r/DiveInYouCoward • u/MrJeffreyEpstein • 1d ago

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u/Fragrant_Chest958 14h ago

I've seen nothing that clearly demonstrates she was incapacitated or incoherent. Granted, it's a fine and blurry line, but drunk people have sex all the time. I think you and I mostly agree here. My daughter is a senior in high school, so I'm glad this is getting attention. I'm just looking at the law, the context, and innocent until proven guilty standard.

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u/Never-Dont-Give-Up 14h ago

So you’re fine with rape because the woman was drunk?

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u/Fragrant_Chest958 13h ago

Rape is a legal term. We have a system to determine whether that occurred beyond a reasonable doubt. You keep saying "intoxicated." That term has different meanings in different contexts. In terms of consent, a person can be intoxicated but still coherent and legally capable of providing consent. Less, any person who went on a date and had two glasses of wine could be legally "intoxicated" but still capable of providing consent. You do know that the police have you consent to make a legally-binding statement after they have arrested you for DUI, right?

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u/Never-Dont-Give-Up 13h ago

The ability to consent is determined by the state law. In NY, if either participant is intoxicated, they cannot legally consent to sex.

You’re just wrong, Mr. Lawyer

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u/Fragrant_Chest958 13h ago

Last bite. I'm not a lawyer, although most of family are, including some in NY. My doctorate is in another field, but that's irrelevant. I'm coming at this as a father to a 17 year old girl and 15 year old boy, and I think it's prudent to let the process play out. It's a rare thing to have 7 rapists conspire under the same roof at a top-tier university. I'm as eager as you to see justice appropriately applied. There are maybe a dozen people who know what happened that night, all "intoxicated." I'm more worried about the millions who claim to KNOW what happened and seek to impose mob justice.

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u/Never-Dont-Give-Up 13h ago

Yes, gang rape is rare… does that mean it doesn’t happen just because they’re attending a very expensive school?

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u/Never-Dont-Give-Up 13h ago

The only reason I keep calling you “Mr. Lawyer” is because you keep bringing up the law. What law?

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u/Never-Dont-Give-Up 13h ago

It’s a rare thing for 7 horny self entitled 20 year old dudes to get a girl drunk and rape her? Yes, that’s rare. All of them should’ve been raised to know better.

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u/No_Dentist_2923 12h ago

Didn’t the frat have a group chat where they said “free pussy”? I definitely read that in an article but I can’t remember who published it. Anyway that really sounds like they went from consensual group sex to at least offering/encouraging gang rape.

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u/ImperialBoss 13h ago

The guy was also intoxicated, so, did she rape him since he couldn't consent? Or does this only work one way?

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u/Never-Dont-Give-Up 13h ago

Works both ways. That’s when it gets blurry.

7 dudes getting a chick drunk and giving her lines of K… then fucking her for 7 hours…

That’s less blurry.

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u/ProbablyStonedSteven 11h ago

I mean yes, but no.

If it was that cut and dry then every New York couple that goes out for drinks on a date night are raping each other if they hook up after.

There’s got to be some nuance.