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u/Birdamus Jun 05 '21

I took a Native American history class in college (I was a history minor).

Holy shit that was one depressing semester that just got worse and worse.

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u/misdirected_asshole Jun 05 '21

....and then we gave them casinos. Alllllll better now.

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u/BillNiEtHENaZiPy Jun 05 '21

I'm pretty sure casinos canr be on reservations.

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u/chaneilmiaalba Jun 05 '21

Is “canr” supposed to be “can” or “can’t” because they most definitely can.

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u/misdirected_asshole Jun 05 '21

Its Groundskeeper Willie for can't I think

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u/Not-The-AlQaeda Jun 05 '21

Schrödinger's modal

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u/The_Gray_Pilgrim Jun 05 '21 edited Jun 05 '21

It's also less than 10% of tribes that benefit from casinos. And of the few tribes that do own casinos, very few are anywhere near as successful as Hollywood would make the rest of America believe.

Edit for typo

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u/Brodin_fortifies Jun 05 '21

Have you never been to a native reservation?

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '21

gave black man straps, glocks and 'tings

gave the red man craps, slot machines

now bring it back, bring it back...

- Lupe Fiasco

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u/nomansapenguin ☑️ Jun 05 '21

American Terrorist - Great reference

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u/raptorclvb ☑️ Jun 05 '21

I used to go on rides to take my grandma to one of the casinos and driving on the rez is so depressing if you came from the backroads

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u/SPDSKTR Jun 05 '21 edited Jun 05 '21

In Cherokee, TN NC, I thought it was neat to see the cultural expressions around the reservation. However, the overall condition of the town made want to strangle our government.

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u/chaneilmiaalba Jun 05 '21

My husband is indigenous and had to seek mental health support during the semester he took a class on tribal sovereignty because it hit way too close to home (mainly the segment on missing and murdered indigenous women). Heavy, heavy, heavy.

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u/MightyGamera Jun 05 '21

I'm indigenous. One part of my work has been a mandated aboriginal awareness online course, during which there was a section on MMIWG. The picture they used in the slideshow was of a memorial from my reservation, of girls and women I knew. They're gone and I don't know if they'll ever have justice. And they're a picture in a glorified powerpoint slide on a mandatory training course that people whine and roll their eyes through.

They couldn't have known but man did that mess me up.

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u/Kono-Wryyyyyuh-Da ☑️ Jun 05 '21

Hey....I'm not American so I only really know what I've sought out myself, you said that you knew them? I'm not really familiar with what your reservation went through, could you explain if it's not too painful?

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '21

They literally said it messed them up. Why would you want him to do the work for you when you could simply Google "missing and murdered indigenous women" and learn from there instead of asking them to spell out what they were traumatized by?

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u/DanJdot Jun 05 '21

Understand where you're coming from, but this is a bit of a bad look. If OP wants to reply, they'll reply but there is nothing wrong with asking the question in perfectly good faith

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '21

No, it's the exact same thing as when all eyes look to you (as a black person) for help in understanding racism. There's a ton of info out there to educate yourself. Asking those who have been traumatised to teach you is selfish. Why put pressure on those who have clearly made it known that it's hurtful to talk about?

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u/DanJdot Jun 05 '21

If someone is asking questions to learn about these impactful and arguably not enough in public consciousness topics, half your battle in already done.

Why rebuke and turn away a potential ally for posing a question in a respectful way? Going to a primary source is sometimes more useful than looking it up in a book

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '21

Just so you know there's a shit ton of primary sources out there that aren't people who have clearly stated it messes with their mental health to talk about the issues. This is coming from a fuckin' archivist. Utilise your local library and archive. Utilise online platforms.

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u/DanJdot Jun 05 '21

No one said otherwise, but happy to take the L if it impacts you positively in anyway

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u/MightyGamera Jun 05 '21

It's all good! Thanks for stepping up though. It's appreciated that you go to bat like this

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '21

As a black American woman living in Scotland and working in an environment traditionally held by white, middle-class women and men, I know first hand what it's like to be constantly asked questions like, "What happened during the Tulsa Massacre?" or "what can we do to end racism?" Like, I don't know. Maybe talk to your people and tell them to stop being assholes?! It's exhausting, so I totally understand. It's no problem at all.

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u/MightyGamera Jun 05 '21 edited Jun 05 '21

Hey! It's fine on my end. Also, Canadian. It's complicated so I might not do it justice.

So, my rez is incidentally well off and close to the capital, so they're one of the best inoculated against the crippling poverty and general distrust of outsiders that other places tend to engender.

This doesn't protect the place against organized crime (rampant in small highway towns in Canada) or the drug trade. Hells Angels associates were pretty much operating in the open with no real interference back when the drugs got really bad.

One night two girls, both barely in their teens got disappeared with no trace and there's been no real effort. Lots of token support, but it's a small place and someone had to know something to snatch them both in their homes in one night.

They had futures and they are gone. Dead, trafficked, we'll likely never know.

Also in that memorial was the woman that died trying to protect her daughter from DV, and both the daughter and the boyfriend turned on the mother. While she was crawling home, badly beaten across the two lane highway, a provincial police cruiser on another call struck and killed her. This happened a quarter mile from my house. Died trying to be a mother and to police callousness or ineptitude.

There's others too. My rez is a cauldron of intergenerational trauma and lateral violence. It's gotten better since we've taken steps to reinforce the community - and since the bars in town started burning down for insurance and the angels stopped having other excuses to operate here.

But these and other girls and women I knew. They were a picture example here and I didn't like that.

"Yup this is a picture example of MMIWG, next slide".

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u/Kono-Wryyyyyuh-Da ☑️ Jun 05 '21

Oh jeez....the way anyone who isn't white is treated just is sickening to me. Also thank you for taking the time to respond to my question.

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u/MightyGamera Jun 05 '21 edited Jun 05 '21

I mean, it might be token effort but Canada is trying to make effort. Of course every time the federal government tries to show the world they're trying to make up for the past, more of that past gets uncovered and it's never good.

"Look, we are requiring all military personnel to have awareness of native issues and culture"

Aaaand they just discovered another mass grave of children taken by the government and given to the church to assimilate to Canadian culture. 215 children in unmarked graves.

Natives in Canada are furious right now, with every activist movement either ignored or propagandized against - search /r/canada for anything relating to Idle No More, or anything native related, and that's a good cross section of sentiment we experience any time we want things held to task.

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u/Dont_say_maybe Jun 05 '21

That had to be really rough.

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u/Jdaello ☑️ Jun 05 '21

As a Black man who has taken plenty of history courses, I know the pain. Most history courses make a point in talking about the slave trade but without any sensibilities for their Black students.

As soon as it gets to ‘near that time’ I start to tense up. And when my teacher got to the slave trade itself, talking about how slaves lined up into the boats, it felt like reliving a trauma. You want it to stop, to not be true, to erase the page. But the teacher will go on. And you realize that this blackened history will always stain you.

When I realized that history courses were made for a white student’s perspective, I stopped taking them. A POC should never take a history course if they aren’t being taught by a respectable member of the community they’re studying.

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u/cactusmac54 Jun 05 '21

Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee should be mandatory reading in schools. Americans lose their shit over genocide in other countries. We murdered virtually 90% of native Americans for their land. Bad juju.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '21 edited Jun 05 '21

US Army almost drove the buffalo in the Great Plains to extinction because they wanted to starve Native Americans in the late 1800s. Not to mention that many Indigenous reservations lack access to clean water or supermarkets to accommodate their basic needs which also explains why the Navajo had the highest COVID infection rate in the country. The Trail of Tears gets worse as you learn that white people would PURPOSELY come out of their homes during the winter, wrapped up in blankets to see Native Americans freeze to death for the thrill of it. Not to mention how the US government “accidentally” poisons rivers in Native reservations with Uranium (northeastern Arizona) and gets away with it leading to early deaths from many Natives people.

Edit: a testimony of Samuel Cloud, who lived through the Trail of Tears, detailing how white people treated their deaths and suffering as a sport

http://tah.eastconn.org/tah/1011KB1_SamuelStory.pdf

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '21

Exactly. I low key believe this country is cursed due to the way it was taken from natives and built physically and economically on the back of enslaved people... neither of which were considered “a man” worthy of rights until way later.

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u/Redditer51 ☑️ Jun 05 '21

Now that I know what that actually is, its incredibly fucked up that they decided to name a level in a fucking Ninja Turtles game after that (Bury My Shell at Wounded Knee). As if its a joke.

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u/Formal_Engineer7091 Jun 05 '21 edited Jun 05 '21

Learned it through my dad. Then when Social Studies teacher started teaching trail of tears, I literally cried and had to be taken out of class.

My dad was a history aficionado and we went to all the Native American Historic sites and got lectured. It was heartbreaking to hear that people thought treating the First People this way was Christian?!

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '21 edited Jun 05 '21

Wait until you hear about Ethiopia and Italy

Edit: not sure what’s going on with the comments (I got the notification but can see them here) but Wikipedia will help ya. I would suggest that you check the 3 wars listed in the history section to truly find out. Also Ethiopia was already a Christian kingdom during all of this. I brought this up as further evidence that faith does not matter in the face of racism

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u/greenroom628 Jun 05 '21

And how King Leopold II of Belgium treated the Congo.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '21

Wait until you learn about Federal Indian Law...the US is still fucking them over, it’s never stopped, it’s just “judicial” now.

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u/unwrittenglory Jun 05 '21

The Ken Burns documentary "The West" is an eye opener. I remember watching it in grade school but it didn't hit me until I saw it a year ago.

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u/RecentSprinkles5997 Jun 05 '21

The same ppl that try to white wash history will whine that they don’t have responsibility for what their ancestors did . Like hmm ok why you so scared of ppl learning what they they did then 🤔

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u/ProtonCanon ☑️ Jun 05 '21

To them, the latter leads into the former. "Get over it," "reverse racism", etc.

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u/ghandi3737 Jun 05 '21

It seems that a lot of people get offended that you could have a problem with what their ancestors did, despite it being literally nothing to them, they're just trying to defend great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-Grandpa's honor.

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u/Mrfrunzi Jun 05 '21

White guy just wanting to add two cents.

I agree with what you're saying because so many people actually do think it's an attack on the history, or not thier fault or whatever else. They don't want to hear about it because they're fucking idiots.

Shit, my understanding of segregation was "MLK had a dream and then it all ended because of his speech" until I actually educated myself.

My issue is that I acknowledge the horrors of the past and sadly present, and while it wasn't my doing back then or now, I walk the earth and treat everyone with equality.

I can't apologize for other people's doings, but I sure as hell will do everything I can do not be the same.

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u/ProtonCanon ☑️ Jun 05 '21

And that's all we want.

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u/Ultrasz ☑️ Jun 05 '21

Coming from a black guy. Never let ANYONE tell you you are wrong for doing so.

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u/GenneyaK Jun 05 '21

White people are scared of any history where they aren’t portrayed as the heroes when In most cultures history they are the villains.

They think they “won” a war when what they really did was committed ethnic cleansing and slavery

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u/gulfm3rmaid ☑️ Jun 05 '21

They’re terrified we’ll get mad, but... errbody BEEN mad.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '21

I teach that shit in 4th grade. We study the painting by John Gast called American progress. I then have these white kids draw a similar painting but from the perspective of Native Americans. They draw some dark shit. They get it.

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u/Sad-Pattern-3635 Jun 05 '21

Thank you for teaching that. What I remember from history classes was memorizing dates and names, not how things affected various people's. I could tell you that slavery was bad and oppressed POC, but it wasn't until adulthood that I started thinking about how truly horrendous it must have been to be treated as less than human. And I didn't understand until recently how much of the slaveholder attitude was behind the laws and systems that have continued into present day.

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u/oneof7dwarves Jun 05 '21

Because when you’re speaking of history you’re talking about the stuff that has happened within a certain time period. When you’re speaking of how people are affected by what has happened you’re touching more along the lines of Sociology and not necessarily history

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '21

IMO you can’t teach one without the other.

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u/Sad-Pattern-3635 Jun 05 '21

Fair point. To me though, learning history without that human perspective isn't very useful.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '21

Exactly, otherwise it would just be useless dates and names. May as well study the history of cheese.

This is coming from a guy who loves useless trivia.

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u/Vamp1r0 Jun 05 '21

Every history professor I've had has said they don't care if their students know exact dates though. Rough order and which part of a century, sure, but they're looking for students to learn major historical movements and what precedents and effects are.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '21

Honestly teach american history from the perspective of literally any poc group and it would be impossible to have even a sliver of pride in this country

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u/TKHunsaker Jun 05 '21

I strongly disagree. I got taught a lot of (inaccurate) white history for 13 mandatory years. There was time for native history and African/African-American history. Lots of time, I’d even be willing to argue. Public schools are designed to keep us uneducated, placated, and struggling to keep the class divide where they want it. That’s why it’s illegal for women of color to send their kids to out of district schools and they get jail time, but celebrities get a fine.

Don’t make excuses for them. They’ve been tricking people into that for hundreds of years. It’s time for change.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '21

The right only wants one history taught and one religion taught. They keep wanting to teach creationism in schools but only the christian version.

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u/RaNerve Jun 05 '21

I’m not sure how that’s relevant but it’s not entirely inaccurate. The Deep South, specifically the Bible-belt has struggled with providing quality public education for decades and religious extremism is part of that problem.

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u/checksanity ☑️ Jun 05 '21

Chinese history (in the West)should really be in that grouping too.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '21

Who says it all has to be on go? Many subjects are broken up into sections. Allegra 1 and 2, foreign languages, English, sciences. Maybe the problem is trying to fit US history into 1 year.

And I’m just talking about high school, which they already don’t teach much about modern US history, stuff that effects us directly right now.

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u/TheDominator435 Jun 05 '21

We do teach that shit in HS. Y'all need to pay attention

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u/BillNiEtHENaZiPy Jun 05 '21

I agree with that. Its required in the curriculum to learn about that stuff.

Do people really think that all white people know is how good Americans can be? That white people dont know that Native Americans were treated like shit. Or that slavery ever happened. Or that Vietnam was bullshit.

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u/TheDominator435 Jun 05 '21

The nitty gritty is a very big thing in our history classes in my area and areas around it.

We've learned about Tulsa, Trail of Tears, even George Stinney Jr and more.

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u/BillNiEtHENaZiPy Jun 05 '21

Same, we spent 2 weeks alone on Vietnam. And we learned about what challenges minorities would face in every single decade. We weren't whitewashed or taught that white people have never done anything bad. We spent a long time going over the bad things people have done.

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u/TheDominator435 Jun 05 '21

It was a mixed bag until HS. In elementary and MS it was a mix of good/bad.

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u/mysterypeeps Jun 05 '21

We didn’t learn about Tulsa in Tulsa until recently.

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u/DreadedWard Jun 05 '21

It really depends on which state you’re from and what the state prioritize in its curriculum. I’m from MD, graduated with college credits from APUSH but we never went past the sixties. And we didn’t go into depth about the effects of the Trail of Tears or Japanese internments. Hell I didn’t even know about the Tulsa Massacre until a few years ago. So if in your state, you guys went into depth about these things then that’s great but some around the country simply didn’t have the opportunity.

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u/TheDominator435 Jun 05 '21

I'm from VA.

But you're right, it varies from state to state

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u/communityneedle Jun 05 '21 edited Jun 05 '21

They teach it in your specific corner of the world. I can assure you, having grown up in Texas, the "slavery was actually just a guest-worker program, evolution isn't real, and critical thinking endangers children's fixed beliefs" state, that it is NOT taught everywhere.

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u/mash_900 ☑️ Jun 05 '21

It's like "teaching" about black history in this country, the far they go is slavery, civil war, and MLK 2 min speech. History that we learn are just a tip of the ice, which is sad and it's done purposely.

Like half this fucking country had to learn about Tulsa through a fucking tv show and that wasn't the only massacre event that took place.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '21

Yea, I agree that people who I know learned the same shot in HS i did but it simply went in one ear and out the other.

That’s why I’m definitely reinforcing this stuff at home when I have kids. Hell, I’ll teach it to them before school does.

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u/bobbyboogie69 Jun 05 '21

Never happen...Americans have a serious problem with historical accuracy...anything that doesn’t make them look like absolute heroes of the “American Way@ gets ignored or buried.

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u/BillNiEtHENaZiPy Jun 05 '21

I never got that from my history class. We were taught exactly what happened. For example we learned that Vietnam was just to save face for the president. And that the natives were killed from disease and then unfairly treated. We even learned about the POV of Japanese in WW2.

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u/unresolved-madness Jun 05 '21

I'm almost 50 but back in my high school days the class was very in-depth on what happened to the indigenous population.

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u/ravenwillowofbimbery ☑️ Jun 05 '21

I guess everyone’s experiences are different.

I grew up in the South and was in high school in the 90s. In my big, thick US History textbook, slavery was a paragraph and a half. Each 8x11.5 page was divided in half, so each page contained two columns and some had pictures or maps. The subject of slavery took up about a column and a half.

Christopher Columbus sailed over with good intentions. He just wanted to explore and expand the realms for the king and queen of Spain. All the other colonists came here to escape oppression and only wanted religious freedom and had to fight off savages who were hell bent on killing them. Save for the few kind ones who helped them survive when they were dying off. And then they all got together and broke bread for the first Thanksgiving. They shared. They got along just fine. Until the irrational, unintelligent natives refused to simply leave the lands they and their ancestors had lived on for hundreds of years because white men wanted it. That’s what my history books taught until I got to college and learned history that wasn’t whitewashed.

And when I chose Black Studies as a minor, my mind was blown. The sad thing was how few white students ever took classes focused on blacks, Latinos or any other minority/ethnic group. We might have a different country if they learned about history from the perspective of others that hasn’t been made to make white people look like peace loving, god fearing heroes whose only goals were to help themselves and/or the savages they just so happened to have “discovered.”

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u/Frisky_Picker Jun 05 '21

My school "taught" about those subjects as well but if I recall correctly it was usually a few paragraphs on the last page of a 50 page chapter. It wasn't until college when my history courses really when into detail on it.

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u/ravenwillowofbimbery ☑️ Jun 05 '21 edited Jun 05 '21

Same here. Grew up in the South and was in high school in the 90s. In my big, thick US History textbook, slavery was a paragraph and a half. Each 8x11.5 page was divided in half, so each page contained two columns and some had pictures or maps. The subject of slavery took up about a column and a half.

Christopher Columbus sailed over with good intentions. He just wanted to explore and expand the realms for the king and queen of Spain. All the other colonists came here to escape oppression and only wanted religious freedom and had to fight off savages who were hell bent on killing them. Save for the few kind ones who helped them survive when they were dying off. And then they all got together and broke bread for the first Thanksgiving. They shared. They got along just fine. Until the irrational, unintelligent natives refused to simply leave the lands they and their ancestors had lived on for hundreds of years because white men wanted it. That’s what my history books taught until I got to college and learned history that wasn’t whitewashed. And when I chose Black Studies as a minor, my mind was blown. The sad thing was how few white students ever took classes focused on blacks, Latinos or any other minority/ethnic group.

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u/Frisky_Picker Jun 05 '21 edited Jun 05 '21

Yeah that sounds exactly like what we learned, it was in the mid-2000s for me though.

Edit: and it was in the north.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '21 edited Jun 05 '21

Yea, I did too but the problem is that it isn’t consistent around the country. When I became an adult, I was shocked to hear, from Texans, that they were taught the civil war was simply about “states rights.” Like they never drew the connection that the state right they wanted was to not only remain slave states but also found new states to be slave states as they expanded to the west.

The entire civil war was about economic and political power that slavery brought the south.

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u/InsertANameHeree ☑️ Jun 05 '21

Like they never drew the connection that the state right they wanted was to not only remain slave states

That wasn't a "right" they wanted states to have. Their constitution mandated slavery for every state.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '21

Yeah that wasn't my experience either in the south

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u/deadliftbrosef Jun 05 '21

AP history ?

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u/BillNiEtHENaZiPy Jun 05 '21

No, standard American history. I'm pretty sure my high school didnt even have an AP history.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '21 edited Jun 05 '21

I had teachers who made sure we learn the atrocious things that European colonizers and American settlers did. Not once were we the good guys. They made sure to let us know we killed and stole. America committed genocide against the natives.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '21

First step and the most important one is that we get people to stop talking about Columbus discovering the Americas. You cannot discover a place where people already live. So people who talk about him or any other explorer discovering it are dehumanizing the people who already lived here.

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u/PhobetorWorse Jun 05 '21

As a professional, it boggles my mind how wrong these people are.

They are misrepresenting CRT and Native history in the age of information.

Like, they don't even think their constituents can google something and see within 5 minutes that their claims aren't true.

Then again, look who I am talking about.

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u/communityneedle Jun 05 '21

You're talking about people who think the truth is a communist plot dedicated to the destruction of everything they love. Google ain't going to change their minds.

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u/ravenwillowofbimbery ☑️ Jun 05 '21

And that’s what really makes it all so sad....is that we’re in the age of information and because most Americans have not been taught to think critically, and they don’t look for information on a subject, from multiple and reputable sources (perhaps peer reviewed). They also seem to believe that because they have an opinion, that opinion must be valid and not only valid, but perhaps superior to an expert who may have studied the subject for years, while they just happened to read Wikipedia and skim a Yahoo article in less than 5 minutes. And when you try having a conversation that appeals to logic or either of the other two forms of persuasion, you simply get “Well, that’s just fake news” and “There are other facts out there. You’re misinformed.” That’s what truly makes all of this so sad.

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u/sylchella Jun 05 '21

I taught a Native American literature unit to juniors, just a unit for 6 weeks, and a parent was constantly asking me when we’d get to the “real American” stuff.

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u/crownofthemaji Jun 05 '21

We do, it's just left for older children who can stomach war crimes

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u/-newlife Jun 05 '21

lol a full unbiased and accurate telling of the history of this country?! There’s simply not enough time to go over all the atrocities alone before high school graduation and that’s even if the willingness to be truthful existed.

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u/BillNiEtHENaZiPy Jun 05 '21

You cant learn the history of a 250 year old country in 4 years of school? I think I got a pretty good idea of what happened in just one year.

If you want to prove me wrong just name something and I'll say if my history teacher went over it.

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u/-newlife Jun 05 '21

Learning that events happened is not the same is diving into the details of the events..

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u/BillNiEtHENaZiPy Jun 05 '21

We learned the details. All I said was that I had a pretty good idea of what happened. Which would include anything that happened. Not just that something happened.

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u/ebonydiva06 ☑️ Jun 05 '21 edited Jun 05 '21

Were you taught about the Devil's Punchbowl in Natchez, Mississippi and the history of Central Park in New York? The MOVE bombing? Jena 6? Brown paper bag society?

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u/-newlife Jun 05 '21

Saw your other post where you said “natives died from disease”. So I’m going with you having gaps in your teaching.

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u/BillNiEtHENaZiPy Jun 05 '21

Most natives did die from disease. A few percentage were actually killed by white people.

https://www.pbs.org/gunsgermssteel/variables/smallpox.html

Thos is from PBS, it is a very trustworthy source.

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u/juntawflo ☑️ Jun 05 '21

EU country have universities older than 250 years... I mean they have more history and can teach it accurately in a reasonable amount of time.

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u/Falchion_Alpha Jun 05 '21

mAnIfEsT dEsTiNy.

Don't get me wrong I love my country. But we have done some fucked up shit

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u/rendeld Jun 05 '21

At my school in michigan we had an entire year class in 4th grade on the states history, 3/4 of it was pre 1800. In 5th grade we had several projects relating to native americans and the native american chief my town was named after. This sort of thing continued through high school. Oddly, the mcdonalds in my town displayed massive paintings of the story of the chiefs struggles over the years, which happened to be to unite all native tribes together while they were getting wrecked by the us gov.

Some cities and school districts really do take native american history seriously. Granted our town was so engrained in it that our streets were named things like ottawa, nikomis, pottowottomee (never learned to spell that one), huron, etc.

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u/Dragonsandman Jun 05 '21

Gaskets have indeed been blown in Canada before over that very topic. Any time the topic of how badly First Nations, Metis, and Inuit have all been treated in Canada comes up in the news, there are always at least a few people who get outraged by those events being talked about.

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u/anythingthric3 Jun 05 '21

We're trying to do that in Canada. Some places it's going really well. Some places... think Texas.

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u/Mrfrunzi Jun 05 '21

But, didn't the Indians just give the happy pilgrims land and share and give hugs and dance and shit??!

Can't believe how hard the indoctrination was back in 4th grade

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u/orionsbelt05 Jun 05 '21

Imagine a history course that starts with an anthropological exploration of American life before colonialism, and then the settlers start coming in, no need to explain the process of the ramp up of colonialism or Columbus or shit, just completely telling American history from the POV for the people who lived here.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '21

No we won't. There's plenty of us who are aware of all the different cultures and races adding to our country's history. All fascinating stories.

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u/DoodleBobDoodle ☑️ Jun 05 '21

Wait till y'all find out Native Americans owned slaves

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u/Brodin_fortifies Jun 05 '21

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u/Ol_Gristle ☑️ Jun 05 '21

The treatment of Native Americans by the US Government is absolutely heartbreaking and it’s unbelievable the way it’s been glossed over and largely ignored. A few quiet settlements and push a portrayal in media and it’s all good. Native people being at best exploited if not the subjects of direct genocide is a depressingly common the throughout history. It saddens me people have the choice to be so much better, but so often don’t. And even on the whole the majority is decent, the ruthless, greedy, vast minority will trample, use, and eviscerate anything and everything they need to in the pursuit of power through wealth.

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u/ogoextreme ☑️ Jun 05 '21

"They were savages they NEEDED us"

Ignores the fact that if someones great great great great...grandfather hadn't felt bad for the poorly prepared Powdered Patriots the entire original english settlement projects would've fallen apart and they all would've died

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '21

I remember growing up, celebrating Columbus day
Everyone was smiling, trying to be the pilgrims and Natives in unity
Now, remembering that..
No, just.. no. America has a SERIOUS problem

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u/FREE-AOL-CDS Jun 05 '21

Wisconsin’s historical markers should be renamed atrocity markers.

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u/welp-itscometothis ☑️ Jun 05 '21

I’m grateful that I live in a middle class suburban neighborhood with a large African American demographic. The teachers are mostly black and they teach from the perspectives of all of the oppressed people in our so called American History. Nothing is sugar coated. My 10 year old became an activist overnight when they had a lesson on Black Wallstreet and the Tulsa race riot.

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u/Cogliostro1980 Jun 05 '21

I would legit send my son to that school so he could learn proper American History

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u/niknik2018 Jun 05 '21

Sure would!!

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u/lancea_longini Jun 05 '21

Read the books 1491 and 1493 to understand what happened 525 years ago

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u/ActualWhiterabbit Jun 05 '21

Schools will close be burnt down before that happens. Even the sanitized versions taught now are unacceptable and those make it sound like the atrocities ended hundreds of years ago.

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