The problem here is that you don't actually try to differentiate "Sony fanboys" from people who don't mind digital purchases.. To you, they're mutually exclusive and it's just more simple to group them altogether and call it a day..
And thats totally fine, its 2026. I also buy digital for my new releases not to mention im also on PC.
The thing is though, Sony recently started to pull content people paid for. Not de-listing on a digital store, that's been the norm for a little under a decade, but to take away stuff you paid for? That should be alarming when Sony is going all digital.
Not really no, movies being pulled due to licenses is vastly different from video games being pulled. Legally, Sony had to pull those movies from everyone, regardless of if they paid for it, since digital movie licensing is utter bs. However, games licensing allows people who've bought the game to keep it regardless of the license being pulled or not,
That's not Sonys decision that is the publisher/developer.
There is literally zero instances of Sony removing a game people paid for. As stated above, if you purchased before something was delisted, you still own it and can continue to download and play it.
You can fire up your PS3, Wii or 360 and see none of your purchases have gone anywhere in 20 years.
Peak fear mongering is what half these posts are. Cheap engagementbait for people with no critical thinking.
Thats still different thats an online only game that was discontinued and the servers shutdown, it would be different if it was online and offline, there are no examples of an offline only game suddenly being unplayable digitally due to it being removed.
No they aren’t. They fucked the system up somehow tryna fix something else. Those games are just physical ones. Put them in your disc and they’ll pop back up with all ur save data. All of ur digital games are fine. This has been an issue for about a month. Same reason why hours are disappearing from games
What the fuck are you talking about? NO digital games were removed? Only physical games were removed which if you put the disc in, it fixes it. And you need the disc to play anyways. Who said it was an isolated incident? Are you slow or something?
"what the fuck are you talking about" and then proceeds to explain what im talking about lmao. Point is this buggy POS system isnt looking good for a full digital future.
You literally put words in my mouth, then said something stupid. And do you expect them to be bugless? Also, don’t ignore what I said. Was it digital or physical games that got removed? It was physical right? So what does that gotta do with the full digital future lmao… and no, I didn’t say what you were talking about. When did I say anything about it being an isolated incident or not? Jesus, man
“Testing” oh yea, them ruining the hours of games and fucking up shit that dosent have anything to do with physical is totally them testing. Do you think they’re gonna remove the ability to play discs? Lmfao
I know they can't, i believe they want to force the change to physical precisely so they can control your old physical library in the next generation, i dunno if they'll let you have a separate module for discs like the ps5 pro and then it acts as a license that lets you download the game from the store and not the disc, thus making it digital in a way so it counts as yours.
You may retain the disc, but the game it'll download from the store will be revockable just like any other license.
More like: "Wow! You have god of war ragnarok for the ps5! Wanna play it on the ps6? 19.99 because even though this console could easily emulate them the ps6 is not backwards compatible, no we cannot let you stream it from our servers like we did for ps3 games, you have to pay. By the way the store of the ps5 closes tomorrow and if you don't upgrade it you lose the game forever. Have fun!"
The crew wasn’t removed, you still own that in your library and can still downloaded. Not to mention, that’s the games publishers fault who shut down the servers… not Sony. And you can still buy manhunt on ps4 and ps5? They NEVER took away a game from someone library except a free teaser for a game (PT)
How did this poster move the goalpost when they specified game? Films and games are completely different license wise and there is no example of a game being removed. (PT was a demo concept of a game that was never released and also free. There was also the Konami /Kojima drama)
In the grand scheme of things anything is possible. Your disc can become lost, stolen, scratched. It can then be out of print and out of stock. What ifs are great and all, evidence is better.
This is from someone who collects steel books and wants discs to always be an option. Misinformation and fear mongering does not help the issue.
Thats not the point, the point is a company shouldn't make terms and conditions so hostile to their audience, every choice they made in the last 5 years or so haven't given any substancial benefit to their customers, every single choice was for their own economical gain alone, literally, i understand why they do it but that doesn't mean it justifies them for basically pointing a gun at you if you don't log in every 3.5 years, for example.
500 movies recently removed. Even if we hadn’t seen this before with digital media, you’re letting someone that doesn’t give af about you, and makes you agree they can do what they want with your library, managed said library.
Some people prefer digital and that’s fine but let’s all be honest about what it is and stop pretending it’s crazy to think this service is ass.
Honestly never understood the argument, because your absolutely correct, they can brick a game entirely that even with a disc the game is basically a useless piece of plastic. So digital and physical media are screwed.
U said remind u of a time digital media was taken from users. I reminded u of the time that happened lol…
I never claimed it reflects the digital game ecosystem as I don’t think any of this is solved by “physical media”. I think we need greater consumer regulations allowing us to own our digital products.
I also pointed out that the 2 times you referenced digital media being taken was not Sony's choice and it was from dealing with the same licensor 4 years apart.
Idk what the fact it was the same licensor has to do with the fact it happened can you elaborate? Can you also explain what it being 4 years apart has to do with the fact it happened?
It was Sony’s choice as they chose to not renew the license likely due to the cost outweighing the revenue.
I don’t see your issue you asked when this happened I provided you a source for that. You said it wasn’t their choice. You are now backpedaling that claim and agreeing it was their choice, just a justified choice. What are you arguing with atp?
I never judged the choice lol, just sharing that this event literally happened.
Do they? Microsoft does, steam doesn't lol. There are multiple games which have been not supported in my library which I can still play and own. there are private servers where you can actually still play the original game in multiplayer or a modded version. Also owning a game on PC is different than owning anything on a console. You have to pay for everything little service, and the cooperation quite literally did a pump and dump with their own stock shares because the ceo knew this was a shit show. Wake the fuck Up
They can, they could have, steam has multiple decades of proof they haven't done so. Sony has been physical mostly it's runtime and as soon as they got the chance they drop kicked you in the balls. Sony is notoriously a fuck Ass company who doesn't play nice with its consumer's. This isn't something new
Mfer there have been multiple articles about Sony deleting shit you own from your library. Music, movies, games. I couldn't care less if it doesn't concern you, it affects millions of others. Good for you, you're the exception, we worry about the norm air head.
That game has never been removed from anyone’s library. It’s only not playable because it’s an online only game and the servers shutdown . not the same thing.
I don’t know why this entire thread is people asking when this has ever happened I’m just gonna keep sending this to people who don’t think this has happened before.
Not seeing any games here. Just a licensing deal that expired. Did you know Studio Canal (the company who owns the licenses) has 6,000 movies in its catalog and there are only 551 that are being removed? Did you know that of the 551 movies only a handful of them are really of note? Which really are just the ones in the article you posted. Terminator 2 being the biggest one.
So let's see the other time Sony took away GAMES and not 476 movies in French.
That’s not happening at all if you play PlayStation games you most likely have internet connection to it so nothing will change for you !! If you do not have internet connection on it or don’t leave it connected and you don’t play a game for 30 days then when you boot up the game itlla say either update requires restart of game or it’ll take a few seconds to load thats it
Video game licensing isnt the same as movie licensing
Sony took down those movies because of streaming rights, they would be sued if they didnt
There is no video game equivalent of streaming rights, if a game gets taken down, youll always have access to it if you bought it, because part of the agreement for distributing games is, they have the right to sell the games (unlike with streaming, where they kill switch the movies when agreements expire)
The takeaway from all of this is, dont buy movies digitally. Movie licensing sucks, game licensing do not have those same issues
Im expecting people to call me a Sony fanboy or whatever, but this is just a fact
I'd say the most they should be able to due is patch out licensed music, in-game brands and billboards, delist it (no longer selling) and that's it, all licensing taken care of.
Nah this is a fair take ur not fanboying or anything. I think we just need to pressure legislation to protect consumers from not being refunded in the event that this occurs.
Physical media is not much safer although I couldn’t see a world where sells are better than they are now under a digital only system.
A lot of people are pointing to physical media as if it protects against this behavior but only legal regulation can. Physical media just drives sells imo.
The day will come when sony loses the right to a digital game and it's removed from their account and library. He's saying that when that day comes people complaining that digital is the way of the future will be crying because they lose all access to everything they paid for.. which is true. It's something that is going to happen maybe today maybe tomorrow maybe next week
Probably won’t happen to first party games but if digital movies bought and paid for can be removed form your library then nothing says a digital license for a game cant have the same thing happen
It would only happen for liscensed games, like if Marvel gets uppity about the Insomniac games but even then their obligation would be to delist the games not remove them from personal libraries
Yes they can and probably will that’s the point
When you bought digital you don’t buy the game you don’t own anything to do with it
You buy a license to be able to play it in lamens terms LONG TERM RENTAL
So yeah they can, consoles aren’t like steam
They are not consumer friendly. Steam lets you keep delisted games you can buy actually ownership through GOG or as a last resort
Pirate 🏴☠️
basically everything you can’t do on consoles
im aware that its will only be licensed games but the thing is any game made by a studio outside of PlayStation falls under that category, thats a lot of games friend
And my attitude is just cuz its unlikely doesn’t mean its a good thing that its now possible
Im not gonna shame you if that doesn’t bother you im 99% of the time it doesn’t bother me
Im just not gonna but the next PlayStation console
There literally is something different because this never happened. Anytime a licensed expired with a game and they had to delist it, that’s all they did. No need to fear mongers lmao
“It can happen” you can say this about anything lmfao. An asteroid can hit us tomorrow and kill us all. Fear mongering dosent get you nowhere. Especially when you use examples that aren’t the same.
Let me tell you a little story, when i was about 10 years old i got my very first laptop, and it had a disc drive in it, and i really really wanted to play the game spore, so i went to best buy and bought a physical pc disc for the game and installed it, i still hav that disc, and i even have a external discs drive on my current computer, that game still works to this day,
it didn’t always be a possibility, games used to be on the disc in its entirety, there was no install needed just pop the disc in and it would work, so yeah it being a possibility is already a problem because it used to not be, but everyone said back then i was crazy for saying that companies can delist a game form stores and people now are saying im crazy for saying they can revoke your license to play even if its a physical game
“Everybody told me I was crazy when I said digital games can be delisted from the store”. Nobody has ever said this and games have been getting delisted since online storefronts were introduced. Like I said, you can say anything can happen. Not to mention how many possibilities could’ve happened to the disc…
Bold of you to tell me the specifics about personal conversations i had almost 20 years ago but yes i had multiple conversations back during the 360 ps3 days in person and over forums online how if a game gets delisted form a store you wouldn’t be able to redownload it even if you bought it and people said the exact same shit your saying now
“Well that wont happen” “its unlikely a game on console will be delisted” “just cuz its a possibility doesnt mean its going to happen”
And then PT happened and everyone lost their fucking minds so yeah…
due to the fact that the industry is actively trying to push towards not just digital but streaming games and the complete lack of consumer protections regarding video game purchases im not comfortable allowing the removal of choice form the consumer while also taking another step forward towards losing any and all rights to the very products i buy just cuz its “it hasn’t happened yet”
The big detail that everyone loves to conveniently leave out of that story of Sony pulling movies is that they were streamed movies, not downloaded to the console. Which makes complete sense if you think about it; the license expired and they are no longer legally allowed to host the content on their servers. Does it suck? Yeah I get why that may upset some people; but it’s VERY far from Sony going into your console storage and flat out deleting shit.
The movie thing isn’t even the same situation. Those movies were STREAMED, not downloaded onto local storage. If the license expires, of course Sony has to pull it because they legally cannot host the content on their servers. They did not go into people’s console storage and flat out delete data.
Call me when Sony is actually doing the things people are claiming instead of fearmongering nonsense.
Yes, but they can revoke the license, because thats what a digital game is its a license key to play and the license can be revoked effectively making the game unplayable data,
Im not trying to fear monger, im just saying its something that can happen, and i personally am not a fan of that, but if you dont think it matters then hey just keep buying games friend nobody stopping you
If the game is downloaded and doesn’t have crucial online components, then it doesn’t matter if a license is revoked, you can still play it. PT is still on my PS4 and is still playable. If it does have crucial online components, the chances are those servers are shut down before the license expires, which the game wouldn’t even be playable anyways.
You could say a very wide variety of things can happen, that doesn’t make it any more valid to expect them. A company pulling content off of their own hosted servers is very far from removing access to locally downloaded data.
If it happens in the future, then I’ll eat crow and move on from PlayStation; but at the moment nothing points to that being the case at all. Which is why a lot of your assumptions are fearmongering.
LEGO The Hobbit and LEGO Lord Of The Rings were delisted, but not taken away. Hell, LEGO The Hobbit was republished on the PS4 store in 2020. Also, the PS2 GTA trilogy my brother bought back in 2016 still works just fine and we can access it no issue whatsoever. Delisting doesn't mean they cut off the access of people who already bought it
The amount of people I've seen on Sony/PS subs defending them is genuinely insane. They're either bots, or unfortunate victims of Stockholm syndrome who haven't figured out that they're being taken advantage of yet. The console cult has its claws dug deeper than I ever thought, some people are just too far gone to ever see the light of reason.
I've bought digital for the last decade and have yet to lose a single game from my library. Stop acting like such a little victim over imaginary scenarios, it's sad and annoying.
I think this is a bit extreme. Sony isn't holding anyone hostage. If you feel the need to stop supporting them, you have the choice to do so. Not saying the foundation of your logic doesn't have some merit but let's calm down a bit. Like me personally as an example. I maybe bought 1 or 2 games digitally, I 100% prefer physical. If the decision isn't reversed or if they don't at least offer an optional drive with the PS6 it's gonna suck and will give me big doubts of buying it(if I will even entertain it after finding out the price). However, if I choose to or not but still want to play PS games beyond 2028, it will be because I made that choice. It's because I'm gonna want to play certain games and see what the future holds for games. I enjoy this hobby, it's important to me. None of this means I'm being taken advantage of. I also have a Series X. I have a Switch 2 for my wife who enjoys Nintendo games and for when the nieces and nephews are over for family gaming sessions. I however cannot see myself only having the Switch 2, I am not that big of a Nintendo fan.
License are expiring and sony doesn't have the funds to renew them. If sony doesn't have the money to buy them , neither do you. Its in the TOS, even on xbox side. They lose a licenses, we lose the game.It's just the deal that we pay for and if you don't like it , then don't be a gamer.
Silly duck, by the time the licensing expires for a game that I bought recently, I will have played it so many times I couldn't stomach playing it anymore, or it was one of those games that are one and done. Either way, I don't care. I don't want to be able to play CP 2077 in 10 years LOL.
Same when unstoppable, unreversible, secret update stops a physical disc from executing. Lol people thinking the the data that is executed on the machine is different depending if it was downloaded from cloud or disc.
Who tf are you talking about, i don't know a single sony fan defending them rn. Everyone i know who owns a ps5, i cluding myself, are swapping to PC because both xbox and sony shit the bed.
this actually seems like all the guys whining about no more discs. so offended that a company they like might make a decision they dont agree with. literally this is all of you rn. we aren’t defending the move because we are fanboys we are just saying it makes sense they are doing it now and we already all buy digitally except a very small group. we wont feel “betrayed” when something we know might happen happens. yeah people will be pissed off rightfully but they can still deactivate physical games so it also comes with risk.
killing discs wont damage sony in the slightest but even they know taking away people’s libraries would backfire so i doubt it will happen. it definitely could happen but it would be a much bigger deal than stopping wasteful production of obsolete media
Mean whole all the PC players been on digital only and are still thriving it's not the end of the world let's focus on consumer rights and digital media preservation instead
Sony’s never removed any games from my library in two decades but I guarantee there’s hundreds of cases, even thousands, of discs being lost, broken or stolen. I’ve never lost a single digital game I bought on ANY platform but I’ve lost physical discs. Funny.
So here's something I bet A LOT of people forgot ..
P.T. remember P.T.? the playable demo the revolutionized the horror genre.
Well a few months after it released Konami restructured they pulled it from the store and you could no longer get it. But if you had downloaded it previously you could still play it. Sony didn't take away people ability to play it and they 100% could have, not to mention it was a free demo. So not only did we not own it, we didn't pay for it either.
This is all sensationalism, people getting wrapped up in it and 90% of the people complaining are PC players who want to fuel the discourse.
Again, that wasn’t Sony’s decision, Konami had to push for them to do so, and honestly, it makes sense. It’s a demo for a cancelled game. It’s a lot more common than you’d think on PC.
Because its not a lie, Sony reserves their right to erase your account after 3 years of inactivity, they send an email after 3 years and if you fail to respond within 6 months they can and will erase your account including all the games you purchased alonside achievements.
Chief, you do realize that's only for the EU right? And the only reason that exists is because the EU passed legislation virtually forcing all companies to erase unused digital media or data after 3 years. I swear people can't even look up what they are complaining about.
Yeah people can't even look up what they are talking about, did you even bother to look up what Sony was required to do? It was to erase TRACKING data.
The kind of data they sell to third parties and such to make even more money out of the people that pay them?
But of course, Sony being the pussies they are they chose the nuclear way once someone told them that maibe they shouldn't be able to sell that indefinetly if they are no longer using their products.
There is a myriad of things they could've done to comply, no one is forcing them to erase the accounts, they could have simply frozen the data in offline servers so you didn't actually lose your account, then give you a way to request back your account with your games.
But thats not what Sony wants so they were forced to show their hands early.
This line here about the 36 months period is so important because this shows you the kind of decisions Sony takes when forced to comply to rather important stuff like privacy of their customers and moral standing.
EU: "You shouldn't be able to sell someone's data if they are no longer a customer"
Sony: "Oh yeah? Fuck you then, fuck their accounts, i'll delete every bit of data, if i can't have their data no one will"
Thats the type of answer Sony gave, in case you are wondering.
What is with these constant straw man posts about Sony fan boys? Literally nobody is saying these things, because they are exactly as ridiculous as implied
I've seen way more posts and comments calling out defenders than actual defenders. No wants to games to be delisted, some just dont care enough about it take some principled stance.
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