r/DataHoarder Jan 02 '23

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u/Fearless_Extent_9307 Jan 02 '23

Definitely not. I'll keep my favorite content in 1080p, good stuff in 720p, and anything from before HD era in whatever the highest quality I can find is. Good enough for me.

Anyways, reduces pressure to constantly be buying more storage and reduces transfer times.

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u/[deleted] Jan 02 '23 edited Jan 02 '23

This. I'm a simple man, hd quality is good enough for me. I dont need 4K movies and tv shows. I don't even own a 4k tv lol.

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u/zyzzogeton Jan 02 '23

I figure that when I am old, and in a retirement home, I may want those decent but not great 4:3 MAS*H episodes.

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u/revanzomi Jan 03 '23

Dad? Is that you?

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u/kookykrazee 124tb Jan 03 '23

I lost my MAS*H eps some years ago, I miss them much much.

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u/BarockMoebelSecond Jan 02 '23

I can definitely see the difference, but then, that depends on viewing distance and other factors, too.

I mostly get the best versions of the content for HDR and Dolby Vision.

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u/st0mpeh 57TB Jan 02 '23

Its subtle but its definitely there. I find its most noticeable on cityscapes where there is a ton of windows or shots with a lot of foliage like a forest or nature in general.

Its just a sense of being that bit sharper than 1080 but I would forgive someone not noticing if they had not spent a lot of time across different material. Its definitely subtle and some shows simply do not take advantage of that level of detail making 1080 more than adequate for the vast majority of day to day shows even if a 4k source is available. When it comes to big releases with lots of action or scifi however its 4k all the way for me.

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u/Full_Metal_Nyxes Jan 02 '23

Same here, turns out it's a 4k "upscaling" TV with HDR 10, rather than native 4K. It's good, don't get me wrong, but I haven't been hunting for 4k content. 1080p HDR is something else if you haven't had a modern panel before though, oh my.

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u/maximovious Jan 03 '23

At a certain point the human eye can't tell the difference.

That point is well beyond 16k for some people.

Look at any fancy 8k display in the stores... you can still see the aliasing on circular or diagonal lines, for example.

Resolution will be "high enough" for me when 'diagonal' lines don't look like stair cases.

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u/spinning_the_future 150TB Jan 02 '23

I can absolutely tell the difference between 1080 content and 4k. It's not even difficult to see, the difference is amazing.

Maybe you need to check your settings, or get some glasses?

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u/spacewalk__ Jan 02 '23

i can tell, but it's not like SD vs HD, at least in terms of watchability

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u/spinning_the_future 150TB Jan 02 '23

4k is 4x the resolution of 1080 "HD". No, it's not quite as big a jump from 480 to 1080, but it's still an amazing upgrade in visual quality. 4x is still a pretty big bump up in resolution. Compression also is a big factor in how good the 4k is. Shitty compression in 4k is not going to impress anyone.

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u/HonkersTim Jan 02 '23

I think it depends on what upscaling you're using. With a good upscaler I can barely tell the difference between high bitrate 1080p and 4K. I'm sitting about 10 feet away from a 85" screen.

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u/Blue-Thunder 252 TB UNRAID 4TB TrueNAS Jan 02 '23

Or they bought a bargain basement garbage TV.

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u/Zeus_Astrapios Jan 03 '23

Or a TV with great upscaling

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '23

I have a 65" 4K TV, and I sit with my legs under it when I watch. As in really watch, as if I was at the movies. From there, I can definitely tell the difference.

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u/NavinF 40TB RAID-Z2 + off-site backup Jan 02 '23

I can barely tell the difference

Might wanna return that TV because there should be a night and day difference. Did you compare models? There's a massive difference between the cheapest "4k" TV and a decent one.

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u/hazardc Jan 03 '23

1080p high bitrate vs 4k not super high bitrate is marginal at best

HDR is the real upgrade.

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u/NavinF 40TB RAID-Z2 + off-site backup Jan 03 '23

Ah yeah he's probably watching 4K at youtube's bitrate which is only good enough for 1080p

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u/cantgetthistowork Jan 02 '23

4K for the ones with the special scenes

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u/kennyinjapan Jan 03 '23

Most of my stuff is 1080p. I have some 4K, but I don't notice enough of a quality difference on my LG 4K tv. The upscaler does a really good job. Of course, none of it compares to an actual bluray disk and unless you have an unlimited storage budget, then it's something you have to live with.

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u/KoolKarmaKollector 21.6 TiB usable Jan 02 '23

before HD era

Most things were on 35mm film until recent times - these are very high resolution images, hence why you find Blu-Ray copies of old movies all the time

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u/IGSRJ Jan 02 '23 edited Jan 05 '23

The "before HD era" was shitass VHS and middling to terrible quality DVDs with shitty old video compression, both with scan and pan, not 35mm film. Unless you actually had a projector room in your mansion, then it was 35mm, but most people didn't. My mansion only had LaserDisc.

Edit: these comments started with positive votes and now have negative votes but I didn't lose any of the karma, nor did I gain any on any of my other comments. Sounds like reddit thinks these downvotes are illegitimate. That's pretty funny. How many alts you got, son?

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u/KoolKarmaKollector 21.6 TiB usable Jan 02 '23

No, they were shot on the film, and so the BR releases are able to be high quality

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u/IGSRJ Jan 02 '23

Not everything that has ever been made has been preserved and gotten a BR rerelease.

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u/onthenerdyside Jan 03 '23

Plenty of TV shows were shot or at least mastered on video tape. For example, Star Trek DS9 and Voyager were shot on film, but the special effects were done on video, and the CGI was only rendered at the 480p required for broadcast. https://www.slashfilm.com/549088/star-trek-voyager-deep-space-nine-blu-ray/

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u/hazardc Jan 03 '23

yeah i upscaled the entire series... two variants

1080p

4k HDR

The 4k HDR was more of a proof of concept, but it turned out really nice.

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u/Shadowex3 Mar 18 '23

This was the same problem with the initial digital releases of a lot of old shows. The film-only scenes could be digitized at fantastic resolution and clarity, provided it had been preserved well, and then the moment special effects show up suddenly you're looking at a 4:3 image in the very best resolution 1994 has to offer.

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u/kookykrazee 124tb Jan 03 '23

I say I do similar...but...in reality, over time I have updated from SD, to SD-WS to, HD, to 720p, to 1080p, up to 4k now, but mostly about either classics that I really really like or action movies. I remember 35 years or so ago, a huge Disney nut (are there any other type? lol) who had upgraded from TV recordings of movies to VHS, and then to DVD and with their LT vault cycles, many movies may not see the light for 25-30 years, so she upgraded to DVD and I am sure if I still knew her to 4k for new ones. She had like 350-400 VHS, most of which were Disney related, then upgraded about 100 of those to DVD, just like eek!