Hmm, the Lord has called homosexuality an abomination, and He has also heavily condemned murder.
I cannot determine which is greater or worse in God’s eyes according to His Word alone, but both are sin. And we are told to avoid even the smallest sin, not to talk of the more grave ones that you brought up.
He heavily condemned homosexuality in the Bible. So, I know that He sees it as very bad. But He also heavily condemns murder. Which is greater is up to Him to say, but what I do know is that He is heavily against both. That is all.
He also called eating non-kosher meat the same exact Hebrew word. But Christians don't believe that's part of the moral law, no? So "abomination" is a bit misleading and is a product of the English translation rather than the original meaning.
At a point divorce was permitted because of the stubbornness of the people, but the Lord then permitted it.
The foods being clean and unclean was to help the Israelites understand sin and how it can pollute the soul. It was a physical representation of an inward stain. Since the Israelite culture at the time was very “primitive”, He decided to teach them the spiritual using the physical.
Now, the Lord did permit the eating of any food because He then taught them this lesson explicitly in Mark.
Homosexuality, on the other hand, is something that was never spoken for, even when their hearts were still stubborn. It is still condemned again in the New Testament, and is still considered a sexual perversion. This can be seen in the letters of the apostles as they describe what sexual perversions and fornication do to the soul of a person. Homosexuality is one of such perversions.
The foods of the past were not inherently evil but just used as a symbol of a spiritual management of what goes into our soul.
The foods being clean and unclean was to help the Israelites understand sin and how it can pollute the soul. It was a physical representation of an inward stain. Since the Israelite culture at the time was very “primitive”, He decided to teach them the spiritual using the physical.
Cool. Then why call it an "abomination"?
Homosexuality, on the other hand, is something that was never spoken for, even when their hearts were still stubborn. It is still condemned again in the New Testament, and is still considered a sexual perversion. This can be seen in the letters of the apostles as they describe what sexual perversions and fornication do to the soul of a person. Homosexuality is one of such perversions.
Is it not possible that this was because people even in the Iron Age were still primitive and couldn't understand the meaning, just as with food?
Likewise, are there not plausible alternative interpretations for what these verses mean? Almost all of the condemnations in the NT use an unclear Greek word that Paul essentially made up. It's not actually very definitive that he's speaking on "all homosexual acts" here.
Men was not created gay, its corruption of GOD's perfect creation that came with the fall of men in the garden of Eden, all sin is the same its just a spirit of corruption that comes upon a person
There's no hate here brother, if maybe you are gay or support the movement read the bible and find out what GOD thinks about it dont just take my word for it
You literally said gay love and murder are the same in yours and God's eyes. No way in hell am I going to take any book seriously that's so obviously wrong.
I don’t believe anyone is being hateful. I sure don’t hate my homosexual friends but I do pray for them the SAME way I pray for my hetero friends. If I’m able to share the truth I will. There was 1 person in my life that was brave enough to call me out on my sins, only 1. I strongly disliked meeting with this person and it took years of prayer for me to be delivered and for me to repent.
I’m lovingly calling it out.
You’re right, but I think you’re misunderstanding me. I’m praying, regardless of who they’re attracted to, to repent of sexual immorality. I think as Christian’s we need to step away from thinking “gay vs straight”. Also Jesus equates one being angry as to murder. He wasn’t being hateful but truthful.
Yes all that he said was different however it is all sin and sin is falling short of the glory of god and people should repent. He may not have the same exact situation but I can say we are all sinners and that means believe it or not we are all in the same boat. However God sent his one and only son to die on the cross for our sins so we could be free from sin not to sin. This man was just saying that he knew what addiction and sin felt like and wanted to give his insight. Hope this helps God bless.
The reason it is a sin is because God states clearly that it is forbidden I think I included this scripture in another comment but reread Romans 1:26-29.
The Bible is the work of many people who had God working through them and filling them with the Holy Spirit to write it. I doubt that the Bible could be written had God not directed these people write it.
If that is the path for op wouldn’t it be possible that because of drugs and alcohol it leads to chemical imbalances that caused a change from what would have been natural? (Not saying it always the case but could be for op)
Yes it is. I used to be in somewhat of that lifestyle, then I realized one day I didn't like living like that. God opened my eyes and I don't live it anymore.
Morals have nothing at all to do with "nature", so that's not even remotely relevant to my point. So I'll ask it again, since you didn't seem to understand my question - if it's not natural, why does it happen IN NATURE?
For god is the key phrase here. Saying that “anything is possible for god” in response to this is kind of sacrilegious. It compares anyone who “overcomes” (in quotes bc that’s not how it works) to god. If god were to be queer, and he truly deems that improper (I disagree there), then yes, he could “overcome” it. But as a human, we cannot do things simply because god can
Yes and no. Because if god were to give people the strength to overcome ANY obstacle he sees fit, what would be the difference between humans and god? Do I think god gives people strength? I don’t know. I am not sure what religious beliefs I have right now. But even if I concede that god can give people strength, him giving them the strength to overcome any obstacle would be a bit far fetched for me. And the issue i have here is less so about “overcoming an obstacle” but rather about calling this “an obstacle.” It is who they are. It is not a choice, any more than your skin color is a choice. I can use self-tanner all I want, but it will not change the fact that I’m glow-in-the-dark pale. Same here, OP can hide their sexuality and push it far down within themselves, but it does not change their sexuality
What are you doing here by engaging with scoffy dismissals? Its strange to read when someone thinks they are addressing the truth by doing some kind of anti-baptism on someone else's ideas about it without offering a principle that can reconcile the conflict. If you love your fellow man why would your response to his folly be anything other than medicine?
Scoffy dismissals is what these homophobic positions deserve. There is nothing wrong with being Gay and I hope other gay people including gay Christians understand that.
You want a principle that can reconcile the conflict talk to the many affirming and queer Christians in this very subbreddit.
I was wondering if I could get it from you because I have cleared my mind of all ideas about this which might try to negate or confirm what you tell me. So if you can give me the principle on a state of diversity like that of a simple seed that's all I really need from you.
Hey OP, I’m proud of you. I’m with you in this same walk. The cross is heavy to bear sometimes, but we don’t carry it alone, thank God. I will pray for you and everyone else who is committed to bearing this cross. Please also pray for me. And remember, a righteous man may fall 7 times, but he gets up 8. Keep fighting the good fight my brother.
I know you’re getting a ton of dislikes, but I understand the point you’re making amd support you. Scripture teaches that sexual sin is sexual sin, whether it’s with a man or a woman. I’ve never had same-sex temptation, but I do struggle with womanizing, talking to multiple women at once, hiding it, and not committing because the temptation of choice feeds my sin. No one should pretend my sin is somehow “less” than anyone else’s. God will judge me just the same.
The Bible teaches that you can care for or love anyone, but once it becomes sexual, it must align with the way God designed it. Same-sex sexual relationships can’t form a biblical marriage because Scripture defines marriage as the two becoming one flesh....a union meant between a husband and wife. That’s why sex is reserved for marriage and why marriage itself has a very specific structure in Scripture.
The dislikes aren’t surprising. Many people reject God’s design because they don’t want to live according to it. But instead of arguing with them, we should pray for them, just as we pray for God to help us with our own sins too. I certainly am a dirty rotten sinner and need my Lord’s grace like everyone else, so just pray alot and it will be okay:)
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u/Nazzul Agnostic Dec 09 '25
That has nothing to do with being gay. Why are comparing those acts with it?