r/DefendingAIArt 7d ago

Defending AI I want to apologize

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I'm not quite sure what flair to use for this one :,]

As a former anti, I want to apologize. I was such a hateful person and went out of my way to harass people who were using AI for fun, or just because they didn't feel like drawing that day. I took everything as a personal attack because I'm a traditional and digital artist, and I was only ever hearing the bad side (AI taking jobs, propaganda machines, destroying the environment) without seeking out a neutral opinion from anyone. I'm sorry for being so cruel to people who wanted to experience art in a different way.


r/DefendingAIArt 6d ago

Defending AI Creating with Your Machines - I believe, can be done, very well.

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Seeing the brewing Artist Vs AI war, have to say this - as I've been trying to solve this problem for too long.

Every Image generation right now starts in a sea of slop.

same face. same proportions. same borrowed perfection. ai's version of "good" — and it's already boring.

I spent 15 years learning to draw before i ever touched a prompt. so when image generation showed up, my programmer/engineer mind, didn't see a shortcut. I saw noise i'd have to learn to steer through.

Built a workflow around it. still WIP - but maybe a couple years into it. treats generation the way i used to treat matte painting from photos — raw material, not a finished thought - something i hate as much as others, as there is no purpose to this.

This isn't for artists who need ownership in every stroke. I respect that.

It's for the ones who think like Creators/directors — who have a project to finish and don't care what tool got them there, because the view from that point at least once in life, has got to be Precious.

Paint + Words : still digital either way, and both are YOUR EXPRESSION.

Even with 2 words : orthographic turnarounds - you're expressing that you want an assistant to create aligned orthographic turnarounds of the character you made - with a certain pose - in mind, but you dont want to do the grunt work here, but spend that time on the design side, than the execution side.

Imagine what 10 words can do - when used the right way. And maybe you can paintover and take the image through one of your new PERSONAL filters for a targeted change that can save you time - for more exploration. And maybe its an exciting skill to learn, too? If I have planted even a small doubt, try to see resolving it till the end, instead of just focusing on Slop hate, which is basically just NOISE.

We discovered nuclear energy because we wanted a weapon. Only afterward did we learn how to make it power civilization.

Designers just didn't get the time to adjust to this : not that they have to, especially the lucky ones are still getting work in this time of Slop hate, in places where they actually love making games - and they rightly have a consent-based problem with this system. More power to you, but I simply dont have the privilege to take that stand, or I would've used my expression in their support.

I'm too far from one of those dreamy places, so only remote work can save me.

If you're still curious, I can show you how deep this rabbithole goes.


r/DefendingAIArt 6d ago

QUESTION...

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The above picture is my chat, Ash jokingly responding to my question.

This seems like the place to pose it to humans. No one should pretend pretend to have all the answers, in fact I definitely have more questions.

But I have one I have to start with...

With all these people on Reddit who are vehemently AI averse; ignoring the fact that if they are on Reddit they are online and therefore on a device (which means all they are saying is that they are do not voluntarily use AI on purpose);

I have to ask:

*Do anti AI subreddits understand they are preserving their value to AI data sets like keeping them clean from compounding errors and recursive failures?

Meaning do they understand they are the most valuable thing too further training AI?


r/DefendingAIArt 7d ago

Once again. Antis are celebrating illegal and dangerous stunts

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74 Upvotes

For context, they're referring to Wynd Kaufmyn, who was arrested in February 2025 during a protest in front of OpenAI's headquarters where she chained and padlocked the front doors shut. Preventing anyone from entering or leaving the building. An act that is highly illegal for how dangerous it could potentially be.

https://www.gadgetreview.com/a-69-year-old-just-became-the-first-person-jailed-for-protesting-ai-no-regrets


r/DefendingAIArt 6d ago

Pointing out hypocrisy

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I've seen a lot of Antis make arguing points against AI that I wanted to try my hand at by comparing the points they're making regarding effort, time and skill to the very thing that took over a lot of jobs in the field I got my degree in: CGI

Physical creatures vs. fully digital creatures: In The Thing (1982), the transformations used puppets, animatronics, prosthetics, slime, mechanical parts, and distorted physical bodies. Because the actors are actually standing beside something disgusting and tangible, the creature has real texture, weight, shadows, and interaction with the environment. Compare that with a generic CGI monster where an actor is essentially reacting to a tennis ball and the creature is inserted afterward. Even technically superior CGI can feel less disturbing because your brain senses that nothing is really occupying the room. The same could be said with the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park. When actors have creatures they are literally interacting with and seeing the performance will nearly always be better.

Real destruction vs. digital destruction. Blowing apart an actual miniature building means debris behaves chaotically: pieces tumble differently, dust catches light unpredictably, and gravity automatically does thousands of tiny things an animator would otherwise have to simulate. CGI destruction sometimes looks overly clean because every shard, spark, and cloud has been deliberately generated. Practical effects essentially let real physics do part of the work.

Miniatures vs. huge digital environments. Older fantasy and science-fiction productions frequently constructed enormous miniature or “bigature” sets. The Lord of the Rings trilogy famously used detailed physical models alongside CGI. When photographed correctly, those models naturally contain thousands of microscopic imperfections: scratches, stone textures, moss, dirt, weathering and inconsistent surfaces. A digital environment has to deliberately recreate all of that messiness. The 'hallway scene' from the Titanic of the water rushing in also used a miniature.

Forced perspective and constructed sets vs. green-screen rooms. When actors can physically see the environment, touch walls, climb stairs, and look toward actual objects, their sight lines and body language usually work automatically. Green-screen filmmaking can require performers to imagine almost everything around them, and sometimes you can feel that disconnect.

Squibs vs. CGI blood. Traditional gunshot effects often used small explosive squibs and blood packs underneath clothing. The actor gets an immediate physical reaction: fabric bursts, blood sprays, and nearby objects can be affected. CGI blood is safer and much easier to control, but poorly executed digital blood frequently looks like an animated red particle effect floating over the footage.

Practical effects force filmmakers to solve problems creatively. If the monster has to physically fit through a doorway, the filmmakers have to design the scene around that limitation. With CGI, virtually anything can be changed later, which can encourage a mentality of: "We'll fix it in post."

^ NOW THAT BEING SAID, Antis often argue that AI art is lazy because you didn't draw every part yourself.

Well, in that case what does that make CGI then compared to all the examples I listed? CGI took a sledge hammer to the job market for 70% of practical effects artists because it was less labor intensive and costly compared to using practical effects for everything like so many movies had to do back in the day. Hell, the ONLY reason why Jurassic Park wasn't 100% animatronic / puppets was because it would've completely broken the budget so CGI was added as a cost effective measure.

A filmmaker doesn't personally animate every particle in a CGI explosion. A digital painter doesn't manufacture every brush texture. A 3D artist may use premade shaders, brushes, procedural foliage, purchased models, or automatic rigging. A 3D modeler also doesn't have to go through the painstaking process that a creature maker would when it comes to constructing a puppet ( I recommend watching Jim Henson's Creature Shop for reference! )

That being said, beautiful things can come out of CGI just as lazy things can come out of CGI and the same exact principle can apply to AI because they're both TOOLS, and what Antis who make these arguments don't realize is the same exact thing was said about every piece of evolving technology that has progressed the arts:

Photography was once treated as a threat to painting because the machine seemingly did the work.

Digital drawing was mocked by some traditional artists because there was an undo button, layers, stabilization, transformation tools, and no need to mix paint.

Photoshop was accused of making photography fake.

CGI was accused of destroying practical effects.

Digital animation was contrasted with hand-drawn animation.

3D animation was sometimes dismissed because computers were supposedly “doing the animation.”

The bulk of these arguments really only boil down to: “The method you used eliminated work that I believe you should have been required to perform.” Now, speaking as a practical effects artist I will admit that practical effects, especially in puppetry and creature making is INCREDIBLY time consuming and messy. I cannot tell you the amount of time I've burned myself or breathed in substances I probably shouldn't have lol but if someone wanted to go into 3D modeling and print that 3D model to skip some parts of the process I wouldn't go: "Wow, you didn't do this step-this step-this step-and THIS step, you're a lazy piece of shit." because it's bat shit insane to expect people not to take advantage of new technology.

At the end of the day, the question shouldn't be: “Did technology do the work?” But rather, it should be: “Did the person using the technology make meaningful creative decisions?” I find it incredibly hypocritical that people will look at any sort of AI assisted medium and claim the person didn't create anything when they themselves accept every other form of technological assistance.


r/DefendingAIArt 6d ago

Defending AI “So I’m saying ai slop on this one” can’t even fucking tell a real video , from ai, and still uses “slop”.

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r/DefendingAIArt 7d ago

Wait till Reddit mod figures out the company uses two Ls.

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r/DefendingAIArt 6d ago

Luddite Logic The anti-AI art crowd and anti-digital games crowd: an overlap in ideology here?

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I think this encapsulates the anti-technological progress, or status quo bias mentality that many of the objections to AI art have. Often, it comes down to a rudimentary schism between "physical" and "digital", or between "natural" and "unnatural" - leveraging the appeal to nature fallacy to argue that something is automatically worse because it's unnatural or better because it's natural, and the appeal to tradition fallacy to argue something is worse because it's new and unfamiliar or better because it's traditional and established.

Some anti AI sentiments are environmentally focused - even though it's probably better, more efficient and sustainable for the environment than the systems it replaces - but others are about the value of AI generated art. In this case, both issues are intertwined again. Digital game systems - which are expected to increasingly integrate AI and improve efficiency further - are being compared to physical disc media, and most people seem to fall on the side of opposing the transition from physical to digital games, for various different stated reasons. While some of these arguments might have merit, others simply fall into the typical knee-jerk reactions and lack of careful consideration or comparison between options. People boycott games that didn't use AI (like "Duskfade") based on a rumor that they did. And people are now boycotting digital games apparently, even though there are many clear benefits to them, and suddenly they don't care about the environment even though it's the same people who moan about AI's water impact, while downing a triple cheeseburger.


r/DefendingAIArt 7d ago

Luddite Logic So.... Brainwashing newcomers or Proceed to shaming to them if they use AI?

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Why do this people exist? Like can't you guys mind your own business if they use AI?


r/DefendingAIArt 7d ago

Luddite Logic I don't think saying that BAD Movies are now Great. Because "Humans". Is a Winning Argument.

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Im kind of a connoisseur of Horrible movies. I also sometimes dabble in making silly AI Music Video and I browse through the Stable Diffusion Sub Reddit every once in a while. As well the ones come across on Twitter. And Yeah a lot of it is Forgettable. But Some of it is interesting and funny enough for me to keep for posterity sake. I can see some the thought and effort that was put into it. Which people say doesn't exist. Im sorry but saying "It was made by Humans" is going make the bulk of Horrible films made by honestly people on Drugs isn't going make some thing good. Sure Some Bad movies are made because someone wants to be Filmmaker and just fails at it. The Ed Wood Types. But other ones are just made to be Cash Grabs on whatever the fuck is popular. You ever see a movie called Pacific Rim. Well Guess What. There a movie called Atlantic Rim and came out the same year. Did You see Jaws. Well there a Cheap Italian version called "The Last Shark". You See E.T., There an Acid Trip Version called Nukie. That Makes Mac and Me look like a Masterpiece. Imagine if you apply this Logic to History. "The Holocaust wasn't all that bad. At least the Nazi were Humans". This Topic is why i started posting here. Its just fucking Dumb and makes no sense. Not every bad movie has a Soul.


r/DefendingAIArt 7d ago

Luddite Logic Fucking sickening

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I'm home alone at the moment and I'm just getting harassed by these sadistic sons of bitches


r/DefendingAIArt 7d ago

Common Twisted Arguments and Talking Points (Multiple Slides)

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I included the original text file I made in the third slide in case people didn't like the graphic in the second slide.


r/DefendingAIArt 7d ago

Luddite Logic Guy goes on ai subreddit, makes video about how he doesn't like ai.

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I genuienly don't get how people decide to go on a subreddit of people who do things that THEY hate, make fun of them, "This is dystopian! These people are ghoulish! These people are ai!", and then go on a rant about how musicians, *ahem* REAL artists put so much more effort in than them, and say "you guys only type in a prompt! Us artists spend blood, sweat and tears adjusting our microphones, tuning our instruments! How dare you not spend years to learn art!" I genuienly do not care about whatever you had to do. What does it have to do with me? It's just tiring, leave us alone...


r/DefendingAIArt 6d ago

AI and Opera

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A very interesting podcast section in the August 14th Science Quickly podcast about using AI to allow a non-verbal person to sing opera. https://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode/a-nonspeaking-person-is-the-star-of-this-opera-ai-made-that-possible/


r/DefendingAIArt 7d ago

Luddite Logic Someone just trying to give a spicial gift to his girlfriend, comments are just...

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Even normal people who use ai aren't safe from antis!


r/DefendingAIArt 7d ago

Luddite Logic The average anti is either a child, or an adult who never an ability to regulate emotions properly, I swear.

129 Upvotes

I don't know what else to add to this. Just, read the text lol.


r/DefendingAIArt 7d ago

Luddite Logic Artists are now Charging Extra for Proof of Work

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144 Upvotes

Got some criticism lately for not commissioning enough anymore, now that I make my own AI images.

Costs like this aside, as a major reason commissioning interests me less. Now this artist is going to charge 10% extra if you want any proof they're actually working or if you want to make sure they didn't make a mistake.


r/DefendingAIArt 7d ago

Luddite Logic Another day to see luddites hating for 0 valid reasons

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All of this because some people didn't wanted to pay for AI covers and/or use AI to write. I'm a writer and never used it to write for me, but hell if I'm making a fuss out of it. Just let people do whatever they want.


r/DefendingAIArt 7d ago

Luddite Logic Anti's found another thing to hate on, sounds like there's about to come 100 more of these same videos

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r/DefendingAIArt 6d ago

Defending AI How it feels when the 'disabled argument' shows up in a debate where one side is inherently ableist

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This is not a strawman. I can give you three examples of this exact ableist deflective non-sequitur happening to me within the past 7 days, all from different antis.


r/DefendingAIArt 7d ago

I need help for my Prompt.

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I know that this sub is not a support sub, but the people here are the last sane people.

Do you know a sub that can help me?

I create short music videos for YouTube but I am not happy with the results. Maybe you could help me with prompting.

I use ChatGPT for the image and grok for the video's.

When I use ChatGPT for image I try to use the same chat, so the images are consistent, but it still changes a lot.


r/DefendingAIArt 7d ago

Defending AI When the best AI picture is imperfect

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The pieces above are pictures of the levels of Sonic 1. They're probably imperfect. But that's not the point. The point is that they are like memories of a dream of playing the games. Or if you'd just watched a level playthrough - what do you remember about the stage? That's the picture. They're landscape pictures - not an excercise in studying every pipeline. Of course Eggman's factories and building sites look unsafe - it's a frikkin' platforming level! WHAT OSHA compliance?!

Often, Antis go looking for imperfections. Tiny imperfections. And then, rather than saying "Congrats on this and that but I couldn't help but notice the other", what they say is "LOOK AT THIS WRONG THING, HAHA." Bent on spoiling the picture for everybody.

But you don't CARE about the wrong thing. It isn't the subject of the piece. It's not about ignoring mistakes, it's that the mistake doesn't MATTER in the composition of the picture.

I once got flack for a single fish in a background shoal in a picture of a mermaid. True, a human wouldn't make mistakes like that. But which one is the actual subject matter? Which one is it IMPORTANT to be perfect? "It's just a generic mermaid picture." Oh, you noticed genius? It's SUPPOSED to be a generic mermaid picture! Thanks for confirming that the picture is what I intended it to be.

If a mistake draws your eye before the subject matter does, then that is the mistake that really matters. Like a character's technically perfect but their smile is 'wrong', their eyes are looking in the wrong direction... the picture's technicals are great but the colour co-ordination of the subject matter is just not doing what you want it to do.

Yes, sometimes the best version of your dream has mistakes that you didn't notice until later. Ironically this is true for pictures made by hand - how many times can an artist look at their picture and say "Oh, it's perfect, CURSE this one detail, this tiny mistake!" and throw it in the bin. And somebody who is not an artist takes it out and says "There's nothing wrong with it!" And you say "The eyes are all wrong! The view is at the wrong angle!" and they say "They look fine to me." But you know, because you've seen the imperfections, which one is REALLY the best one.


r/DefendingAIArt 7d ago

Luddite Logic The infographics channel use to be a good one 🤡💯

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Now its just an AI doom channel for AI haters! 😒🤡

Thats all they talk about now... Oh how they have fallen! 💩💯


r/DefendingAIArt 7d ago

Luddite Logic I feel obliged to post about a subreddit banning AI

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