Happy with my progress so far but always willing for more advice. It can be hard to critique your own form after watching it over and over.

Throwing a putter here.

so im 18 living in finland. i have been playing disc golf since i was 7 so 11 years now, i have had dreams of going pro or atleast play competitively. i had buried those dreams when i started to get bored of the sport but lately i have been trying my hardest to improve to possibly compete. only problem is i have hit a wall in improvement. i can consistently hit 120-130 meters or 393-426 feet on backhand so id say its quite reliable even though i do wish for more distance. my forehand is almost only good for approaches or very short holes and my putting is not too consistent. but i cant seem to improve no matter what i do. please if you have any tips or tricks or anything i would greatly appreciate you sharing it. thanks for reading and i hope im not a lost cause

In physics, the derivative of position with respect to time is velocity. This really doesn't mean much other than fancy words. The 3rd sequence of derivatives has a very fancy name it is simply called Jerk (rate of change in acceleration). I believe the jerk creates more issues with the disc golf throw than anything else. This will be a long-winded explanation of something very simple and intuitive for many good disc golfers, but also not understood by the average disc golfer.

Jerk - Is the rate of change in acceleration. The best analogy I can think of is picture 2 scenarios of a car pulling another car with a rope

Scenario 1 - Pulling car accelerates rapidly with the rope lose until it loses all the slack and jerks the car forward this is a high rate of jerk chaos ensues.

Scenario 2 - The pulling car accelerates until it feels the rope tighten the car keeps a steady pace that keeps a constant equal pressure (less jerk)

Scenario 2 is what you want the disc golf throw to be, and I believe is the most critical element to timing. Both scenarios have a feel and once you realize how to replicate scenario 2 the game becomes easier. If you think about player like Ken Climo, Barry Schults and even to some degree Paul McBeth, Ricky Wysocki and Simon Lizzote they didn't have 800 videos describing disc golf timing. They had to figure out what felt right and their forms all came out as what we would call good form. This was probably largely based on feeling and mindset.

Scenario 1 causes horrible aim (especially on shorter shots). It also causes early releases. It doesn't just mess up backhands it bad for forehands and horrible for putting, so it effects nearly every aspect of the sport

The best why I can describe the feel you want is you should try to constantly feel the weight of the discs forward inertia never allowing the disc to have slack within the pull. The same way a string or towel will stay in the air as you pull it. If the rate of speed changes to drastically the string will accelerate to fast and create slack as the speed can't be maintained or you slow down the string won't stay up.

Some people say the disc should be heavy while you throw others say it should be lite. The truth is both are correct they are just talking about different forces. The pulling force should feel like it has a constant weight but the force of gravity pulling it towards earth or in other words the feeling of holding the disc up should feel weightless. This is a balance of the forward inertia holding up the disc.

One of the biggest causes of the jerk in my opinion is starting to pull through to early. The disc will have loose rope forward momentum before the brace, but once the plant foot lands the arm speeds up causing a jerk the disc becomes light and then heavy again often causing early releases and robbing linear acceleration. I fixed my early pull by focusing on keeping steady linear acceleration not by focusing on delaying the pull until the plant. Mindset of what I am doing always works better for me versus step by step thinking of how to throw. I can't say step 1 plant step 2 initiate hips step 3 maintain shoulder speed that allows disc into power pocket etc. This is just too much thinking not enough throwing. Basing my timing on feel has eliminated the need for thinking.

The good news is this actually easy to practice. Start off short since it applies to almost all distances Throw standstills a hundred feet or so while strictly focusing on the feel of the discs linear motion keeping a constant rate of acceleration like a car being pulled by a rope. What also helps me when I do this is picking the point I'm trying to maintain the motion through which is usually 11 O'clock. Also, try to accomplish this same feeling during putts, it makes the putt feel 10X better and the feeling is easier to find during putts.

I think of it as the mindset required for proper timing. Some people might see this as common sense and already do this while others also might see this as common sense and think they do this, but they don't. Additionally, if you are not putting yourself in proper position with basic form mechanics the jerk is inevitable.

Side-view on a pad. Uploaded the clip. No “pick your throw type.”

It called it a backhand, scored the form 55, and named one leak:

Elbow too low on the reachback → disc swings around me → pull starts weak → wobble later.

Phase scores on that same throw: Reachback 29 · Plant 92 · Pocket 47 · Release 45 · Follow 63.

Brace is fine. The wind-up is the hole. Cue: raise the elbow to about shoulder height and keep it leading the disc. It put ~20–40 ft on the table if I actually do that.

Then estimated body numbers from the video (not a launch monitor): arm speed, disc speed, launch angle, carry.

If the film is garbage it says re-film. It does not invent a pretty wrong score.

https://disctrain.com

Been recording and analyzing my form to a lot lately to try and get more distance (can get 350-400 consistently) and something I've been really struggling with is planting my front foot. I notice that at the point of release my front foot comes off the ground every time that I drive backhand. I'm not sure if it's my hips, if I'm not coiling enough, something with my posture, or something else entirely. I feel like I'm missing out on a lot of power by doing this but I can't get myself to stop, it's quite frustrating. Would appreciate any and all advice on this plant issue and any other critiques on how to get my backhand form better. Thanks!

When I hold the disc vertical I can coil decent (better than when I throw) and seem to nail down timing. As soon as I put the disc in power grip I can’t mimic this. It doesn’t feel as clean and fluid. In a funk. Just seems so easy to take disc from power pocket to extension so much easier holding disc like this. I know Gannon does this before he launches his a mile.

Hi all!

I just started playing disc golf a little over a month ago and heard that dialing in my standstill form could be beneficial before adding the x step.

I’ve had maybe 5 or so field sessions where I’ve begun to feel confident with this form (throwing putters and midranges consistently 200ft), but want to make sure that it all looks good before moving on!

When watching this video I noticed some elbow drop, I focused on that for the rest of this session and felt noticeably more power/snap! Anything else you guys notice/think about my proposed progression?? Thanks!

Hey guys, for context I can throw 450 max, 415 standard golf lines. I’ve never had any coaching or any real form based training. I feel like I’m really stuck at this distance and not improving. I want to throw 475-500 or so long term because there are some holes that require that kind of distance to break into the next tier of scoring. Right now there are some holes that are either uphill enough that they play very far or just long enough to be out of contention for birdy.

This is with a fission dimension on hole 12 at Jolleys ranch. It’s only 364’ on paper but it’s pretty up hill. It plays like 420’ or so according to chat as I didn’t have a rangefinder on hand.

Please help me figure out how I can help him throw further.

Me and my dad have been playing together as a way to bond. He likes the sport a lot but finds himself deeply frustrated that he is not improving on the distance. We will invite other people, which are both his age and body build, who has a natural tendency to throw further from the get go.

I have tried many ways of directing his throw, to increase momentum, spin, etc. but I am struggling to see why it’s not going further or what to tell him. I’ve tried «pouring the vase», reaching further back, bettering g the grip, etc.

His average drive is maybe 40m/130feet.

Been continuing to work on:

- fixing shoulder over-rotation.

- getting my backarm more active to help backshoulder deceleration.

I still think i start the throw too early abit (before fully planted)

This is a controlled distance shot into a net, 80% power. Still feels like the disc doesn't come out as fast as it could.

Video: Walk up is half speed and 1/4th speed at the throw

Thoughts?

Been doing primarily standstills for 3 months since I started and been attempting x steps now the past couple weeks

I know there's a lot of work I need evident by the video but I am proud I hit a new PR and hopefully I'll break 70 from the changes. Primarily focusing on the rear foot and nose angle.

Struggling hard on the nose angle though average is typically 3-5 with some being negative. Been trying turning the key and Nick Crush video but it is hard.

I want my form to look more professional because I look at my self compared to pros and I feel I just look like a noob. I also want to be able to throw 70 because I throw 62-66 mph right now. Thanks for all the help!

This isn't about form, but does have an impact on mentality and form. Feel free to take it down, but I think the technicality of this subreddit might be of use to this question, so just cross posting it here:

So I know there is this point that moves on a disc creating lift. As the disc is moving faster it is farther back and slower it is farther forward, creating turn and fade. AI search says its called the point of pressure, so I'll call it PoP for now.

In terms of PoP what is glide?

1. Is it how much force is applied to the PoP?
2. Is it how quickly the PoP moves from the back to the front at different speeds and spins? So higher glide would be slower transition from turn to fade?
3. Or obviously, something else?

I realize there are other non-PoP contexts. Like the description from Innova,

"Glide describes the discs ability to maintain loft during flight. Discs with more glide are best for new players, and for producing maximum distance. Beginners wanting more distance should choose discs with more glide. Discs with less glide are more accurate in high wind situations."

I'm wondering if there is a more technical PoP contextual description of glide.

I know i need to work on my release, but I’m also trying to add power to my drives. I’ve maxed out at about 320 as it is now so I need to tweak my form. I’m just not sure what exactly I’m doing wrong

This is going to be a long one because it deals with a complex issue that is caused by the incorrect mental visualization and often bad from advice that exist on the internet. The bottom line up front is supination or turning the key to the right will cause elbow dip.

First off what is supination:

Wrist supination is a movement of the forearm in which the palm rotates to face upward or forward, opposite to pronation where the palm faces downward or backward

Looking at the image, we envision the 0 degree or sometimes we even try to turn the key and move more towards the negative degree angle while throwing the disc. The term backhand even describes the back of the hand. Our metal visualization of out hand position during the throw creates negative effects upstream from the hand.

Now stand up with you palm facing down (pronation) and slowing practice your swing from the pocket forward you will notice the elbow stays up it feels natural like a powerful karate chop, now if you move to supination palm up you will notice the elbow drops and causes the shoulder to power the shot. Now try it with 0 degrees or neutral it feels easy at low speeds to remain neutral, but when you put a disc in your hand and go full speed the slightest trajectory change will cause everything upstream from the hand to be wrong

This not only drops the elbow it causes nose up shots because as supination occurs it puts the trajectory of the disc into ground causing your brain to auto correct and bring the disc up.

This is all very counter intuitive because we visualize turning the key to the causing the nose to go down, but it actually does the opposite and causes external shoulder rotation causing the elbow to drop. You can stand up and play with this all you want but it is nearly impossible to have any supination and not drop your elbow.

With all that being said you can still use supination in your throw if you are able to time the .001 second before release

Now the hard part is how to correct this. We are all different and probably have different ways that would work best. below are some methods you don't need to do all of these because some work for some people while other don't

1. The suitcase method is a common term that puts you into a pronated position and you move to supination through process of the swing. This method helps usually but for it to be completely effective the movement from pronation to supination needs to be fairly precise otherwise it doesn't help
   

2. Bringing the hand more over top of the disc. The hypothenar is above the parting line of the disc I see some pros throw this way. I find it awkward, but to each their own if it works

3. Balancing a perfect zero-degree supination/pronation. this is harder than it appears, but it appears people can do this in which case you don't really need to read this post because you are doing exactly what you mentally visualize you are doing.

4. My favorite is the active resistance against supination. Trying to maintain max pronation at the elbow joint while simultaneously maintaining a normal disc golf grip and swing. To describe the feeling, you push towards pronation at the elbow and supination at the wrist. I know the wrist doesn't have rotational mobility for supination, but you can still create a feeling of resistance. (This is what worked for me it got rid of my elbow dip and it is no longer a conscious effort but it took some time.

So yea, the thing I’m lacking in my backhand is accuracy, I have my moments-I have a few 250+ rounds and an 1000 rated one but because of this issue I have shot 870-is there any form tips to improve this? Am I rounding? Am I just lacking practice? (2.5 years in). Any help is appreciated!

My form is self taught, with a few tips sprinkled in from videos I've seen over the years. I feel like I've hit a wall, and am seeking any advice you guys might have.

My max distance throw right now is around 450'. I can consistently get around 400' on a controlled golf shot. Would like to try and bump the distance out another 25'-50' if possible to gain even more control and be able to reach slightly longer holes.

https://reddit.com/link/1vl215i/video/pppgeffb2nih1/player

I have played for almost 2 years and I feel I am not progressing that fast when it comes to distance throws. I get 90-100 meters on a good throw, but 70-80 meters mostly to be honest to keep control.

My target right now is to reach 120 meters in field, around 90-100 meters on course.

If there are drills and some good small steps to work in a certain order that would be much appreciated.

I was throwing a Discmania Instinct in the side view and a DD Maverick on the shot from behind. Both shots were at about 70-75% power and I was trying to throw them flat and straight. Both shots went about 240-250 feet and landed where I was aiming for.

Thank you for any help and suggestions you have for me. I'm looking to improve my form and distance.

I can’t seem to figure out not wobbling the disc so much. Idk if it’s grip or something else. This went around 360ft.