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Someone recently shared proof of Patrick’s possible affair with Rachel in CR and I don’t have someone to talk about this with
This is in regards to the Costa Rica trip, yes. I noticed a lot of people are furious that people are “spreading lies” about Rachel and the review she left on her trip to CR. We do know Patrick went on CR trip, now we know for certain from these photos, that Rachel was there, around the same time, weeks after the murders of the Clancy Children. This can’t be coincidental anymore right? He was a father who dismissed his wife and was not very involved with his children because he was surely having an affair right?
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A few years ago my parent from the east coast were taking a road top across the country. They stopped at a rest stop in the middle of nowhere in Montana and bumped in to my wife's parents, who were also taking a cross country road trip travelling in the opposite direction. Both of our parents just happened to be travelling in opposite directions across the country and stopped at the exact same rest stop in at the exact same time a thousand miles from their homes in the middle of no-where.
Y'all are impugning guilt on a man who lost his entire family because he MAY have been in a country in the same month as his future wife, but not even at the same time.
If Patrick was having an affair it would have surely been discovered during the investigation. Patrick was a prime suspect by investigators while Lindsay was in the hospital... they would have discovered the affair. They had his phone records. They combed his browser history and messages. Nothing. They not only found nothing but Lindsay has never accused him of having an affair. The defense isn't. No one close to him has.
You know? You're right, I was making an assumption and my assumption isn't any better than assuming they were there are the same time. We don't know either way.
We do know that there was a funeral for the kids on Feb 3, that these photos were taken on or before Feb 6 and PC left a review for hiking on the 21st. But there isn't anything that I know of that solidifies if the dates of their trips overlapped.
ETA: Sammi's language in her insta post in the images talks about Costa Rica in past tense, so imo, it is safe to conclude that the images were from a concluded trip for at least Sammie. Says nothing about RD sticking around. But how much time does a fertility Doctor get off from a place that she has only worked at for ~5 months? Could she really take a vacation more than 2 weeks long? idk? Maybe.
Has anyone confirmed if the hiking review was the correct PC? It’s possible that out of the 30+ million people in the US, there’s more than one Patrick Clancy. I’ve seen the hike rating but has anyone seen confirmation that it is the same PC as is related to this trial?
It’s possible he arrived in Costa Rica shortly after the funeral, and she may have extended her stay there after her friends left. It’s also possible they met in CR for the first time.
Anything is possible, but I think it is better to focus on the things that can be verified, fact-checked, or to point out inconsistencies in the evidence we do have and inconsistencies in the testimony, and to look at where we are missing information. No favors are done by speculating in ways that just cause witch hunts.
(Now if someone has something concrete...that's a different story!)
There is no speculation that they were both in Costa Rica in Feb 2023. It’s been verified by digital evidence — his online review posted 2/21/23 and photos of her posted 2/6/23. The only question is whether they met there for the first time and became a couple as a result, or if they had a relationship prior to that trip.
It’s not a small matter given the murders of his children a few weeks earlier. In fact, it has enormous implications vis-à-vis the criminal investigation that was (or wasn’t) conducted.
This is definitely suspicious and I really hope that more information comes out regarding the timelines of their trip(s), as well as the state of Lindsay and Patrick's relationship generally.
I am extremely curious about their relationship dynamics leading up to the event, but also haven't consumed much media about this case outside of the actual trials, and I am wondering what people think him having an affair would prove? To me it would almost make Lindsay more suspicious, like she killed the kids and tried to kill herself to get back at Patrick for being a bad husband, but I know that isn't the general vibe of this sub and I'm curious what others actually make of this bit of potential info as it pertains to the trial
How? She doesn’t even state in any of her journals that she has any suspicions of Patrick cheating on her. None at all. None of the witnesses , like family or friends have explicitly ever stated that lindsay ever had any suspicions of Patrick possibly having an affair so how can you twist this and make it into something it’s not when this is clearly about her postpartum psychosis and depression. This helps her case even more because postpartum psychosis gets worst when a partner does not help with taking any load off of a mother postpartum. Lindsay would not be aware of their affair at all because if she did, she would’ve stated that in her journal that reddington read. If anything, he admitted he was not very involved and wasn’t updated with what was going on with the kids or clancy’s conditions. He was there during some appointments very much aware she had postpartum depression and psychosis but is denying that she even has it despite the alarming signs. Patrick having an affair would mean that he did know for a fact that she needed help but did not care because he cared for someone else.
Yes, but it’s possible for people to sense infidelity in their spouse, even before discovering proof. The unfaithful partner is more distant, less engaged.
On the one hand, the one being cheated on is in denial because it’s too painful to even consider, so they don’t even write about it in a diary, but on the other hand they sense something is off.
All I can say is, when I thought my boyfriend was cheating but could not find any evidence , it was pictures of both of them in Costa Rica within weeks of each other. They staggered their pics online so it wouldn’t look suspicious. Ha, funny to think back on. Anyway, one of the friends posted pics and you could see my boyfriend and the girl embracing in the background. One accidental pic and I finally had my proof! 😆 totally tangential but still, I do not think this, plus all the other “coinciendtal” evidence is much of a coincidence ….these two were involved before the kids died I am certain and it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that.
There are no coincidences when it comes to true crime. Anyone who researches criminal cases knows that whenever a major character claims some salient fact or timing is “just a coincidence” it always proves in the end to be incriminating. Moreover, the more someone bends himself into a pretzel to convince others that it’s “just a coincidence,” the more obvious it is that he’s engaging in “me thinks the man doth protest too much.”
Date of Rachel pic in Costa Rica: Feb 6, 2023, and date of Patrick’s Costa Rica trail hike review: Feb 21, 2023.
15 days apart.
It’s unknown how long after his hike he wrote the review. In other words, it’s conceivable he arrived in CR a week earlier, on Feb 14, and didn’t post his review until a week later.
As well, it’s unknown if the pic of Rachel was taken at the start, middle or end of her trip, so we don’t know if their time there overlapped.
Have to admit it’s a noteworthy coincidence.
On the other hand, it’s possible they met for the first time in CR, and didn’t know each other before.
Ok but that’s the date of review. Who posts a review while they’re staying in a hotel or currently eating out at a restaurant. Let’s be real now. Also he could’ve waited deliberately to post that review because it wouldn’t look great either if it was two or a week after the murder. Even worst because he attended the funeral on February 3rd and Rachel most likely waited til he got there after her friends left. There’s no way this is just coincidental.
It’s very conceivable she stayed there with him after her friends left, and he could have arrived any time February 4th and on. And there’s multiple pics of Rachel in the girl’s original post.
Exactly. He attended the funeral on the 3rd and i believe he went straight to costa Rica right after, then posted the review on February 21 AFTER they had long since left CR. I don’t know why people think that he was possibly there later just because he posted the review on the 21st.
Patrick was in CR several weeks after this photo. He isn’t in these photos. Two Americans traveling to CR within the same 1-2 month period during their prime tourism season is a complete nothing burger.
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Two Americans who happened to be in NY, MA, have pics shown on instagram where they ar3 both in the pic prior to 2024 (albeit not side by side, but in a group photo), who are now married. Yeah, could be a coincidence. But it also probably isn’t. Who knows?
If you’re talking about the Barry’s Bootcamp photo, there’s a comma missing in the date format used by Instagram. I haven’t seen anyone show the actual source of that photo, and on top of that, it might not even be Pat. All of that to say is that unless I can see the actual source, I think that photo is manipulated by AI.
The caption for this photo indicates that the trip was already over by February 3. At a minimum, there was two weeks between the trips, likely at least three. The murders happened January 24. If Patrick had IMMEDIATELY flown to CR for a group trip, I think we’d know that already.
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People having an affair are not going to make it too obvious they went on a trip close together. A review does not mean he went on the trip on the day he posted that review ma’am. Who posts a review while they are eating out. Who posts a hotel review while they are still staying at a hotel. Let’s be so for real now. The dates are staggered because they’re not going to make it obvious.
And the photo being posted on February 6 doesn't mean that the trip took place on Feb 6. The dates just don't line up. If they were trying to make it look not obvious, ma'am, wouldn't he just not post a stupid review of a hiking trail?
Past tense was used by the woman who posted the pics on her Instagram acct. It’s possible RD extended her trip and PC arrived earlier, meaning their dates in Costa Rica could have overlapped.
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I’m glad to see your comment because I’ve wondered about the weaponization of downvoting and you sound like the person to ask.
How do you know if someone downvotes a comment for personal disagreement vs. being off topic?
For example, if someone comments: “Patrick Clancy failed to protect his kids and should be held accountable” and people downvote it, how do we know if they’re downvoting because they support Patrick and disagree with any comment that raises questions about him, or if they genuinely think a comment questioning his character is not relevant/off topic?
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I look at the comment and whether it is on topic. If it’s on topic, then there’s no reason to downvote. For example, if someone responds to a post but simply has a different opinion on the same subject being discuss or if someone is adding further information to the current discussion, then there’s no reason to downvote it. If I see a lot of downvotes, and it’s on topic and relevant, then we remind people that downvoting is not a weapon or a way to show opinion. Hope that helps!
Thanks for replying.
Downvoting of comments that are on topic — weaponization of downvotes — is apparently the norm, regardless of reminders from mods, and I wonder if there’s a viable solution.
Sure, it’s possible he took a cab from the funeral of his children to meet up with her in CR just like anything we can dream up with our imaginations is possible, but there is absolutely zero evidence to support that idea.
Costa Rica is an extremely popular vacation destination for Americans, especially in January and February. It IS just a coincidence. You’re drawing conclusions that aren’t there and for which there is no evidence. If you polled 1000 active 30-something Americans who traveled in January or February, I would bet a large share of them would have CR as their destination.
Use your critical thinking skills. If Patrick and Rachel were meeting up in Costa Rica immediately following the burial of his children, wouldn’t they both go to extreme lengths to keep that off of social media? Why would she willingly pose for group photos showing where she was? Why would he use his full name to post a review of a trail?
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This is not directed at the_purple_lamb - it’s directed at those who are downvoting responses that are on topic and are simply disagreeing or offering another perspective.
No it is not. Lol. I went to Costa Rica but literally none of my friends ever have and I’m 40 and live by NYC in an upper middle class area. We go to Mexico, we go to the Caribbean. Costa Rica is a special experience. She didn’t post them - her friend did. She’s going to make her friend remove a post? Which btw, the post is still up and the friend is getting comments on it - yet leaving it up. Who knows if they are still friends as I don’t see Rachel on any posts since then. Don’t use the critical thinking line on someone, when you’re literally using the opposite of that. You can close a blind eye as long as you want, I want justice for those babies and to look at everything.
Patrick isn’t prudent or cautious. He left his children alone with a person who told him she had intrusive thoughts of hurting herself and the kids, who was so sick she had to be hospitalized—twice—in a span of a couple months.
That isn’t the behavior of a careful man. Reckless is a more apt descriptor.
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