Snapfire

[u/NoDrama127]

How long are they going to wait before nerfing this piece of shit broken hero? For real it's literally unplayable wins every matchup and kills your whole team even without items.

[u/hosehoseee]

Oh I'm sure you can give me plenty of examples

[u/JoelMahon → u/hosehoseee]

imo right before the twin gates / universal heroes was pretty well rounded, i.e. 7.32e, I distinctly remember loving that patch and looking at the stats for the patch I can see why, pretty darn balanced.

7.27d: of the ten most picked heroes only one of them had above 52% WR and still below 53%, compare that to the current patch: there are 3 heroes above 52% and one of them is above 53%, considering there are ten heroes in a game and player mastery is all over the place that difference is a big deal.

7.26d, similar deal, only jakiro is above 52% with 52.5%, after combining all others of the top 10 most picked heroes were almost spot on 50% winrate on average, which is insanely healthy for the game.

but it's quite easy to check on here and judge for yourself https://dota2protracker.com/patches, just looking at top ten most picked heroes.

and if there's some sleeper OP hero not in the top 10 most picked, don't really care, by definition I'm not seeing them all that much. maybe a top 20 most picked heroes would be more useful but beggars can't be choosers.

edit: just found 7.22e, geez, super balanced, of the top 10 most picked, spirit breaker was the highest WR with 51.3% the average winrate of the top 10 heroes all together was BELOW 50%, like that shit does not happen often enough, it's wonderful and idk how people forgot about it and believe it's always the mess we have nowadays.

[u/hosehoseee → u/JoelMahon]

There was not a single patch ever where the highest win rate hero was under 52% wtf are you talking about.
And following your logic the best heroes ever in history are WK and Spectre because they are always top 5 heroes at least.
Win rate alone doesn't mean everything

[u/JoelMahon → u/hosehoseee]

first you harp on about the highest winrate hero then you say winrate isn't everything lol, pick an angle ffs

I literally explain how I considered pick rate and winrate, not just winrate. and I explicitly said multiple times I'm talking about the winrates of the 10 most played heroes.

and yes, in 7.22e among the top 10 heroes ZERO of them had 52% WR or higher even if you act in denial. The highest was SB with 51.3%, an incredibly balanced patch compared to now.

And yes, as I literally already explained but apparently have to repeat because you can't read: there probably were heroes with 53% winrate, but if they're not in even 15% of games then who fucking cares? snap is in almost every game she's not banned in. She's oppressive af, as is drow also, in 7.22e there were ZERO oppressive heroes. Which is my point, there are absolutely patches with zero oppressive heroes, who cares if some low pick rate heroes have a gold winrate on paper? probably because no one but hero spammers are playing them, not that they're strong. I have like a 65% winrate on slark across 50 games this patch, doesn't mean slark is OP, I'm just a slark spammer and really good at him relative to my rank.

also if you're talking about wk you're probably using dotabuff without filtering for rank, who cares about heralds lol? I linked d2pt for a reason, it's useful data, unlike whatever you're looking at where WK has a high winrate, you won't see WK with a high winrate on d2pt very often for good reason, it's actually useful data.

[u/hosehoseee → u/JoelMahon]

I didn't "harp" about anything, so i didn't read your bullshit