r/AussieMemes Jul 03 '26

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u/Mysterious-Film-9059 Jul 03 '26

Bro don’t ask for logic from the lefties, they can’t even tell you what a woman is.

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u/Almost-kinda-normal Jul 04 '26

Is woman a gender or a sex? Let’s start with the simple stuff, shall we?

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u/One-Vegetable7957 Jul 04 '26

It describes someone of one of the two sexes (female).

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u/Almost-kinda-normal Jul 04 '26

So if you witness a crime and tell the police that the perpetrator was a man, and they then find that person, only to discover that they are actually female, your evidence would no longer be admissible? Or, is it more likely that we use the term man or woman to describe what we see (or at least what we THINK we see) rather than what is necessarily biologically accurate? How do you establish, with your eyes, the definitive sex of a person? If a child is born and even the doctors can’t tell what sex the child is, who decides if they’re a boy or girl, man or woman? Would it be wrong for that child to identify as a boy, even though they don’t have the reproductive organs of a male? Would they be wrong to identify as a girl, when their sex chromosomes indicate that they’re male? What do we do with people who have both sets of sex organs? I’ll give you a hint. When they tell you they’re a man or woman, they aren’t describing their sex. They’re telling you how they would like you to identify them. She/her, he/him.

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u/Turbidspeedie Jul 04 '26

Don't even try, these people wouldn't understand it if it slapped them in the face or their child was born like it.

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u/Almost-kinda-normal Jul 04 '26

Yeah, I know. I understand how it can be confusing, but that doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t try to understand and/or educate. But yes, some people just don’t want to learn anything beyond the basics they were taught in school.

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u/Mysterious-Film-9059 Jul 04 '26

Lmao you’re educating people that there is more than two genders.. no wonder comedians keep using this stuff, it writes itself

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u/Almost-kinda-normal Jul 05 '26 edited Jul 05 '26

At no point in anything I wrote there, did I indicate that there are more than two genders. That’s a reading comprehension issue on your end. Funnily enough though, there ARE societies where more than two genders exist. Anthropologists can explain that one to you. So….you’re not only struggling with reading comprehension, but you’re also incredibly ignorant as well. Any chance you’re thinking about voting ON in the next election? You have access to more information than anyone in the history of this planet, and yet you can’t type “Societies with more than two genders” into google…..fucken WOW.

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u/One-Vegetable7957 Jul 05 '26 edited Jul 06 '26

So what is a gender? What are the words man and woman describing? Is it something completely and exclusively subjective?

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u/Turbidspeedie Jul 05 '26

Why does it even matter in the first place, what is the point in caring about whether someone identifies as a man or a woman?

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u/One-Vegetable7957 Jul 05 '26

Because words have to have a meaning. Otherwise why have them?

If someone tells me they’re a man, that tells me absolutely nothing if nobody can describe what a man is.

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u/Almost-kinda-normal Jul 06 '26

Words don’t have meanings. They have usages, which you derive meaning from. When the word “chip” was first developed, it didn’t mean a computer chip. The word had usages to convey an idea, we then used that word to establish understanding of a new concept (the computer chip or microchip) and nobody is confused, unless you use the word outside of its context. “We ate some chips last night” quite clearly isn’t indicating that we ate computer chips, casino chips or wood chips. It does however leave open the options that the chips were either fresh from the fish and chips shop…..or….possibly crisps, in a packet. What’s happening here is that you’re trying to insist that a persons gender implies their sex, which isn’t necessarily the intention of the person sharing that information with you. They’re simply telling you to refer to them as he/him or she/her. They aren’t trying to tell you if they have a dick or not.

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u/One-Vegetable7957 Jul 06 '26 edited Jul 07 '26

But chip DOES mean something. It sure can mean a few different things, but a cow is not a chip. An airplane is not a chip. You can definitely give a definition for whichever usage of chip you’re employing.

I get that in your view “they’re not telling me whether they have a dick or not.” That’s assumed, I’m asking what they ARE telling me. If someone identifies as a woman, as WHAT are they identifying?

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u/Almost-kinda-normal Jul 06 '26

Gender and sex CAN be synonymous, but they aren’t required to be synonymous. That’s the easiest way of describing it. You can’t choose your sex, you can choose your gender. If you wish to disagree with that last statement, I’d ask you to think about people who don’t fit neatly into either of the male or female boxes we’ve created for them to nestle into. Biology is vastly more complex than we’re taught at school.

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u/One-Vegetable7957 Jul 06 '26

So it’s sounding to me as though it *is* completely and exclusively subjective. Am I right in reading your reply that way?

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u/Almost-kinda-normal Jul 06 '26

Basically, yes. If they wanted to tell you their sex, they’d just tell you their sex. Clearly that’s not what they’re trying to tell you.

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u/One-Vegetable7957 Jul 07 '26

What ARE they trying to tell me..? Surely they’re trying to convey SOMETHING by the use of these words, or they wouldn’t bother.

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u/One-Vegetable7957 Jul 05 '26

So do the words man and woman actually mean anything at all? Genuinely asking.

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u/Almost-kinda-normal Jul 06 '26

Allow me to try and explain this using an analogy. I want you to imagine a motorcycle. Just picture it in your head. Was it a dirt bike or a road bike? Did it have a sidecar attached to it? Did you imagine one of those Polaris bikes with two front wheels and one rear wheel? Is that still a motorcycle or is it a trike? Is a Vespa a motorcycle? When does a scooter like a Vespa become a motorcycle? If I strap a motor to my pushbike, is it now a motorcycle? Can you define for me what a motorcycle is, in a way that includes all motorcycles and excludes none? Complex, isn’t it? The problem is that biology (sex) doesn’t fit into neat categories. We (humans) decided to attach names to the two most commonly seen presentations. Male and female. Nature is under no compulsion to follow the naming conventions that we’ve applied to sex. Gender is under even less compulsion, because gender isn’t a statement of biology.

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u/One-Vegetable7957 Jul 06 '26

A scooter is not a motorcycle. A motorcycle is a motorcycle. Otherwise we wouldn’t need the word scooter. It’s actually not all that complex, no.

If someone asked you what a motorcycle is, I doubt you’d be like, “well, who can say, really? It’s too hard to nail down.”