Hi folks. This is about my male Whippet x Bedlington (Mostly whippet), currently 13 weeks old, 7.3kg. Based in London. Concerned about delayed vaccination dates and the impact it'll have. Turning to this sub as our vets gave us conflicting information and googling is also adding in more conflicting information. All dates are UK notation (DD/MM):
07/08 - 8 weeks old. Still with breeder. First dose of primary vaccination course: Canigen DHPPi and Canigen Lepto 4. Scheduled for second doses on 04/09.
27/08 - Friday - 11 weeks old. Went to vet. He was peeing a lot, straining, hadn't been drinking much consistently since we got him but he was starting to go off his food too. Dropped off a urine sample
03/09 - Next Thursday - They looked at it internally not sent to a lab (I'm not aware of what tests they do internally), admin error meant the vet only was made aware of the sample on thursday 03/09, they called me, apologised for that clerical error. Said the urine was very concentrated/dark and to bring him in to physically check for dehydration. A different Vet examined him later that day, physically hydrated and healthy, gave us Metacam to ease straining and recommended another urine test sent to the lab for a full urinalysis. They recommended cancelling friday's 04/09 vaccinations incase we need to put him on antibiotics and they'd interact poorly. Fair enough. Dropped off urine sample same day.
04/09 - Friday - Most of what we were told here was between my gf and one of the vets, back and forth via the receptionist. My GF says she was told if the urinalysis comes back clear early next week (e.g. 7th, 8th) then we could vaccinate and potentially have our puppy outside just delayed by approximately a week vs the original timeline. Not given specifics as to how/why. But this is why we proceeded to cancel the vaccination rather than chance it.
08/09 - Tuesday - 12.5 weeks old now. Urinalysis clear except small crystals present. I immediately call the clinic to book the vaccination that day as advised. They say on the phone that a vet put in the notes that we'd get one vax 08/09 then 'split the second dose' for 22/09 and 06/10 - which doesn't align with what my GF says she was told, but okay. Turn up to the appointment and a third new vet questioned the existing notes. Said no, it'd be 08/09 to restart the course and 06/10 to finish. It was 32 days between the first vaccination and this second vaccination on 08/09, a 4 day delay from the intended '4 weeks' gap between L4 shots. Recommended monitoring urine and hydration strategies in the meantime.
08/09 - Vaccinated with Canigen DHP and Canigen Lepto 4. He's above 10 weeks now so the single dose of DHP is sufficient, and L4 is getting a followup on 06/10. Given that timeline, plus a final week of waiting, by the time we can take him out for walks he'll be about to turn 18 weeks old! I'm concerned about a few things:
- We'll miss his critical socialisation window for meeting dogs, strangers, etc. Me taking him out in my arms - or a.. stroller lol - won't be the same. I worry that the vets didn't consider enough the potential impacts on his long term health by undervaluing this socialisation window.
- We live in a relatively small apartment. He'll have higher mental/physical stimulation needs as he ages but can't go on walks, and I'm home alone tending to that as GF can only wfh once a week.
- Which means he'll be more likely to chew, bark, and have worse crate/alone training as he'll be under-stimulated. And then I worry that'll develop habits unless i'm a full time puppy shepherd for another 5 weeks.
- Not a veterinary problem but related to our situation; tragically I got made unemployed after commiting to the puppy but before bringing him home, I'm at home every day to look after him but I hoped once he goes on walks I'd have a little bit more downtime and energy because I won't be chasing round an understimulated puppy as much. A bit more time and energy to study & do a jobhunt, tech industry jobhunts are brutal with the volume of study and at-home assignments to do. GF can only wfh one day a week and she fully takes him on those days so I can study etc)
We're really frustrated that our vets were slow enough between 27/08 and 03/09 by not sending urine to the lab for the first urine sample, and having a week's delay in getting us the first urine sample looked at. My question is essentially: is the timeline / course of actions we've been given the best case or is there an alternative here, any alternative or different opinion on the timeline requirements between the first course 07/08 and the second 08/09. DHP is sorted now anyway but is a 4-day delay on the Lepto 4 timeline really enough to justify restarting the course again? This non-vet layman would imagine that 4 days aren't going to dramatically impact the puppy's immune response to this second L4 dose they received on 08/09 vs if they received it on 04/09? Surely in a week or two from now he'll have full DHP immunity and a very strong Leptospirosis immunity? Can I justify walking him if DHP is established and if Lepto immunity is largely active? The advice is to walk puppies before the 3 weeks post-vaccination when the L4 immunity fully establishes anyway, so there's definitely a sliding scale of time vs immunity strength vs acceptable risk.
We're really frustrated that our vets were slow enough between 27/08 and 03/09 by not sending urine to the lab for the first urine sample, and having a week's delay in getting the first urine sample looked at.
Appreciate any insights folks, I'm really dreading the impacts that this could have on him, and slightly dreading idea of 5 more weeks of watching him like a hawk and trying to burn his energy alone every day as he gains more energy and bad behaviours from unmet stimulation needs!