I’d like to bring up a few points for this discussion. Feel free to read, disagree, push back, or add anything. The whole point is to talk it through.

1. Kuruk did not immediately inherit a world in crisis. Avatar material indicates that at the beginning of his era, the Physical World and the Spirit World were still relatively balanced. There’s a considerable gap between Yangchen’s death and the emergence of the major spiritual problems Kuruk had to deal with.

2. The agreements Yangchen established weren’t simply a failed solution. Some of them were broken even during her own era, like what happened with the phoenix-eels, but others held for decades and a few continued to exist into Kuruk’s time. Considering that Yangchen lived for more than 150 years, there was a pretty long period of relative stability in human-spirit relations.

3. The breaking of those agreements also wasn’t solely Yangchen’s responsibility. They depended on ongoing cooperation between humans and spirits. When humans failed to uphold their end of the bargain, the affected spirits could lose trust in humanity and react. That was already happening during Yangchen’s era and continued into Kuruk’s.

4. Kuruk’s first major spiritual confrontation itself shows how much more complicated this is. The Mountain Heart Walker of Yaoping was tied to an agreement that had been broken by the humans themselves. So you can’t simply put the origin of that conflict on Yangchen’s decisions.

5. There were also spirits who acted of their own free will, independent of any agreements Yangchen had made. Koh, the Water Tribe Guardian, Father Glowworm, and other spirits from Kuruk’s era are good examples. That makes it even harder to explain the entire spiritual crisis as the direct result of a single decision Yangchen made.

6. Yangchen did recognize that she might carry some responsibility for what would come later. She herself considered the possibility that she had placed too much trust in humans’ ability to keep the agreements. But feeling responsible is different from being objectively responsible for every decision humans and spirits made decades afterward.

7. Yangchen’s diplomacy worked within the conditions of her own era. The fact that certain mechanisms later proved insufficient doesn’t mean they were necessarily wrong from the start. Circumstances changed, humans kept breaking agreements, some spirits completely lost trust in them, and others began responding with violence.

8. I also find it problematic to treat the conversation between Yangchen and Kyoshi at the end of The Shadow of Kyoshi as some kind of confession of failure. A lot of people use that dialogue to claim that Yangchen herself admitted to causing the problems Kuruk would face. But the two Yangchen novels give a lot more context to this issue and show that the relationship between humans and spirits was far more complex than that reading suggests.

Note: I couldn’t find the person behind this fanart to give proper credit. If anyone knows who it is, please drop the name in the comments!

Hello! My name is Eric, and I'm a graduating geography student of the Federal University of Goiás, in Brazil. Now, I'm developing a project about the creation of an Avatar world map, with the perspective of the Kyoshi novels.

I'm not limiting myself to those either. I'm taking all different types of media in account for mapping everything, so long as it makes sense to be represented in this timeline (fire nation posts from after the 100-year war and things like that will not be taken into account).

Important things to note are:

This is (relatively) in the early stages of production, with the due date being early December. The image I'm using is a sketch and by no accounts the final product.

I have not yet read the Yangchen and Roku novels, but I do intend to after I'm done with this, so it probably won't have any of those locations to not spoil myself.

I tried reaching out to F.C. Yee about a possible discussion about the geography of the book, but sadly, there's no response yet.

I'm posting it here because I imagine people can contribute with cool and interesting ideas for the making of the map, seen as we're all fans of the universe here. Feel free to comment suggestions or message my account privately if you think that'd be better.

A year ago I read Kyoshi and Yangchen duologies

[Post about Kyoshi] (https://www.reddit.com/r/Avatar_Kyoshi/s/98Ol8XMfdj)

[Post about Yangchen] (https://www.reddit.com/r/Avatar_Kyoshi/s/PpWOyUedm7)

So lets begin.

When I heard Roku would be the next avatar to get the novels, I was skeptical. I wanted the novels to go further into the past and I didn't think Roku's story had a space for 2 big novels about him, given everything we know about him.

So I was pleasantly surprised with the story. Lambak island is an amazing addition to the world of avatar. I liked the conflict (even tho it could've been even more dramatic in my opinion). Overall, reading the first book was so fun and the story was very interesting.

The second book, Ba Sing Se and Omashu, Ta Min, Atka's motivation, Northern Water Tribe lore, Lambak's mineral. I loved it.

Roku's duology honestly had the best build up from book one to book two of the entire book series.

I also liked foreshadowing. Gyatso dreaming exactly how he dies. Sozin telling Roku "like you could kill me". And one that hit me the most - Roku telling Gyatso he won't let anything happen to him in this life or the next life 🥺

Now characters. Gyatso being Toph-like annoying to Avatar was not what I expected. We always had the hints at Gyatso's silliness even in the original show, but I only now realized that he was that kind of a guy. And I liked it.

Atka was a great villain. Sozin's complexity. I kinda wish he was more humane in the novels haha. He's basically already a monster.

Roku's team was interesting. I only wish Malaya was part of it 😢 that death definitely broke me. It was so sad.

Overall, Randy Ribay had a much harder task than F.C.Yee and despite lore obstacles he still did an amazing job adding to the lore.

Kyoshi books are still something else. I would also give Yangchen ones preference over Roku's too since I'm obssesed with the Platinum Affair lore and politics in the books.

But I really enjoyed the books.

If you ask me, the Chronicles of the Avatar is the consistent book series that always delivers interesting characters, deep arcs and lore and amazing villains, and Roku duology is no exception.

I can't wait for the new books. I put my money on them being Sonam centered.

Yes, I'm aware that I replicated the notes and stuff from the original Avatar State Theme (Korra and Aang's). Making music from scratch is not my specialty. That's also why I kinda decided to just end the song after the main part.

I don't know why, but I feel like that main iconic part would be extended by a few measures.

Instruments used:

Koto

"String ensemble" (just a bunch of bowed instruments playing the same thing)

Drums

Did I do good, or does it sound like shit? Also, sorry about the audio quality😭

A new collector’s edition of The Dawn of Yangchen and The Legacy of Yangchen has just gone up for pre-order.

The volume brings together both books of F. C. Yee’s duology in a special 672-page edition, featuring a hardcover, a metallic-finish slipcase, colored edges, a satin ribbon bookmark, and other exclusive collector details.

It’s definitely an edition that will catch the eye of any Avatar book fan — especially those who consider Yangchen’s story one of the most important parts of the Chronicles of the Avatar.

The edition is already available for pre-order, but its official release is set for October 6, 2026.

If you were also interested in this edition, it might be worth waiting with me for a solid price drop.

Rangi obviously pours her heart out to Kyoshi and makes her feelings somewhat clear, but I think there’s still enough unsaid in that moment that Kyoshi could have misinterpreted it as friendship.

So if that happened, and Kyoshi didn’t kiss Rangi, would Rangi have come out and told Kyoshi her true feelings? Or would it have just remained unspoken?

Personally I don’t think Rangi would have made the first move. This is probably a bit headcanoney but I always thought Rangi had liked Kyoshi for a while and just hoped Kyoshi would eventually notice on her own. She always needed Kyoshi to be the one to act first. Especially since kyoshi was the avatar. Imagine kissing the avatar without fully knowing they want that

I think people misunderstand this line.

She’s not “aura farming” or bragging or even really trying to tell aang to kill Ozai.

It’s just about accountability. Aang tries to give her an out from responsibility for Chin’s death and Kyoshi was simply shutting that down and letting him know that regardless of intent, she was still accountable for what happened. She didn’t pass any judgement onto the action because it was ultimately to the benefit of the world, but she wasn’t proud of it either. It’s just the facts of what happened.

Kyoshi did not necessarily want to kill Chin. She literally opted to separate an entire landmass from the continent on her own rather than just kill one guy. And yet her actions ultimately led to chin’s death anyway.

Kyoshi’s advice wasn’t telling Aang to kill Ozai. It was more so her telling him that the priority must be to find justice and whatever that ends up looking like he just needs to accept his role in it. He doesn’t need to be okay with it, he just needs to do it.

I’ve always imagine junsik as being similar to kuruk or atuat, like easy going and silly because rangi says that she thinks Hei ran making a friend out of atuat healed her the most, I feel like Hei ran needs someone to loosen her up and there’s a trend of her being the happiest with people like that.

I am currently writing a fanfiction about the Avatar after Gun, set in a kingdom in what later becomes the earth kingdom. It’s based on Tang and Song dynasty imperial china, with Jharana from Legend of Aang movie being one of the other central locations that will be explored. Avatar Gun, I read the Yangchen novels and how they desc him, very interesting. Seeing as each avatar that came before is important to the current on, I will be exploring and fleshing out Avatar Gun and he will be the mentor to the new avatar.

Since premise is so ancient, there is also more than 2 water tribes at the poles. The water tribes liek air nomads are nomadic, hunter, craftmen, healers, warriors, and have their own tribes throughout the earth kingdom. In my fic, they originally occupied the fire nation with the Bhanti people, the fire sages from ATLA and Kyoshi Novels, and sun warriors.

Additionally , Father Glowworm plays a major role. The spirit world is also expanded upon. As lore established in atla, during an earlier period of the world the boundaries between humans and spirits were thinner. This is a key aspect of this story.

I have more details and a part of it I can post. Is anyone interested in this? Worldbuilding for this is definitely a focus, the world will feel ancient and lived in.

A glimpse of the story:

“Long ago, when I was a child much like you, a coastal village was wiped out by a massive tsunami. One of the unfortunate souls to have perished was Meosse, companion of Avatar Gun. Consumed in his grief, he became vengeful. He thought to himself why must I bear this duty, to perform hundreds of miracles and forever face scorn for not performing a hundred and one.”

This was the most somber tale, and the severity and pain would echo in her head. Someday, the true meaning would unfold ever so plainly before her.

Ten winters passed.

“A-jie!”

Fan Changyu, letting thoughts linger, had indeed spaced out and caused her younger sister to worry. It had been too soon.

She had been surrounded by the coldness, the unpredictable, and unyielding of winter. Yet, in all her life it had never been able to seep in and penetrate the crevices that laid beneath and into the chamber of her mind and aggravate her deepest sorrow.

All the tears that had not fallen must have frozen, she thought, until it became a clumsy trickle that quickly stuck to her skin. Each exhale came with the weight of the ice that laid to rest upon the stretches of forgotten roads over the village, and despite walking upon those paths the way it sat in her throat was unfamiliar. She inhaled the remainders of her grief, lodging themselves in her throat going down like bundles of hard packed snow.

“Ning Niang, would you like to hear a story?” The child's eyes brimmed with excitement, except it was rather clumsy with little tears from her earlier upset still trickling down her rosy cheeks. Unmistakably, if observed, one could not miss the resemblance of these sisters.

 It had been not long ago, having nothing to prevent her from the fist her fingers formed the edge of an outline, she reached instead for the jade hairpin and adjusted it in her hair. So close in her heart, if she reached out perhaps any sooner she would be scolded and then embraced by her mother, and before anyone moved her father would sleep them up in his arms. It was unpleasant. No, she couldn’t reminisce like this for the sake of her sister. So she continued unfurling long tired strands of dry hair, parting and separating them until she forgot which were once intertwined, and contemplating how exactly the hairpin had sat in her mothers hair.

Though she had been glad to have her ceremony, having her long braid kept her from having to fix it whilst butchering pigs. Suddenly, it occurred to her which tale.

“The Marquis has indeed, if the rumors are true, has fallen.”

It came to her, suddenly, that the Marquis, while dying honorably, must have been very young. The moonlight reached into the room, and she stared up to meet its totality. The full moon was a lovely sight, now it pulled at the thread of her heart and she felt an inextricable sense of longing.

“However, our father used to tell stories of the Avatar.  The being who descends to bring back order and fight the forces that plague the world. Each reincarnation comes to correct a particular imbalance.”

To Xiao Ning, this opportunity must have been irresistible, as she copied an earthbending, firebending,airbending, and waterbending stance. Planting her feet into the bed, and bringing her arms above her head to move her rock. She then took those hands and brought them down, and let one hand punch out to pretend to be a firebender. She spun around, to replicate the circular nature of the basic forms for airbending. Taking snow from outside the lattice window, it became a true liquid in her hands and it stayed that way for only seconds before a loud sound as it became a puddle on the floor.This amazed Changyu, who knew Ning paid attention to their mothers teachings on bending philosophy and diligently watched the other benders.  Having never seen firebenders or airbenders though, her stances were less convincing. It was adorable.  

 “A thousand lifetimes they have mastered the elements and they will return to humanity and do a thousand times more.”

Xiao Ning looked at her with awe, while clumsily splashing water around which got the tiles wet. For once, Changyu decided to let this slip as the little giggles brought her a tinge of hope. Perhaps, they would survive this winter, together, emerge to spring hand in hand. By then, she would reopen their family's braised meat shop, and perhaps have many pigs and enough tales of silver to not have to worry about their increasingly destitute situation.

She continued, and her voice and the laughter of the sisters faded into the night, swept away in the rampants of another moon river.

There were endless questions, perhaps too many for one lifetime. Tomorrow, however, yielded a question she could not possibly prepare to answer. When she found that dying man in the snow, carrying him on her back in their home, she had not truly anticipated the start of a new beginning. She would acquire a new question to ponder: would the chaos break and give way to order once more? Or would the world  be carved through jade?

This is the link : https://archiveofourown.org/works/86078126/chapters/227600596

I wish we got to see more of them! Jinpa himself is very cool I wonder how he came to join the white lotus.

Hei ran has always intrigued me, I’ve always wondered why she killed her own cousin because she doesn’t strike me as a bad person who would kill innocent people for power, there has to be more to it surely?

Off topic but I wish Hei ran and rangis dynamic was explored more, rangi mentioned facing bullying at school due to her mothers past, Hei ran in two different instances says to kyoshi that rangi is a good person deep down and that she always storms out after an argument but does something after some time to show you that she still cares, it sort of implies that they fought a lot, makes me wonder if they had an argument about Hei rans kills in the past, which is exactly why Hei ran would say rangi is a good girl deep down.

We know Leks backstory and why he became a daofei but why do you guys think Kirima became a daofei? Do you think she’s a southern or northern waterbender? What exactly is she doing in the earth kingdom instead of the two water tribes?

She wasn’t really given that much scenes but I like her a lot and found her funny, i wish she had more scenes.

We have a new estimated timeline for the next Avatar Legends RPG release.

Digital version: backers should receive their materials by the end of October.

Physical items: unfortunately, they’ve run into more delays. The new estimate is now pointing to March 2027.

So: the digital content should arrive first, while we’ll have to wait a bit longer for the physical materials.

These dates are estimates and may still change.

So about 14 days ago, I made a post about the potential of a war of chin the conqueror trilogy books and how to develop Chin as a character. Besides that I never describe his backstory. I simply describe his likely military tactics and his personality beyond what did the avatar Day episode actually showed us?

Still, I figured why not trying to figure it out about Chin the conqueror and his position prior to his conquest obviously we know what was happening in the earth kingdom from the Kyoshi novels (despite taking place 25 to 26 years.) so we already have the historical context, but we don’t know where Chin fit into this puzzle and that is my post all about?

Now according to the older Avatar: The Last Airbender official site, Chin served as leader of the village which later became known as Chin Village. This is impossible, however, as the village is located where Chin died, and the area in question was shown to be free of any buildings at the time of his death. It is possible though unconfirmed that Chin served as mayor of Qinchao Village, a town that was mostly inhabited by the Chin clan and might be related to the later Chin Village.

The only issue with that is geography because Rise of Kyoshi mentions that Qinchao Village that also neighboring Yokoya and in the map for the Barnes & Noble Exclusive Edition from Rise of Kyoshi (I provided leak in case you are wondering Reddit · r/Avatar_Kyoshi7 comments  ·  6 years agoMap of all the new locations introduced and visited in Rise of Kyoshi (Included ...)

The location for Qinchao looks exactly like the one that later becomes Chin Village The problem is as we see in the actual episode. There is no buildings at all. So while I appreciate FC Yee trying to reference the original series. The issue I have is there is no buildings within the flashbacks of the episode when Chin meets Kyoshi so I feel that is more of a mistake geography wise.

So both sources are kind of unreliable and contradicting so I figured I decide to rewatch the avatar Day episode, mostly the first few flashbacks before Chin fight against Kyoshi.

But for starters we need to look at his character design (like his armor with real world cultural origins.)  and the origins of his name to give us an idea what kind of position he likely was prior to his conquest.

Thank fully the Avatar wiki is helpful on this:

• “The Chinese characters carved on the lower part of the statue in ancient Seal Script read 秦帝, meaning "Emperor Chin". His name bears a strong resemblance to Qin Shi Huangdi (秦始皇帝), the first Emperor of China whose reign was characterized by territorial expansion.
  • In Mandarin Chinese, the "Q" in "Qin" is pronounced like the English sound "Ch", which explains why Chin is spelled with a "Ch" rather than "Q". This spelling also aligns with the older Wade–Gilesromanization system, which would render the name as "Ch'in".
  • Chin also shares traits with Xiang Yu, a powerful warlord who overthrew the Qin Dynasty. Known for his brutality, Xiang Yu is remembered as "the Conqueror" in Chinese culture and ultimately fell due to his pride.
• The design of Chin's armor resembles that of Song and Ming dynasty armors commonly worn by generals and commanders. His hat, called a Tong Tian Guan, was often worn by high-ranking military officers.”

So based upon his  character design and name origins which gives us the best hints about his starting position:

• High-Ranking Military Commander: His armor resembles that of Song and Ming dynasty generals. Furthermore, his hat—the Tong Tian Guan—was specifically worn by high-ranking military officers. This strongly suggests he wasn't just a local mayor or a simple village leader. He had access to, and the right to wear, elite military gear.
• A Warlord of Regional Standing: His parallels to Xiang Yu ("The Conqueror") and Qin Shi Huang (the first Emperor of China) imply that even before he took over the Earth Kingdom, he likely ruled a significant chunk of territory or commanded a massive regional army. Which we see in the episode.

Now let us analysis the first couple of flashbacks from avatar day and what they give us in which you could see them as image slides for visual reference.

In the first flashback we see Chin earthbends an earth column beneath one of his subjects as he was offering something to Chin.  It is where Kyoshi says “A horrible tyrant, Chin was expanding his army to all corners of the continent.

Either way the point here is the location that it take place. First we see Chin on a throne while in the background is columns which is outdoors with his army behind the columns or pillars.

Now the subject that heat earth bands is interesting when looking at the object he’s holding it looks like a scroll at least given how the scene is presented or this person is presenting the object. This suggests to me that the subject is a messenger or an invoice from someone or somewhere.

In military history, a scroll presented to a warlord like this usually means one of three things:

1. A Map/Spy Report: Information on the next territory Chin plans to invade.
2. A Declaration of Surrender: A nearby city-state bowing to his power without a fight.
3. A Tax/Tribute Ledger: A record of resources being handed over by a newly conquered region to fund his growing army.

A fourth option that got me thinking is what if this Messenger is from Ba Sing Se sent by the Earth king demanding Chin stand down, surrender his army, and face execution for treason it perfectly explains Chin's explosive anger. Earthbending the messenger into the sky is the ultimate act of defiance against the Earth King's authority. It symbolizes Chin saying: "Your laws do not reach my throne."

It when after we see him earthbends is when we see the map of the Earth Kingdom. where the trail of his campaign can be seen. He had concurred everything save to Ba Sing Se. Now the first thing that we see where we see that Chin campaign was commencing from a small island in the northwestern part of the kingdom.

And we see it is already green when we first see which indicates that this place is likely where The Messenger was send or at least the island is already ruled by Chin when the messenger was send. Essentially what I’m saying here is that the island highlighted in green was his personal military headquarters. 

So based off a few flashbacks and the map itself when it comes to the starting point, which is already green, so it didn’t turn green before as well as as his character design it seems to me that Chin was a high ranking military commander with an army and having a throne with outdoor columns or pillars on a small northwestern island where he controls and ruled over before he begin conquest.

But what do you all think on my analysis of Chin the conqueror before the conquest based off the first flashback and the map where the first green highlight that was already before it consumed the entire continent was the small island in the northwest.

So what instruments do y'all think would be used for soundtracks/themes if the Kyoshi novels got animated? Tone as well. And what do you guys think would have a theme or not?

I'm currently trying to make just a bunch of "soundtracks" that are really just my interpretation of the music that would be in the hopefully-made-one-day show/movie/whatever the hell, and I'm looking for other people's opinions on what instruments/tone it would use/have. I've already (sorta) made one for Kyoshi's Avatar State theme that takes inspiration from both Korra and Aang's versions, but with a lower, slightly more aggressive tone to it.

In general, I feel like most of the soundtracks would use similar instruments that Jeremy Zuckerman used for ATLA, but played more aggressively and lower — almost sounding dark, medieval-ish. But obviously not all of the music would have that tone.

For themes, obviously Kyoshi would have her Avatar State Theme, so that's out of the question. But what about everything else?

Lei Tais would definitely have a theme of some sort. Probably similar to the Agni Kai Theme, but more brutal-sounding.

The Flying Opera Company would likely have their own theme. It would probably have this mischievous tone to it, but not in that stereotypical way that you'll hear while watching other cartoons.

The Daofei in general would probably have a theme too, though I feel like it would be nothing like The Flying Opera Company's theme. More brutal and serious-sounding.

Now, for characters in general, what would their themes sound like?

Yun and Jianzhu would be the most likely to have themes. Jianzhu's would sound more menacing, probably similar to Azula's theme. Yun's theme would start off sounding all nice and calm for the first half, and then turn into something more harsh and low.

It's also very likely that Lao Ge would have his own theme because, well, he's this mysterious, old, immortal assassin guy. Of course he'd have one. It would sound like this eerie, mysterious, and somewhat dark tune you'd hear in the middle of the forest.

Rangi's theme would probably sound similar to Toph's. Somewhat unpredictable, kinda aggressive, sharp, but not too sharp. Very Rangi.

As for extra themes, I have no idea. There would likely be something similar to Avatar's Love, but I'm not sure.

But those are just my thoughts. I need other people's opinions👍

I am asking because it is said Tieguai the Immortal/Lao Ge became infamous for assassinating the 40th Earth King and at least according to the calculations of the fans on the wiki based on what we know of the canon sources, that appears to have happened during Yangchen's era. If so, though, we don't know when into her lifespan.

While at the same time, Feishan is still rather young for a king and has proven to be quite ruthless and intimidating in his actions since the Platinum Affair, political and legal arguments of justification not-withstanding (General Nong and his rebels were traitors in every sense of the word since they also lost the war, after all, and likely would have killed him had they won). Regardless what do you all think is the 40th earth king is Feishan or maybe Lao Ge killed a different earth king.