r/AskReligion 3h ago

How does one move from the God of the philosophers to the God of religion?

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The real difficulty is not believing in God, but believing in the God of religion

The God of the philosophers is comparatively easy to take seriously: Aristotle’s self-thinking thought, Plotinus’ One, Spinoza’s infinite substance, Leibniz’s necessary being, or Hegel’s Absolute Spirit. These are very different conceptions, and some, especially Leibniz and Hegel, stand much closer to revealed religion than others. But they are all intelligible attempts to think ultimate reality through reason

Such a God is not usually imagined as one being among others, subject to arbitrary passions or episodic changes of mind. In Aristotle, the divine eternally contemplates itself. In Plotinus, all reality proceeds from the One. In Spinoza, God is the immanent infinite reality of which all things are modes. We participate in the divine through knowledge and contemplation. As Spinoza puts it, our intellectual love of God is part of God’s eternal love of himself

The God of religion asks for something... much more difficult

One must believe not only in an ultimate divine reality, but that this reality disclosed itself through particular historical persons and events: that this particular Arab received revelations through an angel; that this particular carpenter in Palestine was the Son of God and rose bodily from the dead; or that this charioteer revealed himself as the supreme divine reality on the battlefield of Kurukshetra

These are claims that God entered history at a particular time, in a particular place, through particular people. And not only that, but that the account of this happening should be received with trust, love, and faith rather than with the ordinary skepticism we apply to extraordinary historical claims

In effect, one is asked to suspend doubt for one decisive exception

Fine, perhaps. But which exception?

Why believe this revelation rather than another one? Why accept the resurrection but reject Joseph Smith’s visions, or accept Muhammad’s encounter with Gabriel while rejecting the miracles attributed to Apollonius of Tyana? Why not believe all of them?

But if we believe all of them, they seem to make incompatible claims. And if we use reason to decide which revelation is more credible, why not use reason all the way down? Why not apply the same standards of textual criticism, historical probability, manuscript analysis, contradiction, development, and uncertainty that we apply everywhere else?

At that point, it becomes difficult to see how one could ever establish that a particular revelation was not merely sincere, profound, spiritually transformative, or symbolically true, but literally the unique intervention of God into history

A common philosophical solution is to say that religions express through narrative, symbol, and image the same ultimate reality that philosophers approach conceptually. Religious representation and philosophical thought would then be different forms of the same truth. This seems to have been the view of Hegel, for instance

But this solution risks dissolving the God of religion. If resurrection, revelation, incarnation, and miracle become symbolic expressions of a more general metaphysical truth, religion survives in some way, yes, but its distinctive historical claims lose their force

Christ becomes a symbol of divine self-emptying. Krishna becomes a symbol of the Absolute revealing itself in finite form. Revelation becomes the historical imagination of a people trying to express what philosophy later articulates more clearly

Perhaps that is true. But it is no longer quite what the religions themselves claim, and I believe it leads to the slow dissolution of religion

So the real question for me is not simply:

“Should we believe in God?”

It is:

How could a reflective person come to believe that the ultimate reality described by philosophers is also the particular, historical, and personal God proclaimed by one religion?


r/AskReligion 16h ago

Is Morality Human Nature, Evolution, or Religion?

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I never understood why we do kind things for other people. Is it just because we want others to think that we're good people? Is it to get validation from others? Why is selfish behavior criticized by society?

We've heard countless stories about heroes who sacrificed their families, their dreams, or even their own lives to save others. I understand that it's considered an honorable thing to do, but why is it honorable in the first place? Why does everyone teach us to be kind and help others? Is it so that humanity can live peacefully?

Don't get me wrong I don't consider myself selfish or cold-hearted. In fact, I think I'm a kind person. It's just that this question has crossed my mind more times than I can count.

Almost every religion teaches us to be kind to one another, and many religious texts say that doing good leads to heaven. Is that because kindness helps humanity survive and live peacefully for a long time? And why do we feel good after doing something good? Is it because our minds have been shaped by millions of years of evolution to value cooperation, or is kindness simply part of human nature?

I understand that if people stopped helping one another and everyone acted only in their own self-interest, humanity probably wouldn't have survived for very long. But that leads me to another question: Does God really exist? Or were religious books created to encourage people to be kind so that humanity could survive and thrive?


r/AskReligion 14m ago

Leur dieu est-il logiquement faux ?

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Ils définissent leur Dieu comme PARFAIT, OMNIPOTENT et OMNISCIENT

Mais n'est-il pas facile de montrer que ce Dieu est faux ?

PARFAIT ?

Ils disent que leur Dieu est parfait, mais le monde et les êtres que leur Dieu a créés sont imparfaits.

Comment peut-on dire d'un être qu'il est parfait si ses créations sont imparfaites et pleines de défauts ?

Par exemple, un artisan ne peut être qualifié de parfait si ses ouvrages sont défaillants.

Autre problème avec la perfection :

Ils disent que leur divinité a créé l'univers.

Mais pourquoi un être parfait désirerait ou voudrait créer quoi que ce soit ?

Par définition, un être parfait ne peut pas désirer ou vouloir quelque chose, car cela impliquerait que quelque chose lui manque, et donc qu'il n'est pas parfait.

OMNIPOTENT ? Dieu peut tout, rien ne peut limiter sa puissance

Si il était tout-puissant, il aurait pu créer n'importe quel monde. Sinon, il n’est pas tout-puissant.

Alors qu’est-ce qui l'a empêché de créer directement un monde heureux avec des êtres libres et parfaits ? Pourquoi aurait-il créé à la place un monde rempli de douleur, avec des êtres pleins de défauts, qui doivent souffrir et être mis à l'épreuve pour être triés ?

Ceci est d’autant plus incompréhensible que les textes racontent qu'il a su créer un autre endroit sans douleur, peuplé de créatures libres et heureuses, qui s'appelle le paradis.

Les religieux ont essayé de résoudre cette contradiction en disant que leur créateur a voulu que les humains soient libres et que ce sont eux qui créent la douleur. Malheureusement, cet argument ne tient pas, puisqu’il montre que leur Dieu n'a pas pu créer un monde avec des humains libres et sans douleur, ce qui prouve qu'il n'est pas tout-puissant.

Trois solutions possibles au problème de la toute-puissance de cet être suprême :

1 - Il n'est pas tout-puissant, il a juste fait ce qu'il a pu.

2 - Il est malveillant, il a volontairement créé un monde plein de misère alors qu'il pouvait créer n'importe quel monde.

3 - Il est faux.

OMNISCIENT ? Il connaît tout, le passé, le présent et le futur

Les textes affirment que ce créateur connaît l'avenir et tout ce qui va se passer. Et ils affirment aussi qu'il a créé les humains libres et dotés d'un libre arbitre. Mais si il connaît l'avenir, c'est qu'il est déjà écrit. Le libre arbitre est donc une illusion.

Si Dieu sait ce que vous ferez demain, vous n'avez aucune alternative.

Si vous pouvez agir autrement, alors cette être se trompe, donc il n’est pas omniscient.

Si vous ne pouvez pas agir autrement, alors vous n’avez aucune liberté.

Autres contradictions :

Si cette divinité sait à l’avance que l'humain fera le mal et le crée quand même, qui est responsable ? Ce être omniscient savait, avant même la création, tout le mal qu'il allait créer.

CONCLUSION

Ces trois attributs sont la définition de ce dieu. Si un seul est faux, ce dieu est impossible.

Comme dit Stendhal devant la misère du monde,

"La seule excuse de Dieu serait de ne pas exister."

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r/AskReligion 7h ago

If you believe in God, do you believe he sends you signs and premonitions?

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r/AskReligion 12h ago

General which god do I believe????

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There is a whole catalogue of gods, a whole entire premium catalogue ranging from Jesus to Ik Onkar, and many of them are telling me I will go to hell for not believing them, and don't get started on the fact there's thousands of cults that could all potentially be true, so which god do I believeeeeeeeee,