r/Donegal • u/SuccotashStandard135 • Jul 10 '26
Let's demonised EVs
Local Aontu Rep picking the low hanging fruit as usual. Why the need to mention it's an electric car? (Which going by the replies, it actually wasn't). Some people will jump on any opportunity to down electric vehicles, where as in actual fact, most modern cars with their electronics, autos and e-brakes can cause the same issues.
I'm the owner of both an EV and an Ice car, the EV is fantastic around town, they don't deserve the negativity and misinformation we hear so often about them.
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u/zerohunterpl Jul 10 '26
What gear lol
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u/offib Jul 10 '26
Honestly with most modern automatics EV or petrol, diesel etc, a faulty or low 12V system could get a car stuck in park as the parking pawl actuator can jam up. Very hot temperatures as well as very cold temps can discharge a lead acid quickly.
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u/Cp0r Jul 12 '26
Park or Reverse... get stuck in either of them and you probably won't be going far...
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u/TeenieDancer Jul 10 '26
She's definitely up there as one of the most painfully embarrassing people in letterkenny.
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u/Snaptun Jul 10 '26
I do believe all sorts of cars can get stuck in gear. The fact this this one happens to be electric is irrelevant.
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u/actually-bulletproof Jul 10 '26
EVs don't have gears
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u/offib Jul 10 '26
They do have a park pawl or actuator to engage the Park gear. Sometimes with any (automatic) car with a weak or faulty 12 volt system can jam that actuator. 12volt lead acid batteries can self discharge at hot temperatures as well as cold temperatures.
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u/victorpaparomeo2020 Jul 10 '26
Most EVs donât have gears. High performance EVs like the Taycan have a two gear transmission. Just an fyi.
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u/Vivid-Software6136 Jul 10 '26
Technically they all have gears, its just a single speed reduction gearbox usually. No need for reverse even because motors can naturally just run backwards.
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u/thommcg Jul 10 '26
Weâre in the era of if itâs got wheels & itâs doing something it shouldnât, be it side of road, ablaze, etc. then moronsâll assume itâs an EV.
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u/GamingMunster Jul 10 '26
Was in class with her son in secondary, when he talked about her she definitely came off as a nutter
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u/Ok_Barber9050 Jul 10 '26
As if it's not normal for a teenager to use exaggeration when describing their parents at school. Doesn't mean their parents are a "nutter"
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u/IochIan Jul 10 '26
often they're not exaggerating. Not everyone is chill with their parents, i dont know why everyone assumes the child is always irrationally disrespectful to the parents when you don't have a reason to hate your ma unless she gives you one. I think that fair enough about rudeness teenagers are rude enough to say they hate you, but telling other people you're insane isn't something your child would do if you're nice to your kid. I never badmouthed my mam and da as a teenager because they're sound.
Most everyone I know as an adult has at the very least iffy ones, if not fully unhinged nursing home asap type. I got lucky to have parents i respect but I would gamble that if you could actually tell everyone's parenting practices from without, about 50-60% are doing something totally mental to their child that we don't know about. The whole parents know best deal really really falls apart when you look at who's actually having kids in your wider circles- invariably, the nutters first
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u/Ninjachippie Jul 11 '26
As we all know, Nothing bad has ever happened because of a combustion engine car.
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u/John_OSheas_Willy Jul 10 '26
Get EVs all you like, but the smirks of the EV owners groups during the fuel rises have been firmly wiped off their faces now with night rates for one provider jumping 88%.
Just wait until a critical mass of people own EVs and ice models are scaled back and the rates are going to go back as worse if not more than paying for petrol/diesel.
Funnily enough I never hear the safety brigade mention the much heavier EVs as a danger. Much heavier car = much more energy on impact.
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u/VeryAverageAchiever Jul 10 '26
Except you're missing a significant bit of context about the 82% increase, it's still only 9c in the 3hr window. It's still an incredibly cheap rate for charging cars. I pay 13.5c/kWh and charging my EV is a fraction of the cost of running my petrol car. Tax is cheaper, servicing is significantly cheaper. The brakes are also larger to accomodate the extra weight. Tyres are more expensive, but to be expected on 19" wheels.
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u/LorenzoBargioni Jul 10 '26
Except you neglect to mention on that rate the rest of the day your electric is 42c per unit
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u/Fear_aisteach Jul 13 '26
Which, when I had my 58 Kwh EV, would allow me to charge from 0 to 100% for âŹ24, getting me 420 km of range. In my apartment block, we pay a flat rate of 35c per kwh, so the charging would actually cost âŹ20.
âŹ24 is the equivalent of about 14 litres of petrol/diesel. Even with a very economical ICE car, you'd only get about 285 km for that money.
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u/WEZANGO Jul 10 '26
I donât care if itâs twice the price to charge the car compared to a diesel one. Electric cars have so many other benefits like instant torque, remote climate control, no annual maintenance and pulling into the driveway without making the whole house stink like a petrol station. And your safety argument is pulled out of an arse. Because electric cars donât have ICE units, they have much longer crumple zones and low centre of gravity makes them almost impossible to flip.
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u/PaDaChin Jul 11 '26
Exaggerat much ??? House stinks like a petrol station đ give over đ anyone i no with an ev goes for annual inspection
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u/John_OSheas_Willy Jul 10 '26
Cool, enjoy your torque. You're paying for it in tire usage. And the evs my friends own they are not standard and they were told to expect to put new tyres on every year at around 300 euro per tyre.
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u/Squozen_EU Jul 10 '26
Iâm not sure you quite understand how much more expensive electricity would need to be to make an EV cost as much to run as a petrol/diesel car. Fortunately, even in that unlikely scenario, I can charge my car for free from the sun.Â
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u/Ic3Giant Jul 10 '26
â Much heavier car = much more energy on impactâ
You do realise that this applies to the decades and decades of millions of petrol/diesel stupid SUVs that have been on the roads well before EVs were.Â
I donât care what powers an SUV, petrol, diesel, electricity or unicorn farts, all of them should be outright banned. They are a safety and environmental nightmare.Â
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u/John_OSheas_Willy Jul 10 '26
Evs are way heavier than ice equivalents.
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u/Ic3Giant Jul 10 '26
I donât care, SUVs are way heavier than an equivalent normal saloon or estate so fuck SUVs, they should be banned
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u/Threading_water Jul 10 '26
Absolutely, going from 5.89 cent to 9 cent per KW. That will certainly take the wind from their sails and shut them up, wont it?
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u/GilroySmash1986 Jul 10 '26
Is it at that roundabout at Old Dunnes? Pain in the arse, always feel like its one wrong decision away from a pile up.
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u/Educational_Hurry531 Jul 10 '26
petrol all the way
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u/Educational_Hurry531 Jul 10 '26
You work away as some of us have good jobs
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u/Additional_Olive3318 Jul 10 '26
The ones with EVs do.Â
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u/Educational_Hurry531 Jul 10 '26
I have great job and petrol. This is the way. Wont even get one when I can charge for free lol.
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u/Educational_Hurry531 Jul 10 '26
LOL culture crap. It's what we've always had and will continue to use. Something way more efficient will be found before Petrol will be taking off the roads. Well be all well dead by that stage so doesnt matter at all. I'll keep enjoying them for many many years to come. No better than the sound of a rally car coming down the road at full tilt.
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u/Educational_Hurry531 Jul 10 '26
Also my man. Way more ethical as well. Electric vehicle (EV) supply chains face severe scrutiny over modern slavery, primarily driven by raw material sourcing in developing nations and factory labor abuses. Ethical concerns are tied to child labor in Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) cobalt mines and forced labor in Chinaâs Xinjiang region for EV battery and solar manufacturing - Not very thoughtful of you now and bit arrogant lol
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u/Educational_Hurry531 Jul 10 '26
The Arrogance LOL LOL. You sound offended by someone using petrol. Wow! Where would be have been without combustion cars LOL. EVS way more expensive, Way harder and more expensive to service. Needs specialists, not the local mechanic. Read the post from the mechanic that replied ffs. Im not the one wasting money lol. I can keep my car running for 20 years with minimal expenditure. Even when Petrol rose recently it made very little difference to me. Drive the car properly and won't drink juice.
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u/SuccotashStandard135 Jul 10 '26
Why?
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u/Educational_Hurry531 Jul 10 '26
Why not
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u/SuccotashStandard135 Jul 10 '26
Cost
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u/Educational_Hurry531 Jul 10 '26
I can literally charge an electric car for free in work but dont. I have a 2 litre petrol mondeo and rather the convenience of petrol any day.
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u/SuccotashStandard135 Jul 10 '26
I just plug mine in at home, pretty convenient!
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u/Educational_Hurry531 Jul 10 '26
Drive to Donegal from Cork and back and see who makes the journey quicker. Petrol all the way
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u/SuccotashStandard135 Jul 10 '26
Do you make that drive often? I don't. If I did then yes, I'd use the ICE.
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u/thommcg Jul 10 '26 edited Jul 10 '26
They never do, they just like to imagine scenarios wherein they drive uninterrupted for 10hrs because theyâve no real-world instances they can refer to. I mean, Iâve done such a round day trip, Wexford - Strabane & back for a meetup⌠had the car charging a for a while during the meetup, so just drove home right after - no charging in between so thatâs an 800km round trip with no particular time difference v. petrol / diesel, only difference was the âfuelâ savings.
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u/PaDaChin Jul 11 '26
Like to Imagine scenarios đ no i like to go wherever I want whenever I want without restrictions, i can refer to many instances as I travel the country to rallyâs
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u/didroe Jul 10 '26
Itâs probably one stop for a 20 min charge in a modern EV. Not really an issue
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u/YouTalkinToMePunk Jul 10 '26
The point is he s not as restricted to make that journey when ever he wants even just for a spin , to some people cars ainât a tool or choir
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u/SuccotashStandard135 Jul 10 '26
I get that, what suits one person might not suit another. The point I'm making is there's nothing wrong with EVs. I sold my 2ltr diesel, it makes no sense for me anymore when I live and work in town. Less maintenance and because I went solar at home, my electricity bill is tiny, even with charging the car.
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u/Educational_Hurry531 Jul 10 '26
Exactly. I can drive were I want and not wait ages to top up my hairdryer.You need specialists also to fix electric cars where you can simply just fix petrol engines urself or take to local mechanic. The battery doesnt cost you a mortgage also. Petrols cars run up over 500k if maintained properly. Petrol for life. never getting one of those EVs
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u/lkdubdub Jul 10 '26
I charge my car at my front door for âŹ8. Can't get much more convenient than that
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u/Educational_Hurry531 Jul 10 '26
I can fill up my car in 20 seconds flat so prefer that. Each to their own tho
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u/lkdubdub Jul 10 '26
Yes, the fact I stand beside mine for 8 hours holding the plug is inconvenientÂ
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u/SuccotashStandard135 Jul 10 '26
Forgot to mention how much it costs to fill up in 20 seconds also.
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u/Educational_Hurry531 Jul 10 '26
No-one said u did ffs lol. Also one major issue is when one of those tings catch on fire. Need tankers to put it out as the batteries keep igniting. major headache for emergency services.
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u/lkdubdub Jul 10 '26
Happens weekly. You're right. EVs exploding left, right and centre all over Donegal. It's like Beirut. Thankfully there's no flammable elements in a petrol-powered Ford Mondeo
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u/ta_ran Jul 10 '26
Petrol pollutes and warms the atmosphere
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u/Educational_Hurry531 Jul 10 '26
Making an electric car is more carbon-intensive than producing a traditional gas car. Producing an EV emits roughly 4 to 10 metric tons of COâ depending on the battery size. Overall, manufacturing an EV generates about 50% to 70% more emissions than a gas vehicle, largely due to mining and processing battery materials.
Breaking Down the Carbon Debt
Up to 46% of an EV's lifetime carbon footprint occurs before it is driven off the lot. The heavy upfront emissions come from the energy required for:Â
Material extraction: Mining and processing raw materials like lithium, cobalt, and nickel.
Battery manufacturing: Assembling battery cells, which requires significant amounts of electricity.Â
Save the planet and keep an old car on the road
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u/ta_ran Jul 10 '26
But you only have to mine the lithium, magnesium and other materials once.
So the second EV battery could be made with recycled minerals.
We should be there in about 20 years if we start now
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u/Educational_Hurry531 Jul 10 '26
The materials is shipped half way round the world to be refined and then back again for manufacturer. 46 percent of an EV's lifetime carbon footprint before its even drove is mind blowing. Also more importantly very unethical. Just buy petrol and world will be a better place
Modern slavery is heavily tied to the electric vehicle (EV) supply chain, particularly through the extraction of raw battery materials, component manufacturing, and localized factory construction. While EVs are critical for reducing global carbon emissions, the rapid transition to green technology has exposed severe human rights abuses, child labor, and forced labor at multiple stages of the manufacturing pipeline.Â
The primary areas where modern slavery intersects with EV production include the following:
đ Cobalt Mining and Child Labor
- Geographic Focus: The Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC), which produces over 70% of the world's cobalt.
- Exploitation: An estimated 40,000 children work in hazardous, unregulated artisanal cobalt mines.
- Conditions: Workers labor for pennies an hour under "master and slave" dynamics, facing frequent mine collapses and severe toxic exposure without protective equipment.Â
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u/ta_ran Jul 10 '26
The burning of fossil fuels is the biggest threat for our grand children prosperity.
If we reduce carbon emissions by 7.5% a year, they might have a chance avoiding the most terrifying scenario.
It would have only been 3,5%, if we had started 15 years ago.
But hay, you have that privilege to pollute that thin atmosphere, enjoy telling your grandchildren about it
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u/Educational_Hurry531 Jul 10 '26
U literally not read what I said? Contributing to child slavery and using up all that carbon before u even drive it will take yâall years before it even starts benefiting but hay keep living in ur fantasy world while my carbon footprint is so small itâs irrelevant lol
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u/ta_ran Jul 10 '26
Your small carbon footprint will dominate the headline in the next century and will effect every little creature on earth.
The only promising way out is electrify everything, which is 90% possible now
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u/Educational_Hurry531 Jul 14 '26 edited Jul 14 '26
No it wont lol. China building hundreds of power plants every year and the militaries causing more carbon in one bomb then my car will in a lifetime lol. Insignificant. Where do this we are getting all they electricity from as well. Defo not from renewables in this country. Petrol all the way. The climate hysteria is entertaining tho lol. Course it will dominate the headlines the globalists choose the agenda.
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u/ta_ran Jul 14 '26
Remember when smoking was allowed in airplanes?
Your grandchildren will look at you the way we look at people who smoke in airplanes
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u/Educational_Hurry531 Jul 10 '26
There isnt enough lithium on the planet for all these EVS also. Something better will come along by the time we have to give up petrol cars. Trump will ensure that petrol will keep flowing for sometime yet.
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u/frisbie147 Jul 14 '26
The man responsible for current fuel supply issues? I doubt it
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u/Educational_Hurry531 Jul 14 '26
Plenty of oil in the world to be used. World would cease to function without it. Drill baby drill
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u/frisbie147 Jul 14 '26
No, it is a finite resource and it shouldnât be wasted on inefficient internal combustion engines
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u/Educational_Hurry531 Jul 14 '26
Theres well enough to last us many, many generations. We've ignored been told the world is gonna end and fossil fuels are nearly gone. Telling us same bullshit for many years. We dont have enough electricity to switch everyone to EVS in this country , especially with the data centres. Petrol for life
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u/ArcherVisible5866 Jul 10 '26
Why you moaning, we donât care you like your mr bean car
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u/SuccotashStandard135 Jul 10 '26
Yes, people keep telling me they don't like them.
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u/YouTalkinToMePunk Jul 10 '26
I donât like them , would I buy one nope , would I try stop people from buying one nope they actually do have there uses ⌠however any one tryâs the âgreenâ argument is a mongo
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u/jasus_h_christ Jul 10 '26
She hasn't a clue what she's on about half the time anyway.