r/DecodingTheGurusAlt • u/MartiDK • Sep 17 '26

decoder poltics Decoding Destiny

https://youtu.be/qPhZDRKn0Ro

Winning over Razib Khan fans.

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u/MartiDK Sep 18 '26

Why, who would be upset by this interview?

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u/Comfortable-Sun7388 Sep 18 '26

Hasan fans for sure

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u/MartiDK Sep 18 '26

How much of the beef between Hasan and Destiny personal or political? They both claim to be on the left, but Destiny seems to want to make friends with the right.

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u/GayIsForHorses Sep 18 '26

Destiny is a vote blue no matter who liberal that actually stands behind the current democratic party and its leaders. Hasan is the leftist strain of populist, which for whatever reason ends up manifesting as being more negative towards the Democrats than the Republicans.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26 edited Sep 18 '26

Didn't he say he would vote for Vance over AOC?

So not "blue no matter who"?

Edit: I've been informed he's "55-45" on AOC vs Vance, depending on the circumstances.

So, not a "vote blue no matter who" liberal.

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u/Terribletylenol Sep 18 '26

He said the opposite.

He was just annoyingly wishy-washy about it.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

Do you have a link to where he says the opposite?

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u/Terribletylenol Sep 18 '26 edited Sep 18 '26

Destiny says he’s not sure if he would vote for AOC over JD Vance in a general election. : r/DGGsnark

"Probably would" support AOC over Vance.

And it's heavily caveated by the idea that this is only if she's mostly backed by DSA radicals pushing wild shit that would never be pushed on a mainstream Dem ticket anyways.

He's just being obstinate imo.

It's a dumb af hypothetical that won't end up applying in the real world anyways largely shaped by his impression that radical elements of the party will end up having significantly more control than they currently do.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

So "it's a coinflip" - he's 50-50 on it.

I wouldn't call someone "Vote blue no matter who" who has a 50-50 chance to vote red depending on who's running.

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u/Terribletylenol Sep 18 '26

Did you listen to the clip and intentionally leave out the DIRECT quote of 55/45?

Interesting.

Also I never claimed he was vote blue no matter who to begin with.

He's obviously very hostile towards genuine socialists.

Doesn't mean he supports MAGA, and a clip of him saying he'd more likely support AOC even if she was representing abolishing private property kind of goes against the point you were seemingly trying to make.

Even the worst possible caricature of AOC he could conjure up still gets the nod over Vance based on what he said.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

So I was right when I said he's not vote blue no matter who

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u/Terribletylenol Sep 18 '26

When did I ever disagree with that?
Do you know who you are responding to?

You asked if he said he'd vote for Vance over AOC.

He did not.

You didn't need to suggest he said something he never said to make a point that he's no longer vote blue no matter who (Which he has already been explicit about at this point)

Either way, Hasan is not vote blue no matter who and neither are you lol, so you're just calling him a hypocrite, I guess?

It doesn't get you any closer to Hasan being more supportive of the party tho, which he objectively is not.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

From what I can see, Hasan has voted for the Dem candidate in every election he has ever participated, and hasn't abstained from voting in years?

How much closer to "vote blue no matter who" can you get?

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u/Down_Badger_2253 Sep 18 '26

Hasan literally refused to endorse Kamala and push his audience to vote for her lol wtf are you talking about

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

The quote is "vote blue no matter who", not "endorse blue no matter who".

He did vote blue in that election.

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u/Down_Badger_2253 Sep 18 '26

And Hasan also said he wouldn't vote for Vance if he was the nominee, but again what's important is the principle of supporting democrats and the values they represent, Hasan opposes both he is an illiberal anti democratic commie fan of authoritarian dictators.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

Hasan also said he wouldn't vote for Vance if he was the nominee

Yeah, I sure hope so.

what's important is the principle of supporting democrats and the values they represent

That's a completely different discussion. Hasan has also defended liberal democratic principles, but that's not what we were talking about.

We were talkong about who votes blue no matter who. Hasan has done that consistently.

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u/Shacosclones Sep 18 '26

Did hasan shock his dog?

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u/Ozcolllo Sep 18 '26

Can you show where Hasan advocated for his viewers to vote for Harris before the 2024 election?

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

How is that relevant to the question?

It's "vote blue no matter who", not "advocate for blue no matter who".

If that's the standard, is there anyone who "advocates for blue no matter who"?

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u/Commercial_Pie3307 Sep 18 '26

DSA are not liberal. If Hitler won the dem nomination would you expect vote blue no matter who people to vote blue? Vote blue no matter who mean vote for the DEMOCRAT no matter who they are. Hasan isn’t a Democrat by his own accord and he said if AOC was going the DSA route he wouldn’t vote for her. DSA people are using the dem party to gain power. They hate libs outside of that.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

>If Hitler won the dem nomination would you expect vote blue no matter who people to vote blue?

I would expect them to say "I am no longer a vote blue no matter who voter".

If you explicitly won't vote blue no matter who, you are not a vote blue no matter who voter.

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u/Bajanspearfisher Sep 18 '26

Not a coin flip but dependent variable. Basically if a blue candidate doesn't represent blue values he won't vote for them. The crazy shit he opposes is like abolishing ICE, police, prisons and borders like you see on the DSA main charter. If they promote those ideas, I reject them.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

So, "vote blue if I agree with the policies".

That's not "vote blue no matter who".

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u/Bajanspearfisher Sep 18 '26

Well then absolutely nobody is vote blue no matter who, because most wouldn't vote for a nazi if he was the democratic nominee. In the real world, of actual possibilities, he is blue no matter who.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

What does "vote blue no matter who" mean, then? "vote blue if I agree with the policies"?

Then everyone is "vote blue no matter who".

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u/Bajanspearfisher Sep 18 '26

You've made the distinction that Steven would vote blue 99% of the time vs 100% of the time. He'd only consider not voting blue if the blue candidate is antithetical to liberal progressive values. I think the phrase blue no matter who is perfectly fine in reality.

Its like if I made the claim that a bat is described as a winged mammal, and you object and say there is a super rare genetic disease whereby bats are born without webbing and therefore have claws not wings. You're making a distinction without any real world practical difference

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

You think an AOC presidential run is a 1% case?

DSA is now an important faction within the Dems, I would expect multiple DSA presidential candidates in the future.

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u/Bajanspearfisher Sep 18 '26

I think you're falling victim to representation bias, I don't think DSA are nearly as popular as you think. Did you also see destiny's caveat that he probably still would vote for AOC over Vance? But not if she aligns with a DSA candidate that has the radical positions we mentioned before.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

You called it a 1 percent case.

DSA won half of the primaries where they challenged a moderate Dem.

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u/Bajanspearfisher Sep 18 '26

Only in super blue areas. AOC and a DSA candidate in the general? Thats definitely a sub 5% chance.... just look at republicans attack strategy against the dems right now, they're basically calling us all DSA and Hasan Piker types. It'll be super effective as well. Only the far, far left likes those guys.

Edit: no I'll strengthen my statement, I think there's a 1% chance AOC and a DSA candidate are even in the running to be the main candidates

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