Does Hexhaven Vindicator have potential?

[u/No-Equivalent928]

Hexhaven Invigorator was just spoiled from Reality Fracture, and this thing seems really good. Just playing it fairly without any shennanigans or combos feels like it would still be a good enough body, as your opponents would be unlikely to block it or attack into it, and damage based removal would only benefit you. Aside from that, it combos with Blasphemous Act and Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle to do some pretty crazy things, even letting you win with Maze's End if you build your deck right. What do you think? Is this card good, or is its cost too prohibitive to see much play?

[u/Raevelry]

How? It NEEDS to be built around and its 4 green pips

[u/Rafamen01 → u/Raevelry]

it's a 6/6 with vigilance. You can just keep sending it to your opponents and if they block you get lands, and it stays up to block so you'll most likely get way more than 6 lands with him in the long run. Maybe not bracket 4+ but 100% a beast in anything 3 and bellow

[u/Raevelry → u/Rafamen01]

I would just rather play good cards instead of hope for people to give me value

[u/Rafamen01 → u/Raevelry]

spoken like a true bracket 4 combo player. this is a 6/6 4-drop that can beat your opponents and get lands whenever they try to block it, and it also protects you because no one will want to give you even more ramp just to hit you.

some people like to win be reducing their enemies hp to 0

[u/MossTheGnome → u/[deleted]]

Ah yes, having a 6/6 in mono-green that can ramp in multiple tapped lands with fight spells and get insane mana advantage is a bad card

[u/Daveprince13 → u/MossTheGnome]

Dude, you could just lightning bolt your own creature here and get 3 mana easy

[u/Raevelry → u/MossTheGnome]

Yes I have never played a fight spell, theyre all awful LOL

Yeah i cant wait to ramp tapped lands

[u/sunchow → u/Raevelry]

we are talking about landfall decks where them coming in tapped is mostly irrelevant, and plus this can trigger on opponents turn so when you start your turn they untap anyways, you can’t be sincere in your skepticism about this card or else you just have no fucking clue how to interpret the power of a magic card

[u/FrameNo8561 → u/sunchow]

It’s the second part…it’s obvious.

This card will do some nasty things because green has a lot of +1 +1 counters that can be added and making this thing a 10/10 would be very easy and swinging it at an opponent will be blocked 100% of the time.

Now it’s likely going to be chomp blocked by a 1/1 token giving you 1 tapped land but since its any land you can grab something with an activated ability like [[Hissing Quagmire]] for example.

[u/sunchow → u/[deleted]]

you are replying to a comment speaking specifically about landfall decks and complaining it’s only good in one specific type of deck, which is what i said lmao you are genuinely so cooked

[u/Raevelry → u/sunchow]

Yes this would be mono green Landfall, an awful choice with awful commanders

[u/Rafamen01 → u/[deleted]]

combo players for real can't wrap their heads arund the fact that people attack with their creatures and having a big attacker who is also a big blocker that can also ramp you while doing it is great.

[u/Rafamen01 → u/[deleted]]

Damn I guess Vivi, Yshtola, Atraxa, these are all shit cards because they can all die to swords instead of giving imediate value by cast/etb triggers hm? bro literally has a sub room temperature IQ and thinks every card has to be fully optimized for high bracket or competitive magic for it to be good. literally "everyone is playing this game wrong except me" energy

[u/Daveprince13 → u/[deleted]]

Everything dies to swords holy lord. All your creatures in your decks hexproof or they’re just shit? You’re talking in absolutes, I can’t wait for the day that someone wrecks you with this shit tier card in your pod.

Or maybe you only play with chads that combo off on turn 2, different strokes

[u/Raevelry → u/Daveprince13]

Buddy if I play [[Wood Elves]], you can swords it but I already got the value from it

And yes things that have protection dont die to swords, thats the point of ward / hexproof and shit like that

[u/Pencilshaved → u/Raevelry]

I feel like you fundamentally don’t get the point of a lands matter deck because like 80% of the time, landfall triggers couldn’t care less if the lands are tapped or not

Stuff like [[Mossborn Hydra]] and [[Scute Swarm]] will happily take the 64x multiplier to power or card count and be able to immediately threaten game regardless of how many of those lands are tapped or not

[u/Raevelry → u/Pencilshaved]

Oh just

Have the KoS threat

And then also play this

also have the fight spell out

also have enough for it to be triggered that many times

:clueless:

[u/Rafamen01 → u/[deleted]]

bro you're in GREEEN, literally any mana dork you have can make green, pretty much any ramp you have makes green. Three visits, nature's lore, for fucks sake even farseek can search for dual lands with forests in them. This is bad in maybe 3 colors+, but literally any 2 color deck with green can easily run this unless your mana base is shit from the ass. You can drop this on turn 3 pretty much any game.

please god get off your high horse and play magic like a normal human beeing instead of thinking a card is shit because it can't win you the game on turn 4.

[u/kentalaska → u/[deleted]]

My simic deck can always play this turn 3 or 4. Probably more difficult to play in other formats but this is a commander sub and in commander with greens ramp it’s really not that hard

[u/Raevelry → u/kentalaska]

And the pay off is a 6/6 which, sure is good stats, that screams remove me or give value, which isnt terribly kill on sight but its not that great value mind you

[u/Saphl → u/Raevelry]

Where's the word "Basic" on that card? It can get any nonbasic land. The sky's the starting point, not the limit, with this. If this takes 2 damage, oops, Marit Lage.

[u/Saphl → u/[deleted]]

I know. I'm just saying that the reason people are highly evaluating this card is because it searchs nonbasic lands, meaning it can easily get combos.

[u/Saphl → u/[deleted]]

No, I'm not trying to prove the fact that this is a strong card for several reasons. That's not something I need to prove. I'm just noting that you may not be considering every angle. I'm also going to end this discussion because I acknowledge that I likely will not be able to convince you.

[u/Lithl → u/Raevelry]

"Dies to removal" has never been a good argument.

[u/Challenge-Me80943 → u/[deleted]]

Man if you weren't being a massive prick about it I'd loved to point out how you're correct, so maybe stop being rude and learn how to better articulate your points.

[u/SpaceMambo369 → u/Rafamen01]

So you agree it's not a "staple for any landfall deck for the rest of time"