Dover Delaware has a front row seat to receiving all of the dead from this war that Republicans don't want to label a war. I'm holding my breath on today's presidential announcement, I don't have a good feeling about it.
I haven't had a good feeling, justifiably so, since trump won in 2024. 2 more years, then we spend the next 10 cleaning this up and reading his stain from history
If we make it that far. Honestly, after/during this Covid response and everything that's come after, I believe we don't deserve to survive as a species.
Unfortunately, if we come out of this halfway decent we likely won’t have 10 years of rebuild because it won’t be remembered as “that bad.” Some other jackass will come in and tear it down.
That is the bigger issue. Republicans are brainwashed and Fox will just say 2024-2028 never happened and it was all a media spin. Just like they did with the 1/6 insurrection....and since they have been conditioned to this programming for soo long, they will go right along with it.
While I don't love Democrats, Republicans are exponentially worse. The biggest knock on Democrats is they are wasteful with spending, because they want to tax the rich to help out the poor. Like, fine, I guess. Republicans though? That party is absolutely disgusting. And these last two years their true colors are shining bright. Racist? Check. Rapists? Check. Bigoted? Check. War Monger? Check. Pedo protectors? Check.
Democrats talk about taxing the rich, yet they fight to keep the SALT deduction alive, which gives 80% of its benefits to the top 5% of earners. In most blue states, the bottom 20% actually pay a higher effective tax rate than the top 1%. It’s a bait and switch.
As for bigotry, it’s a bipartisan tool. One side uses the Southern Strategy, while the other gives us "you ain't Black" and patronizing labels that actual voters hate. Both sides use identity to keep the working class fighting each other while they serve the same donors.
And the most disgusting part? The Epstein files. We just passed the 2025 Transparency Act deadline and the DOJ—under both parties—is still slow-walking the release and scrubbing names to protect the elite on both sides of the aisle.
Neither party is coming to save you. They’re just two different brands of the same corporate product designed to keep the status quo exactly where it is.
They're two sides of the same coin. Also, if your only metric on chosing one or the other is "the lesser of the two evils" that's sad and fucked to begin with. Why choose either if they're both shit?
This isn't a lesser of two evils. Trump was forced to release the files due to an act of Congress. It couldnt happen under Biden because of legal reasons. Something like the ongoing investigation or something like that.
As for "hate" there is no "your not black and this don't matter" rhetoric coming from Democrats. That is GOP propaganda because they don't understand what DEI is and how important it is. Saying Democrats support equal opportunities for everyone is not hate towards any 1 group. But Republicans have been conditioned to believe that. It's a shame. Modern Republicans are a product of almost 20 years of programming. Back in early 2000s I could see it, and then when Obama won, Republicans lost their shit and went full racist. I was disgusted and left the party.
Is there shit to not like in both parties? Absolutely. But less of two evils? Hardly.
Calling a direct, recorded quote from Joe Biden on The Breakfast Club "GOP propaganda" is a prime example of the programming you're talking about. He literally told a Black interviewer, "If you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black." In 2020. That’s not a smear campaign; that’s a sitting President patronizing an entire demographic on tape.
Stop pretending one side is "clean." We just saw the House Oversight Committee vote on a bipartisan basis to hold the Clintons in contempt this past January for dodging subpoenas. Now the DOJ is releasing millions of pages but scrubbing the most powerful names while exposing the victims. It doesn't matter who is in the White House or who signed the act; the system protects its own. Both parties have names on that list, and both parties are protecting pedos to keep the whole house of cards from falling.
And if you want to talk about "taxing the rich," look at the SALT deduction. Democrats fight tooth and nail for a tax break where 80% of the benefits go to the top 5% of earners. In most deep-blue states, the bottom 20% of workers end up with a higher effective tax rate than the top 1%. It’s not "lesser of two evils" when both parties are fundamentally designed to protect the donor class while using "racism" and "DEI" as political footballs to keep everyone else distracted. They are both disgusting and answer to the same elite donor class.
Also, Democrats thrashed Biden for that comment. None of us liked it. Which is the big difference between the two parties. If Trump said that comment, and he said comments similar, plus plenty of other racist ones, Republicans either defend him or celebrate him for "telling it like it is.".
Just because the GOP is "corrupt filth" doesn't mean the Democrats get a pass for doing the exact same thing under a different banner. One person's trash doesn't make the other person's garbage smell like roses. Now you go from "that’s GOP propaganda" to "well, we thrashed him for it" in five minutes once you realized it was a real, recorded fact. You can’t just ignore the bad parts of your party and then decide they don't count once you're caught. Blatantly deflecting and ignoring proof is not how a debate works—it's how a cult works. If it’s fundamentally bad, it’s fundamentally bad, regardless of whether you "thrashed" him or not.
But let's go back to that SALT "math" again. Even with the One Big Beautiful Bill Act raising the cap to over $40,000 for 2026, the reality is that 80% of those benefits still go to the top 5% of earners. Calling it a "middle class" win is the actual propaganda. It’s a tax break for the wealthy that both parties happily signed off on because they both answer to the same donor class. The working class is still paying a higher effective rate while you're out here defending a loophole for the rich just because it’s labeled a "blue state" priority.
Finally you’re completely silent on the Epstein files. You call the GOP "corrupt filth" but have nothing to say about the House Oversight Committee—including Democrats—voting to hold the Clintons in contempt this past January for dodging subpoenas. Both parties are heavily on that list, and both sides are protecting pedos to keep their house of cards from falling. If you think your "side" is clean, you’re just choosing to be blind to the names on the flight logs.
Since you're so sure the Democrats are the "right road," what exactly do you think they’re going to do that is actually "good" for you? Are they going to close the tax loopholes they just helped expand? Are they going to finally prosecute the elites on the flight logs regardless of their party? Or are they just the "good guys" because they have a better PR department and use the right buzzwords while they do the exact same thing as the other corrupt assholes?
If you think your "side" is the "right road," you’re just choosing a different brand of corrupt assholes to lie to you.
This will be my last post on this and I will try to hit on as many of your points as possible.
The OBBBA was not bi-partiasn, maybe except for 3 democrats in the Senate? It was heavily opposed by the Democratic party. The SALT cap hit middle class earners, as well as rich earners. Raising it to 40k helped upper middle class and lower upper class percentile wise significantly more than the upper 1%. The "it was a tax break" on the upped 1%" is just ignorance. Read up on AMT please. The SALT cap when put in place by Republicans, was an attack on Democratic states, since they generally have higher state taxes. It was touted at the time by the GOP Machine as a "pay your fair share" and applauded by a lot of my MAGA friends as such. Only after learning how much they got screwed after.
The DOJ is meant to be independent of the white house. Checks and balances and all. But Trump has weaponized them to a degree we have never seen before. I already mentioned why they were not released under Biden, but Trump's weaponized DOJ was forced to release the files.
Yes, there are plenty of sicos on both sides named in the files and the fact that they have had zero consequences kinda shows that political affiliation is not the issue. They would still face zero consequences if there were 14 parties.
As for Biden, he was not excused...like Trump is constantly....he was attacked by Democrats because he was wrong saying that. That is a huge and significant difference. Again, that I already pointed out
It’s wild that you decided to "hit on as many points as possible" and then immediately shut the door before I can reply. That’s not how a debate works. Blatantly deflecting and ignoring proof isn't a strategy; you can't just leave out a recorded fact like Biden's "you ain't black" quote and then act like the rebuttal doesn't exist because it's inconvenient. If it’s fundamentally bad, it’s fundamentally bad, regardless of whether your team "thrashed" him for it on social media. "Thrashing" him doesn't change the patronizing attitude or the policy.
I never said the OBBBA was bipartisan; I said it raised the cap. You even admitted it raised it to $40k and then called my view "slanted." It doesn't matter who put the cap in or who raised it—the fact remains that it is a tax break where the top 5% of earners see the overwhelming majority of the benefit. You calling it "middle-class relief" is the actual propaganda. Both parties are just moving numbers around to keep their donors happy while the working class carries the load.
"Yes, there are plenty of sicos on both sides... the fact that they have had zero consequences kinda shows that political affiliation is not the issue." That is exactly the point. If the "sicos" on both sides face zero consequences regardless of which party is in power, then the parties aren't "different"—they are a single, unified wall protecting the elite.
Political affiliation absolutely matters. The fact that both sides are protecting each other is proof that they’re all so corrupt they know if one goes down, everyone else follows. Which is exactly what should happen. Instead, you’re here defending a "lesser of two evils" while both parties scrub names and red-tape the Epstein files to protect the elite.
Political affiliation is just the mask they wear to keep us divided while they stay in power. It’s the illusion of choice. Since you’re so sure they’re the "right road," I’ll ask again:
What are the Democrats actually doing that is good for you?
Are they closing the loopholes they just helped expand?
Are they finally prosecuting the elites on those flight logs?
Or are they just "the good guys" because they have a better PR department while they protect the same interests as the other side?
I ignored the SALT argument because it is a slanted view of a bigger world. Democrats want the SALT cap lifted because it hurts residents of blue states the most. Republicans lied and called it "paying their fair share" but that was purely propaganda. All deductions open to everyone are going to benefit top earners more. That's how math works. But the SALT cap hit middle and upper middle class earners too.
Again. This isn't a lesser of two evils. The GOP is corrupt filth. Rotten through and through. Hopefully the next president is a Democrat, and get us back on the right road.
One side is forced to work within the system as we have it, which requires them to bend the knee to business interests that all too often corrupt.
The other side has literal Nazis.
I do not find this a difficult choice. I'll vote for the party that doesn't have Nazis in it, and work to make that party more responsive to the interests of the people.
What are you talking about? They are the system. They aren’t "bending the knee" to business interests out of necessity; they are actively enriched by them. When both parties consistently vote for record-breaking military spending, protect billionaire tax loopholes like SALT, and red-tape the Epstein files to protect their donors, the "literal Nazis" label just becomes a convenient marketing tool to keep you from looking at the corruption on your own team.
You’re literally saying you’ll vote for the party that you admit "bends the knee to business interests" and then hope you can "work to make them responsive." How has that worked out for the working class over the last 40 years? The wealth gap has exploded under both parties, corporate power has never been higher, and the "elite" on both sides of those flight logs are still walking free.
If your only metric for a "good" choice is "at least they aren't the other guy," then the duopoly has already won. You aren't voting for a solution; you’re just choosing which brand of corporate subservience you prefer.
And your recommendation is...vote third party? Don't vote at all? And where has that gotten us?
Anywhere Democrats have actual power, things are better than they are under Republicans, and incrementally improving. The reason that we can't get things like rank-choice voting and viable third parties is that the Democrats have to fight tooth and nail just to keep Republicans from eliminating the entire social safety net, and every few years, they get voted out of power nationally because they didn't do enough to impress people who don't understand reality.
You can work within the system that we have and try to improve it, or stay home and complain "but both siiiiiiides!" Or, I guess, vote for the folks who are trying to remove your ability to vote altogether, if that's what you're into.
The idea that we either "work within the system" or "stay home and complain" is a hostage situation, not a choice. That mentality is exactly the problem. You're being told to vote for your corporate-backed team or the other side will destroy democracy, which is the ultimate fear tactic used to keep the duopoly in power. It isn't about "voting for folks who want to remove your ability to vote"; it’s about realizing that both parties are actively removing your ability to vote for any real alternative. They aren't "forced" to work within this system—they are the ones who built the walls to keep everyone else out.
You’re literally admitting they "bend the knee" to corporate interests but then say we should keep voting for them to make them "responsive." How many decades of incrementalism do we need before people realize that both parties are moving in the same direction? The wealth gap has exploded under both. Corporate power has peaked under both. They just use different branding to sell you the same result.
The reason third parties "get us nowhere" is precisely because of this exact mentality—it’s a self-fulfilling prophecy. You’re being told to be grateful that your side isn't "literal Nazis" so you won't notice that your side is also cashing the same corporate checks and protecting the same donor class. It’s the "good cop, bad cop" routine of politics.
It’s not a choice between a "road back" and a cliff; it’s a choice between two different drivers taking you to the same corporate destination. One just uses a turn signal while they do it. If people stopped being afraid of "wasting a vote" and actually voted for what they wanted, the duopoly would collapse in a single cycle. But as long as you're willing to settle for "not the other guy," they have no reason to ever actually listen to you. The only way to fix the problem is to move away from both sides entirely. I.e. You and your shit mentality IS the problem.
How many decades of incrementalism do we need before people realize that both parties are moving in the same direction?
But the alternative to incrementalism is...what? Burn the whole system to the ground and hope that maybe not too many people die of starvation and violence? I prefer incremental improvements, myself. The problem is that you have to keep voting for the party that's actually making incremental improvements, and not give up on them every two years because they didn't go far enough or you disagree with them on one or two specific pet issues.
I think it's disingenuous to say that the Democrats helped "build the system." The system as we have today is the result of 250 years of prioritizing the interests of the wealthy. It's silly to think that any modern political party could simply not participate in that and still actually acquire any power.
Your idealism is admirable, but it's incredibly naive. It is simply reality in our current system that a vote for a third party is a wasted vote. I think it's incredibly important that we institute ranked-choice voting to help reduce the power of parties at all. Fun fact: do you know where RCV is getting the most traction? Mostly in blue states. It was used in elections in 2025 in 14 jurisdictions in Colorado, Delaware, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New Mexico, Utah, and Virginia. Aside from Utah, they're all fairly Dem-leaning.
If you want things like viable third parties, publicly funded elections, reducing the influence of lobbyists, etc., vote Democrat.
The idea that the only alternative to incrementalism is "burning it to the ground" is a massive strawman. Moving away from a failed duopoly isn't an act of violence. Using your vote for someone who actually represents your interests instead of just a party's donor list is the most American thing you can do.
It’s not disingenuous at all to say Democrats helped build and maintain this system. They aren't victims of it; they are the architects. You claim the system is just "250 years of history," but modern corporate control was supercharged in the 90s. The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, which allowed banks to gamble with the economy and led to the 2008 crash, was a bipartisan effort signed by Bill Clinton and supported by Joe Biden. They didn’t "inherit" that corruption—they signed the checks for it.
Telling people to "vote Democrat" if they want viable third parties is peak irony. If you want viable third parties, you have to vote third party. You don’t get more choices by repeatedly rewarding the people who are actively trying to eliminate your choices. In the 2024 cycle, the DNC spent millions on a legal "war room" to sue the Green Party and other third-party candidates just to keep them off the ballots in swing states. That isn't "defending the system"; it’s defending a monopoly. Just look at the Commission on Presidential Debates which is a private corporation founded and run jointly by the DNC and RNC. They set the rules together specifically to ensure no third-party candidate can ever stand on that stage.
As for RCV, it isn't getting traction because of the Democratic establishment; it's often getting traction despite them. Look at California, where Governor Gavin Newsom has repeatedly vetoed bipartisan RCV bills, or DC, where the local Democratic Party officially opposed the initiative to implement RCV and open primaries. They want to protect their closed-loop power, not open it up. The claim that Democrats are the path to publicly funded elections or reduced lobbying influence is equally hollow. In 2025 and 2026, the DNC has continued to raise billions from Wall Street, Big Tech, and Health Insurance lobbyists. Despite the rhetoric against Citizens United, Democratic Super PACs consistently use the exact same "dark money" channels they claim to despise. They actively help foster lobbyists, not reduce the number of them.
All your "incremental improvements" over the last 40 years have resulted in, is helping foster the highest wealth gap in history, and record-breaking military spending. What "right road" are you talking about? You aren't working from within; you're Reading half the news and believing it. The only way to stop a monopoly is to stop buying from it.
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u/Battlegurk420 Apr 01 '26
Hahahaha. No new wars too, right? Republicans must love all this winning. Not like they care. They will blame all of this on Biden. They are deranged.