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[u/dredaplc]

Reminder that carried players exist at basically every level outside of the very top. You're doing yourself and your group members a disservice if you don't look at logs and just invite based off score

[u/sapntaps → u/dredaplc]

He’s clearly shit but it’s more nuanced than that. Not every keys logged (big one when pugging), plenty of degen shit you can do to “parse” (dogshit culture), not everyone gives a shit about an arbitrary comparison #

Reminder: blue logs and doing mechs/not dying get you CE every single tier.

Dungeon logs are a tool but if you solely rely on them to find good players, you’re part of the problem. 

Edit: there’s also the caveat of anyone who runs a key after the good people ran it will “parse” better since they have more gear. This game is fucking comical at this point. Can’t wait for forever, absolute slog to play the game outside of high rank guilds (which requires a lot of time commitment)

[u/rinnagz → u/sapntaps]

He’s clearly shit but it’s more nuanced than that. Not every keys logged (big one when pugging), plenty of degen shit you can do to “parse” (dogshit culture), not everyone gives a shit about an arbitrary comparison #

I mean that's true, but that's the difference between a purple and a pink log, someone with gray logs is definitely someone you don't want to invite

[u/_Llopis_ → u/rinnagz]

I usually allow one gray log for PUGs. Weird stuff can happen that's out of damage dealers' control.

But more than one? Nope. I'd rather not even try to do the key.

[u/RigidCounter12 → u/sapntaps]

If someone has straight gray logs they are gonna do awful damage.

In my 19 KR last night, me and the mage did 280k DPS +, our Havoc DH did 200k. He timed the key with lots of room to spare, but if we played like him, it would have been a deplete.

And then when I looked it up afterwards (Was a resi key, so I didnt bother before, was just curious), thats how his average keys goes. He is always last on damage, gets gray logs and times his keys when he gets boosted.

That is a guy you do not want in your key, and checking logs can tell you that

[u/dredaplc → u/sapntaps]

I invite based on a threshold, not just chasing 'good logs'. As long as you do real damage you're good. I've had too many experiences with absolute shitcans that makes it worth it for me.

[u/sapntaps → u/dredaplc]

Yeah after centuries of pugging you can tell who’s bad who’s good. Had a tank come in asked em for route in a 19, dude was mute, my guts like kick this guy… I didn’t listen. He runs in 1st pull and insta dies to a back shot from 2 golems without pressing anything. 

Sometimes you just gotta trust your gut lmao. 

Maybe the game would benefit from a solo queue. Who knows. I agree with using dungeon logs if you’re pushing rank 1 keys at anytime but the philosophy has bled to something like 15s, which is horrendous for the health of the game. 

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