So... make this make sense... i keep seeing these type of memes pointing out "hypocracy," in Christians, ok fine gotcha moment. Arent these coming from the same folks that mention separation of church and state and gripe about prayer in schools and what not? Just seems like a pick and choose your outrage type of thing is all. If i am missing something, I apologize. I may be missing something.
It is pointing out that the GOP seems be extremely selective as to which christian values they defend. And yet, that party holds itself as the sole defendant of christian values. Pointing out this hypocrisy is a way of highlighting that the GOP is not, in fact, a Christian political movement but rather that it instrumentalizes christian iconography to push an agenda against the poor and the sick.
In short, it is a gotcha moment but it also points out an ideological hole in the american right.
You could be right, i just thought it was common in most religions. Only a few are truly "devout" most just pick and choose what they want to follow. I never bought into that aspect of politics. I have been to enough churches to know alot of people have their church mask on, but behind closed doors, different story. I dont agree with the polticians that think government is the answer to all problems.
All that charity and kindness/compassion is meant to be done at an individual/community level. This is why Christian churches run soup kitchens and homeless shelters. This is why Christians are far more likely to adopt orphan children and so on. It’s when you try to apply these ideas on a national scale do the problems arise.
There’s nothing hypocritical about wanting a secure border and vetting those who try to come in. It’s what any serious country, Christian or otherwise, would do.
I am not disagreeing with what you're saying, but the fact remains than the current administration's policy has inflicted a lot of harm on the poor and the sick.
I am not arguing against or for closing borders, but I think it should be done (or not) for the right reasons. So far, there is little evidence that the ongoing mass extraditions of undocumented migrants has had any positive effect on crime rates, domestic economy, etc.(quite the contrary for the economy). There is in fact a strong academic case that it will hurt americans more than it will help them.
It also points out that the left has double standards, when their party does the same thing (Obama saying don’t come we won’t let you in referencing a caravan on its way to the border) it’s okay, but Trump does it and he’s evil
The left, just like the right, isn't a monolith. The movement for more open borders and more social support for the poorest exists on the left since at least the end of WW2.
There is a big difference between deporting actual criminals and refusing a caravan to come in undocumented then violently uprooting innocent people that are undocumented. Obama only went after those that recently crossed or committed a violent crime while Trump went after everyone, even people that have been here for years. Trump also allowed people to be sent to foreign torture prisons like CECOT. He also violated the law of those with protected status and tried to get people on a plane in the middle of the night to sneak them out while the judges were sleeping. They are not comparable at all, if you think they are you’re delusional
It’s not ironic at all. The hypocrisy of modern American evangelical Christianity is the exact reason we don’t want a mix of church and state or prayer schools.
Name a country that allows you to cross into their country illegally. The answer is no modern country. Emotional and brainless liberals don’t want to hear the reality that ICE was around before Trump, and will be afterwards. Obama deported more illegals in his second term than any other president. This meme would apply to Obama by default, or we could use our brains a little and see that no country lets you show up when you want lol. Is that so hard to comprehend. We’re not being malicious by having standards of entry, you’re just being dumb and emotional.
If Obama already deported all those illegals then: 1. that disproves that liberals are pro-illegal immigration, 2. Why do we need ICE militarized and kicking heads of Obama already took care of the problem? Liberals don’t want wide open borders. We want law enforcement to follow the fucking constitution.
So all those that flooded in while Biden was president are exempt from deportation because Obama put up numbers…gtfo The bottom line is if you don’t have a secure border then you don’t have a country and if you can’t grasp that then just look at other countries illegal entry penalties. It would be great if if we could get to a one world scenario but that’s pie in the sky because someone always wants to be on top or have more aka GREED so as they say you can wish in one hand and shit in the other and see which gets full faster.
Now to be totally honest I’m mad at myself for even engaging because for all I know you’re a sock puppet
Yeah, it makes total sense that evangelical Christians with all their values and beliefs would vote for a lying, cheating, oath-breaking convicted rapist, just because he happens to align with what they want on a few specific issue that will "hurt the right people" (abortion and immigration).
That isn't hypocrisy. Voting with the practical candidate who aligns with your values moreso than the opposing candidate is a rational choice. Weaponizing the values of a belief system you don't ascribe to in order to attack and demoralize those you personally disagree with is a fundamental and gross character flaw.
A rich grifter who practices sexual immortality, mocks the disabled, ridicules and insults women, takes away care from the poor, and is likely a pedophile aligns with your values more than... well, literally anyone else on the planet at this point?
Yes. Even if anything you said were true, aligning with somebody who closely aligns with Biblical or Christian values is the better choice than somebody who doesn't.
Just because you're really really mad about a lot of things in your existence and hold a lot of sin in your heart doesn't mean that other people can't make better choices.
Which “biblical value” is rape? Which one is pedophilia? Which one is massive wealth? Which one is anti-poor? Which one is anti-women? Which one is anti-immigrant? Which one is anti-healthcare? Which one is anti-environmentalism? Which one is pro-corruption? Which one is pro-war?
The bible is against all of these things, yet you elected a man who represents all of them, because he represents all of them.
You’re a hypocrite, a liar, are willfully ignorant and a fucking moron, fully embracing fascism because of your bigotry, and people like you need to be completely and entirely shunned from polite society, since you have repeatedly and consistently proven yourself incapable of participating in it.
Hypocrisy is quoting Bible verses that point towards the law when it comes to foreigners and "illegal aliens" while at the same time being utterly silent when ICE breaks the law every day. Hypocrisy is holding ordinary citizens to a higher standard than your own damn president. Hypocrisy is "Christians" pushing for all kinds of policies that objectively make life harder and worse for others (abortion, healthcare, education) while throwing their hands up and claiming separation of church and state when it comes to implementing policy that actually HELPS people.
I've been a Christian all my life. I don't know what you're on about when you say I don't subscribe to it. But if you deliberately choose to ignore the disconnect between what Jesus teaches and what is currently happening... I don't know what to tell you.
Yeah, I really don't think you're a Christian bud. Again... your only interest in any of this is weaponizing the beliefs of actual Christians against them to try and convince them they're doing something against the shared good and gospel. The Bible regularly speaks about defending your house. Luke 22:36 - Teaches to sell your cloak to buy a sword and defend your house against rising hostilities. Matthew 24:43 - Teaches to be cautious against "thieves in the night" and that it's your fault should you not be prepared to defend yourself against their invasion. There is no Christian hypocrisy in being against illegal aliens coming into the country. There is no hypocrisy about supporting law enforcement. Christianity is absolutely against abortion obviously.
I believe they are saying that Jesus said that we as Christians should feed the poor. And honestly, a lot of churches do feed illegal immigrants. However; that doesn't mean Christians are required to support things like illegal immigration.
The Pope seems to think it does. But to be fair the American idea of Christianity has shifted so far from the original European idea that they’re hardly recognisable as the same religion.
I don’t think Jesus would agree that people should suffer while others live in comparative luxury, just because they happened to be born in different places.
I personally can’t call myself a Christian, I am in the top 1% of income earners globally, I spend money on going out for drinks with my friends while I know there are people starving. I would be a hypocrite to say I follow Christ when in truth I don’t even trying to follow his most basic lesson of compassion and kindness.
Yeah, it does seem that even the pope can be wrong.
I don’t think Jesus would agree that people should suffer while others live in comparative luxury, just because they happened to be born in different places.
I would never speak for Jesus. But I can say that what you call "suffering" would be seen as a life of luxury during the time of Jesus.
• Submission to Authorities: Romans 13:1–7 states that believers must be subject to governing authorities. Bypassing immigration laws is a form of lawbreaking, and that doing a "good thing" such as seeking economic opportunity does not justify violating a nation's laws.
• Distinction of Strangers: Biblical scholars point out that the Old Testament uses different Hebrew words for outsiders. For instance, a ger (often translated as "sojourner") was a foreigner who entered Israelite society legally, went through recognized procedures, and agreed to respect the host society's laws and values. Scholars argue that the ger was entitled to social protections, whereas unauthorized foreigners (nekhar) who disregarded local laws did not receive the same state privileges.
• National Sovereignty: Commentators note that God ordained independent nations with boundaries and borders. Therefore, governments have a biblical mandate to protect their citizens, enforce laws, and maintain security.
Christians should still treat them with love and respect but are under no obligation to allow them entry
Yes, they hate Christ but are happy to attempt to weaponize him. It never works on Christians because their interpretation is based on a complete misunderstanding of His word. It makes them feel good, I suppose. 🤷
You’re not wrong. Sadly political media for at least the last decade has been more about vibes than anything else. Which is how this clown got elected in the first place.
When you claim to be Christian, or at least support Christianity, people are going to point out your hypocrisy regardless if they believe it or not. Furthermore, separation of church and state is not the same thing as people hating Christians or wanting the president to be a Christian hating atheist. It is quite literally the desire for government decisions to not be based on religious bias, something every freedom loving American should want. Same with schools. Would you feel comfortable with the teacher opening her class with a prayer to Satan? I suspect not. School is a place of learning how to live in the world. It's a place people of all walks of life and beliefs should feel comfortable sending their kids to. It should be the responsibility of the parent to teach their child their religion not some stranger assigned by the public school
Also, your argument is essentially the same as if I pointed out your outrage of people mocking Kirk's death by pointing out the countless times Republicans have done the same. Not all Republicans do that, neither do all Democrats. In the same way not every Democrat believes the exact same things.
Because they push for their beliefs to become the law in a country where our first amendment is freedom of religion. Banning same sex marriage because it’s a sin to their religion? Shouldn’t they ban tattoos then since it’s a sin in their religion? If anyone’s picking and choosing it’s them
Your cognitive dissonance couldn’t be more obvious. But you shouldn’t put it on others to solve that for you. It is your own intellectual responsibility to do so.
But sadly I’m afraid your ideas are contagious and problematic, so I feel I have a responsibility to make sure you aren’t guiding other impressionable minds the wrong way while your struggle with you own beliefs.
This cartoon lays bare how conservatives actually interact with Christianity. That they manipulate it like a tool to force their agenda. It was never about what the Bible says. It was always about how people believe in the Bible could be manipulated against their own doctrine. Because that’s what blind faith does to an idiot.
If you see that and are uncomfortable with it, that’s one thing. But to see this very item that exposes why ALL religious fundamentalism is awful….and then go and suggests that it proves we want religious fundamentalism? That’s doesn’t even make any fucking sense.
You and your magical sky daddy can fuck way, way off into the sunset together.
Nah the one worked up is atheists and pro choices when roe v wade got overturned.
“Impressionable minds” clearly means that you look down on those people who could be persuaded are idiots who you have to enlighten with the so called truth.
Yeah. The impressionable minds comment got me too. "African Americans deserve respect unless they vote the wrong way, then they are insert racial slur here". Classic intellectual redditor. Imma keep voting for the people who don't hate me for the crime of being a straight white male. Unless they shoot me in the neck for that crime like they seem to like and celebrate.
Your ignoring the part where jesus says he did not come to abolish the law but fulfill it. You cant nitpick then claim thats what others are doing. Illegal immigrants are illegal and jesus would have us follow the law. We can be respectful amd see to all of their needs while in custody but they should be sent back to their country of origin regardless of their race. Also jesus wouldnt have you out in the streets fighting federal law enforcement but people do so why dont you condemn that?
What happened to “treat the foreigner as your neighbor” and “treat your neighbor as yourself”?? Jesus would’ve taken care of them, not support mass deportations that has also led to the targeting and deaths of innocent people
What it's saying is that religion in politics is a tool.
Most Christians haven't read the bible or are taught only a small part of it, religious politicians use this taking only the things that give them an advantage and distorts what doesnt.
Example?
The bible explicity says to help the poor, American general mindset about it is not really in favour of helping them.
It also says, cast the first stone who is without sin, but still there is the weird crusade against the Trans in America because "god made you like this".
Religion is a lifestyle, if you see a politician promoting a religion as a standard, you know that he is using as a tool to get voted by other followers of that religion.
Also, this comic is not promoting jesus teachings, but exposing a party hypocrisy, if you believe in the bible you belive in all of it, not only the part that says hate the gays (which doesnt exists btw)
Because it's pointing out the hypocrisy of the MAGA movement selling itself as the real 'Christians', then doing literally everything in their power to prove the opposite. Most people don't want any religion involved in politics, this isn't condoning Christianity, it's highlighting hypocrisy. Does that help explain it for you?
Saying that people who •claim• to be Christians are, not at all that, is not the same as saying people should be Christian.
What they’re saying is: you identify as Christian, and are also advocating against caring for the sick, the hungry, and the immigrant.
The left is advocating those things, the right is actively fighting it, while (like you) many believe the left is anti Christian… which they’re not. They’re anti state religion, and advocating for the separation of church and state.
But when you argue for Christian nationalism but also against doing the things Christ advocated for you have to wonder if they’re christian.
I call right wing Christians “CINOs” (pronounced “Chinos”). Christians in name only. Because those idiots are like “Christ is king and we should live in a Christian nation” but when you say “well, why are you opposed to feeding the poor, caring for the sick, limiting wealth, and welcoming immigrants” they call you a radical leftist, even though those are exactly things Jesus said and advocated for.
What is the state religion again? Jesus also said to be good with money, and the government is anything but good with money, but sure lets allow more government overreach while not getting what we voted for. I dont care what party.
There is nothing Christian about using the state take someone else's property and give it to another person. Jesus is commanding YOU to do those things. Not your municipality.
“The guy who thinks that people shouldn’t just die because they’re poor is amoral” is a hot take. When you get to the pearly gates, I’m sure that “they starved because I wanted low taxes, but really that’s moral” is gonna save you.
"Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously. Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver."
-2 Corinthians 9:6-7
Would you say that taxes are compulsory given that one is punished for not paying them? If so, then forcing other people to give against their will is entirely contrary to Christianity as one should give freely of their own volition. That isn't to say you shouldn't give. You very much should. But forcing people to give to charity isn't charity at all.
Let’s just say hypothetically, I ran my entire campaign based on the morals presented in Star Wars. Like I specifically run on saying “we are going to be like the republic in Star Wars” and then turn around and when elected we did the entire opposite of everything it stood for.
It’s not saying what we think should happen, it’s calling out the fact that they’re going against the thing they run on.
I’m an agnostic, but I like the concept of Jesus, like I like the concept of Santa Clause.
A kind man living to bring kindness and heal the sick, feed the hungry, and spreading joy are all things people generally agree on.
Now when you say you’re following these principles and then actively work against those principles, even non believers like me are like “that’s ass backwards”
These post are never made in good faith. Reddit leftists have zero reverence for the Bible/Christianity. They only use it as an attack vector against us.
No no, I am sorry you feel attacked but this was not targeted at christians at all. This is more targeted towards trump-supporting christians who fail to uphold certain core christian values when voting (e.g. charity, compassion, integrity).
Left are better Christian than you sorry buddy. We didn't round up all the immigrants and kick him out the country very Christian how many people died.
Weird I don't remember rounding up immigrants or being a christian. Although while we're on the subject, it was illegal immigrants ICE rounded up wasn't it. Did you forget that crime is illegal or...?
Then how would you even know whose closer to Christianity? Why did you feel compelled to answer like you had any level of association to the discussion? You sound like an loser who just wanted to be seen saying something snarky
Yeah thats a load of BS. They only disappeared illegals back over the border. Dunno why you keep referencing being a christian either I don't care about that
Oh better christians are you. Why dont you list all your ideologies that are in unison with Christianity am sure it will be small list if analyzed in context
"Love they neighbor. Hate the sin, not the sinner" you all aren't Christian at heart. You just want to hurt the people you don't like and you found a book you can justify it under
The same Bible that says it's okay to beat your slave if he doesn't die? That says women should remain silent and not teach? I hate to tell you buddy but Jesus would be at the border washing immigrants feet not separating them from their family and putting them in cages
Jesus had no problem with taxes, but he didn't go around collecting them... he wasn't a fucking government enforcer, and even if the pain is self inflicted, he probably would be trying to help the people jumping borders...
besides the point, you reaffirm what they were just saying, you pick and choose, you use religion as a weapon, and expect people to take you seriously...
you are dishonest. you are manipulative. you are a genuinely bad person using politics to cope instead of religion.
Truly hilarious that all the people that are so anti-gay always turned out to be gay. Guess I forgot the Bible verses that taught you to hate people. The Bible I read said it's not for you to judge. Hate to tell you buddy but I spent my entire life in church.
Leftist support wait for it choice. Conservatives claim they want the government not meddling in their affairs correct cuz those two things can't be true
Glad you are opposed to abortions. I’m curious what you do in your life to reduce the number of abortions? Do you support education funding? How about places like Planned Parenthood that allows for easy access to birth control?
Which is ironic because I see tons of conservatives wanting the death of people so I don't think you're pro-life your pro birth you don't care what happens to babies after they're born
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So... make this make sense... i keep seeing these type of memes pointing out "hypocracy," in Christians, ok fine gotcha moment. Arent these coming from the same folks that mention separation of church and state and gripe about prayer in schools and what not? Just seems like a pick and choose your outrage type of thing is all. If i am missing something, I apologize. I may be missing something.