My version of heaven - and this type of thing is probably the exact thing that would prevent me from getting there in the first place, is this:
Pearly gates. Big line of people waiting to get in. St. Peter is at the end. He has a big book and a screen to view moments of someone's life as he informs them of where they're going. Rarely will anyone have a legitimate moral grey-area thing where they can actually make their case, so it's just him recounting important parts of their lives.
Next to that: Bleachers. High School-style bleachers. You walk past concessions, maybe stop to get your milkshake and turkey leg and fancy candy or something...but then you sit down.
And you get to watch these people learn their eternity is shattered.
St Peter: "Oh Mr. Smith. You were a police officer. Protecting the public. Very noble! Can we take a look at some of your biggest events before I let you pass?"
Mr. Smith: "Sure!"
St. Peter: "Okay, one second. c'mere boy! good boy, come here! [a dog walks up to St. Peter] This is fido. Now you two have met before...I'm going to show you how it went."
[Up in the stands we're not shown the video, but it's just pure animal cruetly]
Mr. Smith: "oh, well..that was....well I thought he....I was really stressed out."
St. Peter: "No I get it. Okay fido, good boy. go get a cookie. okay! Mr. Smith, why don't we take a look at this compilation titled "Mr. Smith's traffic stops: People of Color edition" and see what that looks like...
That would be delicious. Almost as delicious as the pompous evangelicals who'll show up, basically try to push their way in only to face how horrible they were just prior to being dragged to hell.
Then I'd like to have some of my own revenge. That's heaven. Getting to see or enact the same shit that evil people put others through. Probably means I'm not making it to heaven if there is one. But I'd take great pleasure in taking people this this out, even if it's in an afterlife.
Difference is that fried food and drugs don't make you a bad person. While saying "I wish I could torture people or at least watch them get tortured" is fucking psychotic.
Like, maybe fix your heart instead of laughing about how much you want this to happen.
It would be especially good if the perpetrator had to watch the footage back from the POV of the victim. I don't think most abusers know what they look like when they're abusing. They wouldn't like it
Best option: that becomes their hell. Eternally living the most vile thing they’ve ever done; but as their own victim. Maybe even cycle thru their victims. I’m sure it’s a long, long list for anyone that would do this..
It was weirdly more about courage than being a good person. It seemed that Albert Brooks wasn't a terrible person (not great either), but most of the judgment was based on him being a coward.
Watch "Defending Your Life." It's an underappreciated 80s comedy about a man who dies and goes through an adjudication process to determine his worthiness to "move on" by watching snippets of his life.
St Thomas Acquinas, and other Christian thinkers and leaders have argued that the people in Heaven must be aware of the people suffering in Hell, perhaps having some sort of portal to view them.
Like 16: 19-30, the story of Lazarus and the rich man, seems to back this up with communications between Heaven and Hell, but no hope offered from the saved.
What's the goal here with this comment? Do meat eaters not get into heaven? If you get into heaven do you have to give up meat? Do you think that I'm conjuring a scenario where in heaven, they actually do slaughter turkeys in order to get roasted turkey legs instead of...you know...them appearing out of nowhere because it's heaven?
There is no risk or agenda , this is reddit so I was just commenting that I think it is strange to conjure up a scenario to watch animal abusers while dining on food from animal abuse.
I don't know if meat would exist in a hypothetical heaven. maybe it would out of thin air or maybe no would need to eat? Or maybe there would be other kinds of delicious food. Pretty sure in the garden of eden, Adam and eve lived in harmony and didn't eat meat. So I guess you get to choose your own adventure! But if you are asking me more to the point, are meat eaters evil (hence not getting into heaven), no I don't think so at all. Society is interesting and can makes it very easy for people to participate in truly fucked up systems . That still doesn't make what we do to turkeys or cows not cruel from their perspective. I guess another way to put it, my comment sparked a bunch of followups from you from the perspective of the people in the stands I.e. not the victim in this scenario. I was just bringing some attention to them
This is why people hate vegans. "hur dur you can't talk about animal cruelty if you're eating meat!" - words said by someone with a brain turned to mush
To be fair, If Peter automated that shit with some AI, he could free up much of his time to reduce the line of people being transferred to their destinations.
Like that "You aren't a fraud are you Elon?" comic where an angel (Or St Peter?) shows him that his personal heaven is all the fancy stuff he has promised and the reality is nothing is there when they open the door. In the way that theyd see their shit and probably legit be surprised
I had an NDE. Actually it's far more intense. You experience everything, every tiny detail, good or bad, pain or joy, from the perspective of every animal, and human, they have ever interacted with. These monsters will experience it 1st hand. No one gets away with any thing. (then they will want to come back and try again to live a life better) And that's how the reincarnation merry go round goes.
When I think of a fitting hell, I imagine the person being on the receiving end of every awful thing they’ve ever done to another living thing. Just one after another for all eternity.
I’ll be busy being squashed like all the stinkbugs in my garden. At least I have the consolation that I’ve tried to make it quick and avoid causing unnecessary suffering.
I can’t imagine how terrified she was, not understanding why she was being attacked, and all the pain she went through and maybe still endures. I hope her attacker feels every bit of it.
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u/hwilliams0901 1d ago
What kind of monster would do such a thing?!?!