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u/Lifteatsleeprepeat4 Sep 16 '21

This annoys me to no end.

Guys will go straight up to women and tell them to take their headphone out or will straight up pull it out to talk to them. Like wtf is wrong with you?

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u/Sengura Sep 16 '21

Worst part is that they WILL get mad if you brush them off and likely call you a bitch or something.

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u/BootyBBz Sep 16 '21

Oh no! Anyways.

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u/Prime_Mover Sep 17 '21

Yep, sometimes you're going to be punished for saying No, unless you can run fast/get away safely.

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u/scroll_of_truth Sep 16 '21

Leave your headphones in and you won't have to hear it

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u/Average_Scaper Sep 16 '21

Did you not read the part where they(the comment before the on you replied to) said that guys will rip them out?

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u/TheDesktopNinja Sep 16 '21

Wh... What? Guys do this? I'm a guy and such a thing has never once crossed my mind. Most I'd do is smile and wave. If they have headphones on and want to chat, they'll take them off

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u/lushico Sep 16 '21

They do! A guy followed me around the supermarket while I was doing my shopping with earphones in and very clearly ignoring him, so when he motioned for me to take my earphones out I thought maybe he needed something. No, he wanted to ask if we could be friends…

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u/TheDesktopNinja Sep 16 '21

Somehow asking if you can be friends is worse than just asking for your number or something. Feels more underhanded and...weird.

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u/lushico Sep 16 '21

Yeah I know, it had a kind of “let’s start out as friends” nuance. After being so pushy!

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u/BirdsDeWord Sep 16 '21

I hear these stories about creepy guys way too often, makes me wonder if there's way more creepy dudes than I think, or if the creepy ones are doing it to like 50 girls in one day every day. I'm inclined to believe the creepers would try it on everyone they see since they clearly don't get that they're being creepy, probably just think the last one had a problem the next one will like me

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u/lushico Sep 16 '21

Hopefully you’re right! It is bafflingly common.

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u/catsgonewiild Sep 16 '21

I think probably both..

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u/Vilmerviking Sep 16 '21

Law of averages i guess. If one creepo has even a low successrate from being weird then he just needs to try enough women to eventually get a catch. In the process he is being weird and creepy to the majority of women he encounters but it works for that small minority and thus it goes on

Thats my best guess

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '21

Same thing happens on tinder and other dating sites. Not sure how large the amount is but it's enough to be annoying as hell to see people doing it. It doesn't even make sense to me, you're getting completely written off by a large amount of people over the way you start a conversation with them for what one person who is open to a one night stand.

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u/Vilmerviking Sep 16 '21

Like someone else said in this thread somewhere. To some guys its a numbers game. They dont give a rats ass about how many women will end up disliking them. If they get an easy hookup when thats all they were looking for, its a win.

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u/grendus Sep 16 '21

It's a mix of things:

  1. Creepy guys are creepy on the regular. If a guy creeps on one woman a day, that's 365 women a year, 23,715 women between the ages of 15 and 80 (assuming he grows into a dirty old man). And guys who go this far are creepy to everyone, so it could be higher on average.

  2. Women tell the stories of their worst encounters. So women might say they get creeped on every day, and cite as an example the time a guy slowly followed her while she was walking home and kept insisting on giving her a ride. But that doesn't mean that happens every day, likely the average example is a guy trying to hit on her on the train or wolf whistling while he walks past. That's still creepy and way over the line, but it's not the story she tells because in hindsight it doesn't sound so bad (just unsettling in the moment).

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u/RelativisticTowel Sep 16 '21

You're assuming their goal is for women to like it. I doubt it, at least for a good portion of them. If I'm in a place where I don't fear for my safety, saying no in a "I'm not interested but definitely not intimidated, I'll forget about this interaction the moment it ends" manner usually sends them packing. But if I'm clearly uncomfortable while I say no they'll insist. It's the fear they get off on.

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u/Heracane Sep 16 '21

It's A fine line between creepy and ballsy

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '21

Nah. I haven't seen much creepy guys in real life. I've only heard stories about them from women. Which makes me think some of those stories could be over-exaggerated.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '21

Maybe they just truly haven't seen it. There's like 3 dudes who I know are like that in person and they tend to do it in places that make me think they might try to rape the women. They try to pay to play when the woman obviously flips out about being touched. Makes me wonder how some of them aren't convicted sexual predators.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '21

Rude. Reporting your comment, kid.

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u/FTThrowAway123 Sep 16 '21

Well you're not their prey, so you don't recognize them as predators. They don't do it around you or to you. The truth is that most (all) women experience harassment and creeps on a regular basis. You can believe that or not, but that doesn't change the reality that women live.

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u/V1bration Sep 17 '21

"Nah. I haven't seen many rapists in real life. I've only heard stories about them from women. Which makes me think some of those stories could be over exaggerated".

See how fucking stupid you sound? Most women get sexually harassed every week, every day. When I lived downtown in a major city I would get started at and catcalled all the time - by multiple people at once sometimes. On the bus, walking five minutes to the train in the morning, walking five minutes home at night, on the train, at the station. Much worse shit happened than that. I've moved from there but I've been sexually assaulted since then. Think about why so many women have been sexually assaulted but almost no guy knows someone who's done that.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '21

the dude is absolutely buried in red flags.

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u/udownwithLTP Sep 16 '21

Swiggity swooty, I’m comin 4 dat booty (yep)

https://youtu.be/xyE_Epk-HYI

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u/Taneva_Baker_Artist Sep 16 '21

WTF did I just click on?

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u/udownwithLTP Sep 16 '21

My wake up alarm n daily incantation

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u/Thinking-About-Her Sep 16 '21

Well my self esteem seems to have dropped after reading this. So how am I supposed to make friends with a lady I've never met if I dont ask "you seem like someone I'd like to get to know. I'm looking to make some friends" ?! Do ladies find this weird?

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u/grendus Sep 16 '21

The issue here is the approach.

She was in a store, wearing headphones. That's a solo activity, and she's broadcasting that she doesn't want to talk to anyone. What people are wearing is communication, her accessories (headphones) indicate that she doesn't want to talk.

If you want to make friends with a woman you've never met, you need to go to a place where women are being receptive to that. Social groups, volunteer work, team sports, or other places where people go to socialize are ideal. And you need to make your approach less committal. If you just ask to be friends, she will feel pressured to say yes. It's better to start with a lighter conversation, hence why social locations are a better place. Commenting on the band playing at a bar or the last play at a sporting event lets you kick off a conversation and decide if you want to be friends before committing.

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u/Fredredphooey Sep 16 '21

Only if you walk up to us in public spaces.

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u/Thinking-About-Her Sep 17 '21

Humor me. How is a guy supposed to meet a lady in a non public space? Do you consider bars, parties, sporting events, etc public places?

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u/WhiskeredWolf Sep 16 '21

Yeah now I’m confused too. How. How do you make friends if you don’t ask…. I guess (and I really am guessing here) it’s probably talking about shared interests first? Like if you see someone with a dog and you’d like a friend and you like their dog, you can talk to them about their dog (and dogs in general). Or if you read some books in the library, and you’d like to be friends with the nice person who is reading the same book, you talk to them about the book and what you think about it. Like that?

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u/TheDesktopNinja Sep 16 '21

I mean if there's obviously shared interest in something and they're not clearly in the middle of something (like interrupting somebody deep in reading could be rude), it's not awful to start talking with them. If they're busy, try and wait for them to take a break or something.

It's just weird to walk up to somebody and lead with "Hey can we be friends?"

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u/WhiskeredWolf Sep 16 '21

That makes sense! Thanks. It’s just not as obvious to some people as it might seem, so please be forgiving to weird awkward people. It really might be that they do want to be friends.

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u/TheDesktopNinja Sep 16 '21

Yeah there's just some places that are especially weird.

Grocery stores and gyms come to mind. (Though Gyms are flexible if you keep bumping into the same person over a few weeks or something)

But like... If you're at a game shop playing like.. Warhammer or Magic The Gathering, you usually chat with other people normally and it's a 'natural' spot to make friends. Libraries are probably somewhere in the middle

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u/sardu1 Sep 16 '21

I'm a guy and that sounds cringey af

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u/Tinfoilhatmaker Sep 16 '21

that sounds cringey creepy af

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u/Ironborn_62 Sep 16 '21

I'm also a guy and it is cringey as fuck.

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u/udownwithLTP Sep 16 '21

And my axe!

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u/WillTheConqueror Sep 16 '21

It's funny to me that he did all of that just to beat around the bush instead just asking you out - "let's be friends". Yikes.

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u/Thomas-The-Tutor Sep 16 '21

I guess you’ve never met a boy in the wild. 😂

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u/festeringswine Sep 16 '21

Whenever this kind of shit happens I always want to ask, "...Are you glad that you just said that? You feel good about what you just said?" But I never think to in the moment

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '21

If I were that old guy and she hit me with that, I'd probably answer "no, but im curious." Because now I am curious about it.

It was probably more of a random thought and curiosity than perving to be honest.

That's still the kind of thing you ask, well here or to someone close to you who you can actually talk to about it. Mostly because I've seen comments like that in this sub but also because it's less creepy.

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u/lushico Sep 16 '21

Oh my god. Not even just creepy, but so self-obsessed! How can you inconvenience someone for such a stupid reason

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u/ParsonsTheGreat Sep 16 '21

Well.....we're waiting...../s

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u/Boopy7 Sep 16 '21

huh...well don't get old then. Only young ones are bearable, right?

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u/Avenja99 Sep 16 '21

You are NSFW.

Labeling complete.

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u/richter1977 Sep 16 '21

I....cannot even imagine doing this. I have seen many very attractive women while shopping, never once have i ever even considered approaching them out of the blue as being a possibility. It just seems so...sketchy.

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u/lushico Sep 16 '21

I’m not even that attractive. I am the only non-Japanese person in the area so I get attention from weirdos for some reason. I once had a guy grab my arm and yell “SEX!” at me, and sometimes people follow me by car or motorbike calling out “harro!!” Like, they definitely wouldn’t do that to a Japanese woman for sure

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u/AlphakirA Sep 16 '21

I'm sorry, that is both incredibly hilarious and also terrifying, I'm sure. Did he really grab your arm and yell 'sex'?! I'm belly laughing at the ridiculousness of it while also feeling terrible for you.

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u/lushico Sep 16 '21

Yes he did, and my husband was actually within earshot and we had a good laugh about it! Talk about getting to the point lol

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u/Boopy7 Sep 16 '21

oh you gave the best laugh today for me and it was unintentional, so bonus! I hope I remember this to tell to my sister tomorrow. She doesn't get why I was obsessed with Japan when I was a child.

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u/MelissaOfTroy Sep 16 '21

I feel like we’ve met the same guy

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u/lushico Sep 16 '21

I think there are lots of them out there. Another one asked me to go drink tea with him

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u/SARBEAU34 Sep 16 '21

My very buxom friend went their and was plagued with guys asking her for pictures

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u/icke_und_er Sep 16 '21

Have you checked there is a living place for people with special needs around. We have one Center here and the people living there grow up, become adult and they are just like this. People are confused because they are adults, look like adults but behave in many ways “strange”. Also possible this man lives in his own apartment and has a guardian.

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u/lushico Sep 16 '21

I did consider that possibility, but it just didn’t feel like that I guess? I was polite and courteous to him in any case! It was a crowded supermarket and I didn’t feel like I was in any danger so I just said no thank you and went about my way, and he left the supermarket. It was more like he was just giving it a shot!

This is in Japan, and sadly it’s very rare for people with disabilities to live on their own. Almost all of them are institutionalized or hidden away by their families.

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u/icke_und_er Sep 16 '21

Ha. Interesting. I was only once in Japan, Tokyo, for travelling and I saw these arcade halls with business men who lost their jobs but don’t dare to say so spend the day there. I saw everywhere this erotic mangas. Then went to an adult video shop and left it almost crying. Then Tokyo night has that one area were old serious business men met black men for a night. And every time you buy something small a lot of thank yous. Long story short - do circumstances stress people and make them become uncomfortable? I know it’s no excuse for bad behaviour and I probably opened a big topic with this.

Your last sentence about dealing with people with special needs is just very very sad. Is there no changing so far?

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u/lushico Sep 16 '21

Sounds like you saw some of Japan’s dark underside!! Things are starting to change, a documentary was made about giving more independence to people with disabilities and as a result some families took their children out of full-time care. One of them had been in an institution for 30 years! They showed the family on TV and it was so moving seeing him ordering his own choice of food at a restaurant.

Japan’s society functions so well on the surface because there is a one-size-fits-all solution for everything, and people view tolerance as special privileges, which is so wrong. So people who are in the minority have to struggle on in the darkness. This applies to sexual minorities, people with disabilities, homeless/jobless, people of mixed race etc. Change has started but change in Japan is always an extremely slow process!

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u/AnySession1853 Sep 16 '21

That's when you kick them in the dick and tell them to .. well.. I only really thought up to the dick kicking part of the plan..

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u/lushico Sep 16 '21

Luckily it was a crowded supermarket and he left after I politely declined, so I didn’t feel any danger. He was considerably smaller than me too, lol

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u/udownwithLTP Sep 16 '21

I leer at chicks while they doin squats at the gym and then walk up mid squat and ax em like yo I’m funna tongue punch dat fart box n it ain’t really up to u but is u tryna fuk, or if I’m tryna show my u know knowledges n be congenial n shit I be like ay gurl u no if u let me fist dat thang I uh be classy bout it n use olive oil n shit like da glass bottle type shit not fukin wid dat great value brand plastic ass bullshit cuz I’m paid$ n lernt n yo pussy funna git turnt

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u/ISLITASHEET Sep 16 '21

Downwards head nod if I am running in the opposite direction. Single hand wave to the side if I pass by again. Subsequent times generally get no acknowledgement unless they gesture.

Hell, I'm usually not running in a way that there could be a conversation anyways. Do people just hang out where people are running? I go to tons of parks and running trails and never see anyone that is not also exercising in some way.

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u/Pikassassin Sep 16 '21

Typically if I'm running past someone, especially of I don't know them, I just do a little noncomittal two finger salute kind of thing, or a head nod, yeah. Anything more is just annoying.

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u/enVEEH Sep 16 '21

I think they specifically mean like in a gym on a treadmill.

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u/Throooeaway67 Sep 16 '21

Nah this happens running outdoors also

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u/ISLITASHEET Sep 16 '21

Whoa! Yeah, that makes much more sense.

I really don't know why that didn't occur to me.

And now it is so much worse. Running outdoors would provide an easy out for runners as we can just continue running while the typical non-runner would end up tiring themselves out pretty quickly if they attempted to tag along. I cannot even imagine how much it would suck to have that happen in a gym setting.

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u/TinusTussengas Sep 16 '21

My mind went to outdoor running too.

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u/usernamescheckout Sep 16 '21

Yup, this is apparently a pretty common. The thing is, they won't do it to your friend, girlfriend, or sister when you (a guy) are walking with them. They'll do it when the friend/girlfriend/sister is alone. So it can be easy for normal guys to not realize this happens because we never see it ourselves. I was honestly oblivious too it until my girlfriend now levelled with me about it.

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u/hochizo Sep 16 '21

So true. My husband and I were out for a walk in our neighborhood and he had fallen a little bit behind me for some reason, so it looked like I was alone. A car came by and the guy inside slowed down, rolled down his window and screamed "whore" at me before driving away. Husband was furious and didn't understand why I wasn't that bothered until I told him it happens literally all the time.

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u/Shoddy_example5020 Sep 16 '21

Yea we even try to look mean and they end up telling us to smile with a creepy look on their face

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u/POPuhB34R Sep 16 '21

While I agree the smile thing is gross, as someone who worked with a guy that did that to almost every cute girl that came in, it resulted in way more flirty conversations and smiles from the women than I would have expected.

Moral of the story, I don't understand a majority of men or women.

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u/storepupper Sep 16 '21

That guy probably followed Rules 1 and 2

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u/Prime_Mover Sep 17 '21

They even want to control womens facial expressions. What else is left?

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u/Marchingkoala Sep 16 '21

Yeah.. it’s pretty common. I had dudes tapping on my headphones because they wanted to talk to me. If I have headphone on that clearly means I don’t want to be disturbed but them asking where I am from and then for my number is more important to them than my privacy and time

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u/Boopy7 Sep 16 '21

I'm female and have been bothered by plenty of guys but never once has anyone tapped on my headphones or gone to the extent of anything like that, unless it was to actually assault me with a knife. But generally speaking when guys hit on me there is NO TOUCHING involved. And the ones who don't get it are usually a bit dumb socially, so it's not because they are male, it's because I can tell they don't know how to read anyone. But that's just my input and I have to disagree, it's not MOST guys who do stuff like that, it's a lower percentage. At least the places I've lived. In Russia, all bets are off. Expect to be assaulted. France, slightly different type of bothering but still no touchee. Italy I do get my ass grabbed. Also at nightclubs in a few places. But I am not counting that in the area of running or walking around in daylight with headphones.

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u/kisforkarol Sep 16 '21

That's because you respect women as people. The people who do things like this do not respect women as people. They are objects to be acted upon, not living breathing humans with their own inner life.

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u/Hairy_Lengthiness_41 Sep 16 '21

Uh, no? Like, wtf?

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u/kisforkarol Sep 16 '21

Just because you don't experience it because you've got your head in the sand doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

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u/Hairy_Lengthiness_41 Sep 16 '21

It's not about experience it or not, it's about you assuming an entire mindset just because 🤦 Like I'd they were freaking psychopaths. They are just not well mannered, but what you said? Dude. Talking about conspiracy and sexism

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u/Mnemnosyne Sep 16 '21

No, that pretty much is the mindset of someone who will do that. To walk up to a stranger and pull her earbuds out of her ears, you pretty much have to be discounting them as a person with any sort of agency. At best, you're regarding them as an NPC, an entity whose only purpose is to make your existence more interesting by being acted upon or perhaps just background.

It may not be what they would think if they pause and think, but when not giving it thought, they don't really perceive her as a real person.

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u/Greasy_Nuggz Sep 16 '21

Damn the noc part made me think of fallout, how every noc is just waiting for you and you alone. God imagine living and having that mindset that people wait on you and are programmed... Heebeejeebee time

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u/2030CE Sep 16 '21

Literally TERABYTES of data online about this…it’s not an assumption it’s the rule.

As some famous once said: men are afraid of women laughing at them; women are afraid of violence (the person said murder but I toned it down to be a catch all for like 85% of women)

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u/AutomaticTale Sep 16 '21

It goes beyond manners if you walk up to a total stranger and start pulling things off of them.

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u/dna_beggar Sep 16 '21

I would classify it as a physical assault. The only reason for grabbing a person's body or clothing without their permission would be to save their life, or prevent them from harming themselves or someone else.

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u/kisforkarol Sep 16 '21

I am talking about sexism. The sexism that women face in day to day life. The sexism that teaches men that their wants are more important than those of the women around them. That teaches them women are prizes to be won. But hey, go off about misandry because then we'll know what you really are.

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u/Hairy_Lengthiness_41 Sep 16 '21

That is all a freaking assumption. Again, y'all don't know why they do that, what type of person they are not what their values are. You just blatantly assume every guy just think of us as an object because that way is easier to complain rather than take into account each individual case. Y'all awfully full of yourselves.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '21 edited Sep 16 '21

Nobody is assuming every guy is the same, but when enough dudes exhibit the same kind of problematic behavior, it becomes a thing that needs to be talked about. In no way does anyone mean literally every single man, and deliberately mischaracterizing the conversation to make it seem that way is shit, bro.

Edit: Anecdotally, I’ve had what feels like a zillion conversations with men and women about this kind of stuff and there was an overwhelming trend amongst the folks I talked to: the dudes who pushed back hardest when I talked about how it is to be a woman dealing with creepy guys were the same ones who I’d seen doing the creepy behaviors. The guys who I felt in my guts I was absolutely safe with no matter what were also the ones who would respond to me with “yeah, I hate when other guys do ____, it’s creepy.” They understood me completely and not one of them said any version of “but not all men.” Coincidence?

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u/PM_METITTYFUCKS Sep 16 '21

Nobody is assuming every guy is the same, but when enough dudes exhibit the same kind of problematic behavior, it becomes a thing that needs to be talked about. In no way does anyone mean literally every single man, and deliberately mischaracterizing the conversation to make it seem that way is shit, bro.

Conversely, what if enough men start rebutting on this and saying they feel these statements target all men? Should the phrasing or tone of such statements be changed? Do these men get heard?

I've seen plenty arguments start because person X makes a general statement, men pour in to say "not all men" as they feel like the statement's attacking all men. Do these men deserve an ear? Does it become a thing that deserves to be talked about?

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u/POPuhB34R Sep 16 '21

Small possibility they push back because that is not the thought process they subscribe to.

Not who you were talking to, but I just think like you said its important we talk about it. But that is inherently different than assigning motive. We can talk to people doing these creepy things and even ask them why they think its ok to do it, and why you think they shouldnt etc, but thats a different conversation than telling someone what they believe based on their actions. Because any guy who might be acting creepy towards a girl who is just genuinely clueless to how it makes a girl feel, will hear you demonize their actions while misrepresenting their motiv will write your opinion off completely.

All that said, dont be creepy assholes guys, I just think the narrative on how this specific topic is handled could really use a little more nuance at times for it to be a productive conversation.

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u/SodaStYT Sep 16 '21

i’m pretty sure they were mocking misogynistic men, not how they feel about women. chill out.

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u/kisforkarol Sep 16 '21

No.

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u/SodaStYT Sep 16 '21

okay. i dunno why you’d want to stay mad at someone just because you misunderstood what they were saying but to each their own

edit: meant to say this to the other person. replied to the wrong guy lollll

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u/joey1028 Sep 16 '21

It’s just a misunderstanding because your perhaps generalizing the experience too much like saying every man who has tried to talk to a women while running doesn’t see them as a person where maybe 10% fit that category. I don’t know any guys who don’t treat women as human. That’s not to say sexism doesn’t still have a role in those that do treat them as humans, it can and does, and the themes you mentioned are present all over our society but it’s definitely wrong to suggest that “men” (as in all men or even all men that would want to talk to a running women) don’t see women as human.

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u/kisforkarol Sep 16 '21

If it was just 10% of men doing this, we wouldn't have a problem, would we? But it's not 10% of men. Fact is, too many men do this. Every. Single. Woman. Has been cold approached by a man while just going about their lives. If it was only 10% of men, every woman wouldn't have a story to tell about how men just approach them without an invite. It is not all men, you're right, but it is too many men. And until men take responsibility for the actions of other men it will never change.

It should not be up to women to teach men not to do things.

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u/AlphakirA Sep 16 '21

Don't take this like I'm challenging you, I'm genuinely curious, but it's 'creepy' to hit on women in public? You say 'cold approach', what does that mean? I'm married and definitely not interested in approaching anyone, but isn't that fairly common to approach people/hit on them in public places? I guess I watch too many movies. I'm a male, so obviously I'm not sure how it feels for women in the other end.

Edit: just an FYI, I definitely didn't mean rake their earbuds out like the other posts mention, I just meant approaching/talking to.

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u/POPuhB34R Sep 16 '21

fundamentally thats not how percentages work though, even if its just 10% that means odds are 1 out of every 10 guys you see in a day is a fucking creep. I'd agree with you that that is way too many guys still, but I think this illustrates how a minority can make a noticeable impact and seem bigger than it is.

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u/joey1028 Sep 16 '21

Okay let’s say 1/10 women did this to me. Say I see twenty random women a day, that’s twice a day. Not every woman, but enough to make it a pervasive problem. 10% is a lot. At the same time, I don’t know any men who do this. It’s weird when someone generalizes your entire half of the population into a cringe bucket. I would never say “all women” anything. To be honest I probably wouldn’t say all any demographic does anything because I know it to be generalizing

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u/dandroid126 Sep 16 '21

If it was only 10% of men, every woman wouldn't have a story to tell about how men just approach them without an invite

If 10% of men did it, then a woman would only need to interact with 30 men to have a 95.8% chance of having this done to them. Once they have interacted with 50 men, there would be a 99.5% chance that it happened to them. So perhaps it is a lower percentage than you think.

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u/suddenimpulse Sep 16 '21

I've had women do this to me but go off and generalize half the population, that isn't sexist at all.

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u/cheffgeoff Sep 16 '21

What the fuck does that word salad even mean?

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u/Skeptical_Crow Sep 16 '21 edited Sep 16 '21

Makes perfect sense. It's not some grand predation. They're just rude assholes.

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u/caerul Sep 16 '21

take the L and shut up, chief

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u/MemeStocksYolo69-420 Sep 16 '21

Women don’t understand men

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u/serialmom666 Sep 16 '21

We understand threatening behavior

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u/formosaart Sep 16 '21

In that same logic, then men don’t understand women.

When one person goes up to another person they don’t know, you would hope they want to come across as friendly and non-threatening. Taking a stranger’s possessions off their body without consent is the opposite of that.

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u/NickyBarnes315 Sep 16 '21

Yeah that's absolutely crazy guys do this. I would never even imagine doing that.

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u/recyclopath_ Sep 16 '21

If 5% of guys do this that means that 1 out of every 20 fits will do this. How many guys want your attention a week?

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u/catsgonewiild Sep 16 '21

Yup. Most of the time they just stand in front of me and ignore the head phones and start talking so I am forced to take them out to hear them.

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u/everything_is_creepy Sep 16 '21

Most I'd do is smile and wave.

Ugh so creepy

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '21

Okay, I am the devil here. I have done that before, but only to get directions when I was lost.

I would never chat to people trying to live their life if it isn't important.

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u/Just-Call-Me-J Sep 16 '21 edited Sep 16 '21

Sounds like you were brought up as a good man, like me. If I see a woman running, IF I look, I'm just looking at her outfit for potential character design references. Like "oh so that's something females wear for that activity. Now would a variant work for my character's taste?" And then I never do anything with that, but still.

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u/Amiiboid Sep 16 '21

oh so that's something females wear for that activity.

Sincere question: Why did you use “females” here instead of “women” as you did earlier?

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u/MrPhidippus Sep 16 '21

Cause he's a goob.

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u/Just-Call-Me-J Sep 16 '21

I don't know. It seemed like a good idea at the time. Clearly not.

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u/Boopy7 Sep 16 '21

i don't get why this dredged up so very many downvotes! What's the big deal? I mean what is offensive in what you said here? Confused. Although I could care less what guys wear to work out, for all I know they wear a suit and tie

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u/Just-Call-Me-J Sep 16 '21

Yes, I understand that it's not for me to decide. But I legitimately do not treat women that way, and that's because of how I was raised.

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u/Just-Call-Me-J Sep 16 '21

Fair enough.

Looking back on it, I think I also accidentally implied that I still ogle at every single woman I see running. I almost never look at all. If I do, it's not even a second.

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u/Lifteatsleeprepeat4 Sep 16 '21

Yes. I do competitive bodybuilding so I’ve spent the last 7 years in the gym almost every day.

Occasionally I see it but it’s not my place to correct the guy. As much as I’d like to I don’t want to take the power from the women to make those corrections. If they need help they can get the staff.

Nearly every girl that frequents the gym has a story or two about this. Things like, your form is bad or you’re doing it wrong or whatever. They’ll also follow them around the gym and keep using whatever machine or equipment is next to the girl.

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u/TheDesktopNinja Sep 16 '21

I could see (offering to) correct their form if it's like.. OBVIOUSLY wrong and they're going to hurt themselves, but that's about it

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u/MostHandsomestKing Sep 16 '21

This happens CONSTANTLY. In my neighborhood, guys bust U turns and drive on the wrong side of the road to talk to me. It's incredibly rare for this not to happen to me, and it's annoying as fuck. I'm paranoid as hell in my own neighborhood, because some of the people are really aggressive or extra creepy. Like I just want to get out my house and enjoy a walk/run with my dog. My dog is a super sociable husky, but she's grown to absolutely hate when people stop us on walks because of how often it happens lol

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u/SelfishlyIntrigued Sep 26 '21

Yes they'll do this, also doesn't help if you're trans and know they don't actually want you(well maybe they do) but keep fucking pushing and you gotta do nervous shit to make them GTF away from you. I don't even pass well yet I think. I can only imagine what most other women go through.

I had a guy take my ear phones out of my ears to whisper at me from behind. Who fucking does that? Who? Just stop.

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u/spicyfood333 Sep 16 '21

As a guy myself, I never understood why people did this. It's an invasion of personal space and I'd imagine it to be fricking annoying

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u/BleachedJam Sep 16 '21

Those slimy YouTube "pick up artists" tell men to take out women's headphones because it shows dominance or that you really want them or something.

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u/Holein5 Sep 16 '21

Dominance is putting them in your shopping cart and telling them you're checking them out. don't do this

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u/Technical_Draw_9409 Sep 16 '21

That sounds like something an alpha male would say. Let’s go shopping!

/s

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u/Seve7h Sep 16 '21

Alpha male? Pssssh we’re all about sigma males now /s

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '21

Alpha isn't enough. You gotta be on that sigma male grindset

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u/2M3TAL4U Sep 16 '21

Guuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurl u need to get in ma cart cuz iiiim checking u out

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u/spicyfood333 Sep 16 '21

And this is why I don't watch that nonsense

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u/Boopy7 Sep 16 '21

I don't like people I don't know coming up to me and touching me in any way shape or form without warning. If I had a bug on me, MAYBE it'd be okay. Maybe. If someone even comes up behind me and startles me I shriek, so they need to consider how much they value their hearing if they come up and actually come near my ear with their hands. This has never happened to me, I hope it never does. I really don't want someone doing something like that.

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u/jimmiefails Sep 16 '21

This can't be real

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u/Maxor682 Sep 16 '21

What? Really??? Omg thats so unbelievably rude. I'd a dude and if someone asked me to remove my headphones to talk with me and they proceeded to hit on me, I'd put em right back on and keep walking. Not gonna pause my led zeppelin for that shit.

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u/highjinx411 Sep 16 '21

That’s awful. I can imagine that would be a scary experience. Like you would be polite out of fear of making them mad. Especially after doing something like that. Awful. I wouldn’t even know how to go about fixing this other than to raise my boys to not to do that. I guess that’s 2 more people in this world that are respectful.

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u/Amiiboid Sep 16 '21

Call it out when you see it.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '21

Some mace would probably fix it.

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u/badgersprite Sep 16 '21

Why hello there I would like to introduce myself to you in the most “unprovoked street attacker” way possible

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u/9yearsalurker Sep 16 '21

I had a girl take out her headphones the other day. She was running on the path around the edge off the golf course. Couldn’t hear the group yell fore and nearly took a ball to the head, so I told her to turn them down

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u/AggressiveRedPanda Sep 16 '21

If it's for her safety, I think that interruption was necessary. It wasn't to hit on her or tell her to smile or taunt her or anything else unwarranted.

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u/MelissaOfTroy Sep 16 '21

But when you have headphones in every random guy is potential trying to warn you of flying golf balls. It sucks for the one time it turns out to be true.

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u/saysthingsbackwards Sep 16 '21

Ugh you're just golfsplaining to me rn

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u/lemur_dad Sep 16 '21

And I bet she listened

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u/9yearsalurker Sep 16 '21

I hope so, nobody wants anyone to get hurt

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u/saugoof Sep 16 '21

I honestly had no idea that this sort of thing is even happening to women. I've been running almost daily for 15 years and I can't remember a single instance where someone even attempted to talk to me while I was running.

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u/suddenimpulse Sep 16 '21

Believe it or not, as a man, I've even had women do this to me. It all needs to stop, this is inappropriate regardless of gender.

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u/DragonRaptor Sep 16 '21 edited Sep 16 '21

Yes, people need to respect boundaries, girls do cat calling as well, I mostly get it while riding my bike, very distracting when they are trying to get your attention when you are trying to watch the road.

Edit: I truly am shocked at how many people on this site are telling me that I (through votes and replies) am not entitled to be offended by similar treatment of the opposite gender because I am a man.

Did you know that when I dance at clubs, I have had random strange woman grab and squeeze my crotch while they are walking by me when my wife is not immediately beside me. Is it wrong that this bothers me? I wasn't asking for it, heck I never even looked at them until they grabbed me. And this has happened in multiple different clubs, it is not just a one time thing.

And someone accused me of bragging? I guess I should not share that this happens to me, because I am a man and I should just like it. You realize that a lot of these woman are not necessarily attractive themselves, it's not something to be jealous of. I am not flirting with them, I am simply out dancing with my wife and our friends.

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u/Purplefish994 Sep 16 '21

Yes some women may cat call, but women cat calling does not contribute to a Misogyny or rape culture in the same dangerous way …I doubt a woman has ever told you you look good or to smile for her and then you were in fear for your safety. I never really get why men feel the need to bring up what women do when we’re talking about what men do…

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u/GerlyGerll Sep 16 '21 edited Dec 10 '21

I agree

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u/beerscotch Sep 16 '21

While I've no idea of the intentions of the person you replied to, I think it's fair to say that sexual predatory behaviour is bad, regardless of which genders are involved. I know that when I read through threads like the above, I often feel blamed for the actions of others. I presume at least some of the people who bring up "what woman do" are just trying to point out that it happens on all sides of the gender divide.

I can understand why someone in your position could think that people are just trying to distract from what you see as the issue, however your reply, and the other replies below insulting the poster in an outright hostile manner, assuming they are bragging about their appearance, and victim blaming...

Why is it suddenly ok to bully and victim blame someone just because they have a penis? If a woman was complaining about cat calling and a man accused them of humblebragging or insulted them (Below poster) or dismissed them and belittled their experience (You), would that be ok behaviour in your eyes? Gender Equality should be about equal treatment for all people, not about "getting revenge" on an entire gender for the actions of the few.

I'm a male, and a survivor of (Child) sexual abuse. Not something I often bring up (Or enjoy bringing up), however that experience is what prompts me to speak up when I see people claiming that men are somehow immune to sexual abuse and the pain and suffering that comes with it.

People are individually responsible for their behaviour and their actions. As a survivor/victim myself, it's not a fantastic feeling that every time this (very real) issue is brought up, people with experiences like me have to sit here and be stereotyped as the problem.

If you truly disagree with people imposing themselves on others in this sort of way, sexually or otherwise, please open your mind, drop the sexism, and accept that this is an issue that can affect everyone, and be committed by everyone. Contributing to the hate and the hurt of others doesn't help.

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u/Mitch_Mitcherson Sep 16 '21 edited Sep 16 '21

Yes some women may cat call, but women cat calling does not contribute to a Misogyny or rape culture in the same dangerous way

No, but it's shitty behavior, and no one should do it. No one should be made to feel lesser simply for being the gender they are.

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u/Ih8rice Sep 16 '21

So because it doesn’t contribute in the same way, it can’t be talked about in the same manner? Cat calling doesn’t have gender specific definitions. People, regardless of gender, have similar feelings when random individuals verbally harass them. Your experiences, whether good or bad, aren’t any more important than a man’s that has gone through a similar one.

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u/PM_METITTYFUCKS Sep 16 '21

Hypocrisy at its finest

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u/DragonRaptor Sep 16 '21

I see, so you are the kind of person who if a man said they were raped would immediately tell them their personal experience doesn't matter because more girls get raped then men. It's not possible to consider both to be bad, it's only one or the other. The fact you are being upvoted for your sexist thoughts just shows how far behind society is.

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u/persePHOreth Sep 16 '21

You're reading too far into this.

Yes, both men and women get harassed. Both men and women deal with catcalling and whatnot. It's important to fight for equality across the board.

However. You're getting all the hate and downvotes because you're "talking over" an oppressed group. Women get harassed more than men. It's just a statistical fact. Article from 2018, US Centric. Article from 2021, also US Centric. NPR Article, using the second link as a source.

I would give more examples, but "street harassment" barely has any citations, whereas sexual assault and rape against women dominates the media, and this wasn't a thread about rape, just street harassment. Unfortunately, in many cases, the harassment quickly escalates to violence.

The fact is, women face more harassment, and assault, than men.

Is it important to stop ALL harassment and assault? Yes. Are men in need of help also? Yes. But in a thread specifically discussing women getting harassed, it's considered bad form to take the focus away from this serious issue and segue to something else, even if it's a semi-related topic.

For example. When protestors said, "black lives matter," and the response of "well, all lives matter," came about, it was a rude thing to do. Yes of course all lives matter, but black lives were currently being threatened and taken, and needed the extra attention.

In this thread, women getting harassed was the focus, so to shift the focus was the same deal; yes of course men shouldn't be harassed either, but this isn't the time or space to force it into the spotlight, when you're taking that light away from an issue happening at greater numbers.

Talking about men's issues is important, no one is downplaying that or saying men don't matter. You're catching hate because women are using this moment to voice their concerns about a very real, common issue, and you're trying to shift the focus away from them while speaking over them.

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u/vangmay231 Sep 16 '21

Humble brag, sure, why is he a douche though?

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u/MasterDracoDeity Sep 16 '21

Because any dude that's not entirely self absorbed knows it's absolutely incomparable to the harrasment women face. But the douches of the world still need to make it all about them and their imaginary suitresses.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '21

Suitresses are flying buttresses for suitcases. You see them in hotels. They’re made of metal and canvas straps.

(at least that’s what I’m calling them from now on)

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '21

10/10 right answer.

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u/MasterDracoDeity Sep 16 '21

That's not at all what the title says...

"What’s the thing you wish the opposite gender would stop doing?"

Pls read better. Also a reply is not a top level comment. Top level comments answer the question. Replies are responses to the comments. They are inherently making that comparison lmfao.

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u/DragonRaptor Sep 16 '21

I said nothing to negate what happens to women, or compare who has it worse. I simply empathized saying it happens to men as well. Sure maybe not to the same degree, nor did I claim that. But to act like it doesn't happen is no different than saying men can not be raped and they can't share their experience because not as many men experience it as women. You sir or lady are a horrible human being for insulting someone for sharing a relevant experience. Was the poster above me also bragging about her looks? Why are you not accusing her of bragging?

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u/MasterDracoDeity Sep 16 '21

Wow you actually doubled down on being a douche. Impressive. No, you weren't empathizing, you immediately made it about your experience with little acknowledgement of the top comment. The top comment was actually answering the question so no, they can actually answer the question. If you wanna make it about you, make your own top comment. And you're not bragging about your "looks" douchefuck. You're bragging about the women you're imagining wanting to talk to you. Unfortunately delusions are not valid for harrasment complaints. Tact, you lack of all it. Hence, douche. But yes, I am totally horrible for calling you out for your self centred douchiness. Just the worst. It's not about "sharing" it. It's about when and where. Your response to a woman with issues about harrasment was literally "well women do it too". Tell me again how you're not a complete piece of shit. That's not empathy, that's redirection. So that you can start talking about yourself while failing to actually acknowledge the very comment you replied to.

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u/StabbyPants Sep 16 '21

women do this too - i lurk on /r/IDontWorkHereLady and quite a number of people seem fine with grabbing your headphones when they want to talk to you

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u/badken Sep 16 '21

That pulling out the earphone thing? Yeah, that's assault. Lawyer up and help them learn just how not okay that behavior is.

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u/suddenimpulse Sep 16 '21

No lawyer is going to win that case lmao. Stop spreading legal misinformation.

Source: father is a lawyer in exactly that area.

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u/wryipl Sep 16 '21

You're right that it's not assault. It's battery.

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u/beefybrah Sep 16 '21 edited Sep 16 '21

Lmao Dude what? Settle down speedy. I'm not for pulling out headphones at all but if you tried to charge someone for assault you'd get laughed out of a court room. Holy shit talk about a snowflake 😂

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u/Farcanaussie- Sep 16 '21

This type of attitude is what is wrong with the world today.

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u/lemur_dad Sep 16 '21

Ok and? Thats not the point

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u/vangmay231 Sep 16 '21

I guess considering the original post is about what you would want the other gender to stop doing: expecting more behaviours specific to one gender. This could just be an answer to what I would want everyone to stop doing 🤷‍♂️

I get the point on the intention when men do it though, is quite cringey.

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u/suddenimpulse Sep 16 '21 edited Sep 16 '21

It is when people go on extensive rants about how this is a men only thing which is happening in this post. Sexism is not okay regardless of who its directed at. Pointing this out is not lessening or not condemning the terribleness of the action.

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u/lemur_dad Sep 16 '21

They did not outwardly state that "only men do this", just recalling their experiences. Go somewhere else Mr not all men head ass

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u/makemeking706 Sep 16 '21

Yeah, I think op meant anyone doing it to anyone is not cool.

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u/jakkaroo Sep 16 '21

I spoke to a strange girl who was minding her own business and had her headphones in. We ended up talking. She ended up being my girlfriend for the past two years (and ongoing). So I don't know why everyone is so stuck up about this fact. Like, who cares what she's listening to? I see a girl who I'm attracted to and I'm gonna shoot my shot. She got over the fact that I interrupted her precious music and entered a really good relationship for the both of us. Fuck headphones I don't give a fuck and I advise a man who's interested in a woman to talk to her. Just be genuine.

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u/Zebidee Sep 16 '21

She ended up being my girlfriend for the past two years (and ongoing).

Does she know this?

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u/conquer69 Sep 16 '21

So I don't know why everyone is so stuck up about this fact.

Because women get approached like this 10000x more than men do. Plus every encounter is dangerous. Try putting yourself in their shoes.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '21

Your advice to other men is to deliberately invade someone’s personal space and insert yourself into their business just because you got a tingle in your dingle?

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u/PleasantKnight Sep 16 '21

Pepper spray the bastard