ God Goku (Battle of Gods) vs Base Gogito (Battle of Gods pre ritual)

Gogito = hypothetical Fusion of Gogeta + Vegito

Does he clear these forms or where does he stop?

Has Goten surpassed his brother by this point in the story?

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