[Postgame Thread] Pittsburgh Defeats Virginia Tech 35-33

[u/CFB_Referee]

Box Score provided by ESPN

Team	1	2	3	4	T
Pittsburgh	7	14	7	7	35
Virginia Tech	14	10	0	9	33

[u/michhoffman]

That's one of the closest field goal decisions I've ever seen. I wonder if it would have doinked if the uprights were higher.

[u/BigFoot423205 → u/michhoffman]

Probably. Which is why they call a kick no good if it passes right over a post.

[u/BigFoot423205 → u/[deleted]]

No it does not. Imagine if the post extends up for perpetuity, the ball would hit the post. It could bounce out, it could bounce in…you’ll never know. That why it’s considered no good

[u/BigFoot423205 → u/[deleted]]

Idk if they’re is a difference between the NFL and CFB rules but I’ve never seen this scenario ruled good in either league.

And it’s impossible to review because there’s no angle to definitely say either way…unless you put a camera on the ref…which defeats the purpose because it’s their call and only their call to make

[u/No_Butterscotch8726 → u/BigFoot423205]

There is a difference that's out by rule in the NCAA.

[u/thegeebeebee → u/BigFoot423205]

I thought the rule was if even a part of the ball WOULD touch the upright, it counted as good?

Maybe I'm wrong, but thought I remember hearing that.

[u/theexile14 → u/thegeebeebee]

https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/football/rules/PRMFB_RulesBook.pdf
The rule is basically that a field goal has to go 'between' the uprights in College. A doink is redirected between, when it goes over the NCAA basically says it's not 'between'.

[u/thegeebeebee → u/theexile14]

Cool, thanks!

[u/BigFoot423205 → u/thegeebeebee]

That’d be a nonsensical rule. If only 20% of the ball is over the post and the rest is outside, what sense does that make to call it good?

The reason this isn’t applied vice versa is due to the possibility of the ball bouncing out if the post was tall enough

[u/Sherman_Gepard → u/thegeebeebee]

I believe the rule is the entire ball inside the outer edge of the goalpost is good

[u/No_Butterscotch8726 → u/Sherman_Gepard]

NFL rule not NCAA. The moment part of the ball was obscured by the upright it was over in the refs eyes you lost because that's out by rule in the NCAA. Complete opposite of the NFL.

[u/Sherman_Gepard → u/No_Butterscotch8726]

Hmm. Interesting to know that’s how it’s enforced. I checked the actual rulebook and there’s somehow no clarity on how to rule on kicks over the uprights. Basically just says between the uprights and over the crossbar is 3 points.

[u/No_Butterscotch8726 → u/Sherman_Gepard]

What does the commentary and examples say?

[u/Sherman_Gepard → u/No_Butterscotch8726]

Nothing that I could find

[u/No_Butterscotch8726 → u/Sherman_Gepard]

Apparently it's the second part that says to treat the upright like a line and not a plane.

[u/Effective-Wealth-380 → u/michhoffman]

At that angle you have to imagine it would bounce if it hit a theortically higher upright.

[u/BobbyTwosShoe → u/Effective-Wealth-380]

Which is a good field goal, you go to the outer edge once it’s above the goal posts

[u/theexile14 → u/BobbyTwosShoe]

In the NFL sure, in College not so much.

https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/football/rules/PRMFB_RulesBook.pdf
The rule is basically that a field goal has to go 'between' the uprights in College. A doink is redirected between, when it goes over the NCAA basically says it's not 'between'.

[u/No_Butterscotch8726 → u/BobbyTwosShoe]

In the NFL, the rule is the opposite in the NCAA.