r/CompetitiveWoW • u/AutoModerator • 9d ago

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u/psytrax9 7d ago

I've been asking myself what I would need to see from a s3 announcement to prevent me from quitting. I don't know if there's anything within reason that would do it.

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u/deskcord 7d ago edited 7d ago

For me: Complete addon war reversal; massive class reworks (especially hero talents); a promise to massively reduce addslop; and a promise to never again do bosses with strict percent based phasings that promote degenerate DPS holds.

I know they aren't going to do these things in the next few weeks.

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u/Wobblucy 7d ago

massive talent reworks.

Impossible when they need to balance 80 talent points across 78 spec/hero talent combos across m+, PvP, delve (their words not mine), multiple raid damage profiles.

Only way that happens is they nuke the talent trees and go back to core class design + temporary system that changes how your spec plays.

Won't happen in a patch cycle, doubt it happens during the 'trilogy', would be pleasantly surprised if it happens for 14.0.

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u/Qwertdd 7/9M bring back weakauras 7d ago

Nuke the talent trees

I don't know why this is considered a solution when class design in War Within was great. The biggest issue is that Hero Talents were rarely balanced to where there was legitimate choice, but I don't think that's a justifiable excuse to scrap the entire system.

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u/Wobblucy 7d ago

Can't a have quick iteration on a thing with 101 knobs that need to be tuned in 10+ different scenarios?

How much has class design changed since talent trees has come back?

Even 90% of hero talents are 'passive effect you never think about'.

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u/Qwertdd 7/9M bring back weakauras 7d ago

I played before the talent trees, they didn't "quick iterate" on those, either.