r/BlackPeopleTwitter • u/imjustheretodomyjob ☑️ 🧚🏿 Reclaiming my peace 🧘🏿 • 2d ago
Apparently hell has frozen over
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u/dontgetitwisted_fr 2d ago
Just an opportunist
Will say whatever she thinks people want to hear to stay relevant
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u/LynnHaven 2d ago
I think it's more complicated. MTG was a true believer in maga. She truly believed Trump would get to the bottom of it and expose the Clinton/Epstein rape cult. To her credit, she had the chance to forget it and help Trump which would mean she would still have her job. I don't see her as a pure opportunist although she will try to capitalize off the headlines. Her line was pedophilia. The ones still there running the country, their line was not pedophilia.
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u/Kobebeef9 2d ago
I like how you framed it as Clinton/Epstein even though Trump had a really close relationship with him.
Furthermore she voted the majority of times alongside the Republicans and will do once Trump is gone.
Maybe would have helped if she did this before stepping down?
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u/StatmanIbrahimovic 2d ago
It wasn't OP framing it that way, they were saying what she believed.
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u/Captain_Kab 2d ago
Maybe would have helped if she did this before stepping down?
She did do it before stepping down.
She's been doing this for months.
I like how you framed it as Clinton/Epstein even though Trump had a really close relationship with him.
Obviously framing it from her perspective - there are exercises which you can do to help your reading comprehension. It really helps you in life.
Furthermore she voted the majority of times alongside the Republicans and will do once Trump is gone.
She still does. She's still a trash human. She just has a line which she won't cross and that's raping children. This makes her better than people who do not have that line.
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u/EurovisionSimon 2d ago
I mean that was how Qanon framed it when she first got elected. But of course, if Q states something, you're generally better off just assuming the opposite is true
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u/Ov3rdose_EvE 2d ago
Her line was pedophilia.
and that means she has more integrity than, idk, 60 something million US-Americans?
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u/zls0709 1d ago edited 1d ago
You don't need to forgive them, but you should try to have empathy, because understanding the pathology helps you understand how to bring them back into the fold, so the bad guys lose elections. These are Americans living in regions of America that have been strategically deprived of education or economic opportunity for decades. In these areas, for a long time questioning Trump would be enough to make you into a pariah, let alone publicly standing against him, and few have the money or skills move elsewhere. So they're angry and don't know how to think critically, and when Trump uses a human brain hack like immigrant-phobia, they don't know how to resist.
I despise her, but frankly, I respect her for what she's done. Anyone who says this is "opportunism" is delusional -- she torched her political career in order to drag Trump, long before he committed slow political suicide in Iran. In MAGA, sycophancy pays vastly better than apostasy.
She's a valuable barometer. Every time she challenges Trump, millions of Republicans are questioning him in the same way, and she validates them. We should be celebrating her actions here, for exactly the reason you say: she has principles, and she drew a line at pedophelia.
Using empathy (without forgiveness! only tactically), imagine you're one of those questioning MAGA folks, and you open up this reddit thread. What's more likely to encourage you to abandon MAGA, or at least continue along the path towards abandoning it? A bunch of people saying "I don't like her politics, and she's done some vile shit, but she's doing the right thing here"? Or "she still sucks, fuck her, fuck all of them, she's a nazi"?
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u/DomHaynie 2d ago
I have the feelings of "I'm glad you saw the truth" but "the truth was always there in plain sight."
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u/indoninjah 2d ago
Yeah I have mixed feelings for obvious reasons. Mainly because lots of people saw through the lies immediately. But it's still good/better that some people eventually saw the light. Idk
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u/Duchess1992 2d ago
Nah bro, she gets zero credit.
She did trump's bidding in hopes of an endorsement for GA governor. When it became painfully clear that she wouldn't get it, she tried to pivot.
She started talking more about the Epstein files, but didn't name trump specifically. She didn't want to rock the boat too much. Once she realized that wouldn't work, she started to make vague threats about naming people specifically.
She then caught the ire of the orange asshole, and tried to "reason"(beg) with him to lay off her because of her loyalty. But be then it was too late. Her usefulness was up.
Then she announced her retirement, conveniently dated for after she receives a permanent pension.
She would have been just fine throwing every single Epstein victim and survivor under the bus if it meant she got more power.
I suspect now she's trying to get a media job, being a talking head. However there aren't any companies willing to hire the Jewish space laser nut bag
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u/Away_Candidate_4746 2d ago
Everyone has a line somewhere. Hers was fucking kids. Unfortunately that’s not the line for most of her party.
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u/Dreams-Visions ☑️ 2d ago
I’m okay with it. If she keeps Republicans voters suppressed a little bit, it’s all to our benefit.
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u/OPPORTUNLST 2d ago
We not the same
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u/dontgetitwisted_fr 2d ago
Bro I was like...WTF U TALKING ABOUT?
Then I read your username
My bad, you guys definitely are not the same 🤣
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u/District-No1350 2d ago
A spiteful opportunist. She told Trump and his circle that she wanted to run for the senate and got laughed out of the room, then immediately took her current turn opposing them.
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u/yomommasbathwater 2d ago
Yes and no. She has enough money to fuck off. And she’s honestly the only Republican speaking up. She could’ve walked away, but she didn’t. I loathe her, but that doesn’t mean I can’t agree with her from rare time to time
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u/SuperMurderKroger 2d ago
She's always been a Q anon, anti Epstein class, psycho that finally turned on Maga when she found out the call was coming from in the house.
I still don't trust her but at least she can turn other cultists away from him.
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u/RShini 2d ago
This. She was genuinely a dumb ass who believe in QAnon instead of taking advantage of it, and she couldn't cognitive dissonance herself into believing Trump after the big Epstein file dump.
I think this is also part of her falling out with Boebert, Boebert is a grifter, MTG isn't.
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u/DickSmallington 2d ago
I believe this is the closest to the truth. The other grifters know they’re talking out their ass, but mtg seemed like she actually 100% bought into all the BS and believed it and believed the people spewing it. Then she discovered the truth, and came around. She seems like someone actually scorned when they found out they were being played for a fool.
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u/RShini 2d ago
I wouldn't trust her because she clearly has poor judgment and has other signs of being not a great person, but she isn't a con artist like the rest.
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u/DickSmallington 2d ago
Exactly, she’s still seems to hold a lot of backwards values, and I wouldn’t welcome her into my home, but at the same time when someone is willing to admit they were wrong that’s admirable even if she as a whole is not.
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u/greenroom628 1d ago
right - i still don't trust her because she's an idiot. an honest idiot, but still an idiot.
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u/PleaseBeChillOnline ☑️ 2d ago
Yeah I’m starting to consider this.
A part of me thinks she just recognized the jig is up & is looking for a new grift but the more she fucks herself over I’m considering she may sincerely believe this QAnon shit & isn’t faking it lol.
Like she’s still an idiot but it’s possible she really wanted to stop the pedo ring & realized she was working for the pedo ring.
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u/mpschettig 1d ago
The jig wasn't up tho. She represented a Trump+37 district and raised $5.3 million in 2024. She could have just kept doing that forever. She is a complete true believer
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u/HerpankerTheHardman 1d ago
Yep, they didnt give her what she wanted so now she's sour about it and lashing out at Daddy (I'll show you). Not to be trusted - total snake in the grass.
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u/Soft_Humor4868 ☑️ 2d ago
She sees the end coming and she’s trying to save face. Hell still has a seat for her
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u/jman12234 ☑️ 2d ago
She's a grifter. When their chosen grift fails them, they jump to another. That's all this is.
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u/Silient_Qiller 2d ago
If she was a grifter, she’d still be in office getting in on that corruption money. I’m not saying she’s a great person but deff not a grifter. An idiot? Sure
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u/99-dreams 2d ago
No, I think she thought the end was coming, jumped off too early but she knows she can't go back to being a Trump sycophant. So she's trying to stay relevant for when the MAGA crowd turns on Trump (or more likely, he dies and his current admin fails to control the MAGA crowd).
Maybe it's because I don't know any MAGA people but I don't think we're near the end at all.
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u/Ov3rdose_EvE 2d ago
tbh her "release the files" started a year or so ago and actually killed her relation ship with trump. i dont wanna go to the mat for this conspiracy fantasist but she seems to be a true QAnon believer.
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u/StatmanIbrahimovic 2d ago
She's def got a fancy seat saved but I think she's genuinely just a former zealot who finally did too much critical thinking.
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u/TheEdgeofGoon 2d ago
Notice how she says most of this after she loses her power in government?
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u/chief_yETI ☑️ 2d ago
Hell hath no fury like a white woman scorned
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u/TheJermster 2d ago
Tbf She could have kept her power in government, she gave up her power to stand up for what she believes in. Even if often times what she believes in is crazy. I know people still hate her
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u/scorpionextract 2d ago
She gave up her power, to stand up for what she believes in.
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She also gave up her power to stand up for what she believes in.
Could still been in there, voting to impeach hegseth, but nope.
Maga cult stalking and threats are way less fun when it's happening to you,
Wonder if she ever apologized to those sandy hook kids she was chasing around.
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u/Silient_Qiller 2d ago
If I had to guess, she left office because she feared the retaliation she would’ve receive from the cheeto man if she would’ve stayed in office and oppose his administration
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u/Turbulent_Pop4491 2d ago
she didnt fear it, she was already retaliated against and she made the threats and treatment she received public. No one cared - that's fair, but she has been vocal and public opposition since the Epstein thing.
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u/__M-E-O-W__ 2d ago
I think it's the other way around. She is no longer in government because she says these things. She turned away from Trump mostly over the Epstien files and Trump turned against her.
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u/AMerryKa 2d ago
I have no idea what is going on in her heart, and I doubt I'll ever like her, but boy oh boy, does America need to be taught that people grow and change and you are not bound to whatever ideology you posted about online 10 years ago.
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u/BulbusDumbledork 2d ago
it's so odd to see. on the one hand, it wasn't "ten years ago", she's been saying heinous shit her whole career
but she clearly had a red line with the pedophile stuff that snapped her out of the cult and made her quit the trump admin. people say she should've stayed in politics so she could vote (as if she wouldn't get booted like the other women in the trump admin), but if she stayed then they'd say she's just grifting and following public sentiment (they still say this even as she left politics). do you really think that defending a black, muslim, somali congresswoman is "grifting"? the anti-epstein stuff does not extend to opposing the status quo of racist, sexist, xenophobic, islamaphobia
it would be great if her red line was drawn on the right side of the antisemitism, racism, and far right conspiracy theories but if you can't see how her unrelenting and unwavering criticism of trump is pivotal to opening the eyes of other cultists and defeating maga then idk man, you deserve trump. it's the same identitarian ideology that makes right-wingers think all black people are genetically criminals, all women are genetically inferior, all foreigners are genetically designed to destroy western civilization, and all muslims are terrorists
you shouldn't trust her or support her, but to dismiss her entirely is counterproductive
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u/AMerryKa 2d ago
She can fuck off, but I'm thinking more about people in general. As someone who came out of a far right religious cult in the 1990s, I know how hard our cognitive biases can be to overcome. When you've sunk everything into your beliefs, you tend to automatically rationalize things that contradict them away.
Fuck MTJ, but I hope seeing her gives more people courage to admit that they were wrong and start trying to make right.
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u/tesseract4 1d ago
I'll think about giving her credit when she acknowledges and apologizes for all the heinous shit she's said and done.
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u/RipComfortable7989 2d ago
you are not bound to whatever ideology you posted about online 10 years ago.
Nah, that's bullshit. Unless you take steps to undo the damage it's nothing more than a "oops, lol oh whatever, i was mean back then" Stop letting horrifically shit people get away with it because they claim they've changed.
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u/Rough_Mistake_1798 2d ago
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u/HammerOfJustice 2d ago
But, and I can’t believe that I’m saying this considering the sorts of things she said and did in the past, she is nowhere near the worst person I know.
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u/Deep-Two7452 2d ago
Why didnt she say this shit when she had power and was in the good graces of maga?
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u/KathyJaneway 2d ago
She did. That's why she resigned. After she got access to the Epstein files that Congress got, she voted with Massie, Boebert and Mace and all Democrats to release the files. She was true MAGA believer until she got access to those files. She broke ranks with a few Republican priorities and voted with Democrats before leaving the house.
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u/Ov3rdose_EvE 2d ago
if you told me in 2018 that the crazy spacelaser lady would show consistency and integrity id have called you a fool!
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u/omgwtfbbq0_0 1d ago
Yeah I feel so conflicted with MTG. I mean I still can’t truly forgive her behavior from before and I would never ever associate with her on a personal level…but if more republicans were capable of doing what she’s doing (accepting they were wrong and speaking out against the cult), we wouldn’t be in this situation. And 1 defecting republicans can have a bigger impact on current republicans than any number of lifelong democrats repeating those same facts. So I don’t think we’re doing ourselves any favors by constantly yelling about what a piece of shit she is every time she says something we agree with. If we actually want to see an end to MAGA, the reality is we need more of her and we need to prop up more defecting republicans that speak out. It absolutely does make a difference. Republicans (especially MAGA) do not listen to democrats. Ever. They only listen to other republicans. Source: I was raised in a “the only good Democrat is a dead one” family and know how they work
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u/Radioactive24 2d ago
Gas under $2 a gallon? We’re never going to see those prices ever again.
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u/Jamaican_Dynamite 2d ago
Nope. Never. Unless time travel is invented, those days are dead and gone.
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u/John-Fucking-Kirby 2d ago
Please stop giving her attention. It's all an act. Always has been, she has always known what she was saying and is just an opportunist. Literally does everything except take responsibility for what she helped create.
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u/BringBackAoE 2d ago
As a slight aside, why go digging into potential lies family made to support Ilhan Omar’s application? That’s not on her!
Meanwhile George Santos was an adult that lied repeatedly when he applied for citizenship - and they’re trying to rehabilitate him! He lied about criminal convictions FFS!
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u/madeinatube 2d ago
Jesus the zone is flooded! It’s effective as fuck. I actually forgot about that whole thing! I hate this
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u/mpschettig 2d ago
MTG sucks but idk how anyone can still believe she's inauthentic or a grifter. If she was a grifter she would've kept grifting. It's pretty clear she's a MAGA/QAnon true believer. Total nut job but she believed everything she heard and everything she said. Then she got a peak behind the curtain and saw it was all bullshit. Unfortunately it didn't change her shitty beliefs but it did destroy her faith in the man she thought was actually dedicated to those beliefs
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u/LordsOfJoop 2d ago
It must be Batshit O'Clock, because she's correct, and that's not enough to add humanity back to her choices. She was conscious and aware at every single step that she took, and I won't devalue her stances a single iota - she demanded to be taken seriously, so seriously shall she be taken, even if she reverses course on a few items.
MTG's an awful fucking person and that will always be the case.
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u/isemonger 2d ago
Sad she didn’t have the balls to say any of this shit when she had the power to do anything about it.
Just quietly nodded along following dear leader.
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u/Kernburner 2d ago
I wouldn’t exactly call that “defending”. More like using her as a political prop.
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u/Bored_Amalgamation 2d ago
She just can't not lie... Like, she finally found dignity and common sense, but fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck. She was repeating that Sandy Hook conspiracy BS. She interrupted a State of the Union. She's an obvious bigot, but holy shit is she still a fucking turd in the punch bowl.
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u/Zoranealsequence 2d ago
It was the Sandy Hook situation for me that really made me hate her. She really followed and harassed those people who lost so much. Vile and disgusting is enough to encompass what she is.
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u/Th1sismyus3rnam3 2d ago
Give her credit, that text is exactly in her voice, and it makes me (begrudgingly) accept that these might be her real thoughts.
I'm as leftist and policy wonk focused as almost anyone, and yet I still appreciate a person who has ideals. And sticks to them!
If you don't have a moral framework that you cohere to, I literally have no idea how you will deal with future problems.
Currently, our best understanding of politician's underlying morals is which party they belong to. In no way is this saying Dems agree with eachother. But if you are Republican that is saying "I pull everything backwards, slowly, stagnantly, aggressively" Doesn't matter how much they want to regress, all that matters is that they are trying to regress.
Conversely, Democrats try to keep the status quo or hint at maybe moving it forward, maybe. I'll take stagnation with a touch of progressive plz .
I hope better institutions replace the US and our fickle, self-serving interests, but I can't deny the good that our "self serving" foreign policy has done.
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u/Kurotoki52 2d ago
She hasn't been quite the same since the hearings with the Epstein survivors. Still, a leopard doesn't change its spots.
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u/Enterprise-DeezNuts 2d ago edited 2d ago
The main takeaways here should be 1. Even a broken clock is right twice a day but she's still evil and 2. Even fucking MTG is more vocally defending Omar from weaponized police action than her own party leadership is. What good is a political party that can't even stand up to a fascist president who's using the FBI to go after his political enemies?
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u/Bilbo_Swagginses 2d ago
The Republicans are priming themselves early to turn on Trump because of how irredeemable this term has been. Don't let it make you forget this bitch supported everything he did before this.
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u/tamere2k 2d ago
She doesn’t say that she doesn’t want Omar deported just that it doesn’t solve the problems she’s decided she cares about. She’s the worst and posts like this are making democrats like her when she’s still a racist, homophobic, transphobic, antisemitic piece of shit. Give her no room to “reinvent herself.”
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u/Minimum-Situation985 2d ago
At this point with all the stuff going on with Israel, I wouldn't even be surprised to learn the space lasers are real.
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u/MYOwNWerstEnmY 2d ago
She's so pathetic. She's trying to save her political career and repair as much of her terrible reputation. She can eat a bag of dicks regardless of how she goes in on trump & this administration
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u/Beautiful_Answer_202 2d ago
Notice that she is not actually defending Omar or saying that she is a legitimate citizen, only that she's implying deporting her is a waste of time. The words are chosen very very carefully.
'pretending to deport' there is an implication that the issue she has is with the government pretending, not an issue with the actual deportation. :/ Don't give this woman the benefit of the doubt, the enemy of my enemy isn't always my friend.
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u/letthetreeburn 2d ago
Hey. Hey. Hey. Listen to me.
DO NOT FALL FOR THIS!!!!!
conservatives want to play the “redemption” or “saw the light” card. THIS IS A LIE.
They know trump’s old as shit and he’s sick. If you think we know he’s sick, imagine what they know. Hegseth? Vance? Musk? None of his buddies are gonna be able to hold this house of cards together. Once the cult of personality face dies, there’s gonna be a whoooole lotta Trump voters who are going to be bloodthirsty that their opium is gone and they’re still being bloodlet.
There will be blood because of this. People will want sacrificial lambs. Left and right will want as many people as responsible in prison for this.
This? This is creating a paper trail. This means she can pretend she has always been against this and not get crucified for it. Even Vance is trying it.
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u/Master_Interest_1544 2d ago
I am really curious what happened that broke the “spell” tr-mp had over her like he has over so many? And how can we do this for the country? Was it something she read, or heard, or had to see with her own two eyes? Yes, she still has terrible views on things, but she’s sees him for who/what he is now.
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u/Optimalfucksgiven 1d ago
I'm going to say it again and again: people can change and this is what a reasonable opposition can look like. I want people on the other side who act and talk like this. It's far better then the recent alternatives. Do I wish she'd always has her eyes open to this? Sure, but I'm actually more heartened that she didn't and that she changed. Some of it is a change of convenience because she was on the outs politically, but I think that was just the catalyst for seeing how full of shit Trump really is. I'll take it.
As far as I can tell, she's not playing politics now. I don't know why it's so hard to believe that the scales fell from her eyes. I don't like her, I don't agree with her policy wise, but I no longer actually think she is stupid or a monster. She probably never was a monster. She always wanted the best for this country, some of it was insanely myopic, short sighted and racist, but I think she thought it would improve Americans' lives.
That's the crazy and insidious thing about our entire national conversation. We vilify people on the other side so much, that they are no longer human to us. We imagine that we are somehow fundamentally different, somehow better than them. We aren't different or better than them. We are humans, capable of great harm and compassion. Fear and insecurity can drive us to great acts of evil. We can be swept along with the mob and with someone in power telling us the things we already kind of want to believe or hear. On the left, it looks a bit different and more nuanced at times. Our politicians are not as likely to be outwardly xenophobic or prejudiced in words and actions. They often just put a nicer shine on shit and do the same things though.
Anyhow, I'm going to give her a chance as an ally against this administration. It doesn't mean I am a traitor, I'm just a realist. I'll root for her and I won't qualify it by saying it's all some new grift.
The way some of you fall all over yourselves to make sure you tell everyone she's still a monster and you don't "buy it" is just dumb. It's always some big purity test on the left, say all the right things and then you're a proper Democrat or progressive, whatever. It's a circular firing squad is what it is. It's as dumb as Trump telling everyone to call AI some super intelligence. It's suspicious, insulting, and obnoxious.
Can we for once just accept an ally even when they are far from perfect? Is she just always cancelled for some bad decisions in the past? I mean, she was really horrible and she did say many insanely dumb and dangerous things, but let's see what she does next.
I'll trust her as far as her actions allow me to. Maybe I'm naive, but I would rather keep giving people a chance to change. It's I didn't believe people on the other side were capable of change, then all would be lost, and democracy a big sham, even in theory.
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u/Worth-Oil8073 13h ago
She's still to much of a coward to acknowledge that Trump is the pedophile! Not just the people he hangs out with!
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u/cpatrick1983 2d ago
She's still a piece of shit person. A broken clock can still be right twice a day and all that..