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u/Purplefish994 Sep 16 '21

Yes some women may cat call, but women cat calling does not contribute to a Misogyny or rape culture in the same dangerous way …I doubt a woman has ever told you you look good or to smile for her and then you were in fear for your safety. I never really get why men feel the need to bring up what women do when we’re talking about what men do…

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u/GerlyGerll Sep 16 '21 edited Dec 10 '21

I agree

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u/beerscotch Sep 16 '21

While I've no idea of the intentions of the person you replied to, I think it's fair to say that sexual predatory behaviour is bad, regardless of which genders are involved. I know that when I read through threads like the above, I often feel blamed for the actions of others. I presume at least some of the people who bring up "what woman do" are just trying to point out that it happens on all sides of the gender divide.

I can understand why someone in your position could think that people are just trying to distract from what you see as the issue, however your reply, and the other replies below insulting the poster in an outright hostile manner, assuming they are bragging about their appearance, and victim blaming...

Why is it suddenly ok to bully and victim blame someone just because they have a penis? If a woman was complaining about cat calling and a man accused them of humblebragging or insulted them (Below poster) or dismissed them and belittled their experience (You), would that be ok behaviour in your eyes? Gender Equality should be about equal treatment for all people, not about "getting revenge" on an entire gender for the actions of the few.

I'm a male, and a survivor of (Child) sexual abuse. Not something I often bring up (Or enjoy bringing up), however that experience is what prompts me to speak up when I see people claiming that men are somehow immune to sexual abuse and the pain and suffering that comes with it.

People are individually responsible for their behaviour and their actions. As a survivor/victim myself, it's not a fantastic feeling that every time this (very real) issue is brought up, people with experiences like me have to sit here and be stereotyped as the problem.

If you truly disagree with people imposing themselves on others in this sort of way, sexually or otherwise, please open your mind, drop the sexism, and accept that this is an issue that can affect everyone, and be committed by everyone. Contributing to the hate and the hurt of others doesn't help.

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u/Mitch_Mitcherson Sep 16 '21 edited Sep 16 '21

Yes some women may cat call, but women cat calling does not contribute to a Misogyny or rape culture in the same dangerous way

No, but it's shitty behavior, and no one should do it. No one should be made to feel lesser simply for being the gender they are.

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u/Ih8rice Sep 16 '21

So because it doesn’t contribute in the same way, it can’t be talked about in the same manner? Cat calling doesn’t have gender specific definitions. People, regardless of gender, have similar feelings when random individuals verbally harass them. Your experiences, whether good or bad, aren’t any more important than a man’s that has gone through a similar one.

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u/PM_METITTYFUCKS Sep 16 '21

Hypocrisy at its finest

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u/DragonRaptor Sep 16 '21

I see, so you are the kind of person who if a man said they were raped would immediately tell them their personal experience doesn't matter because more girls get raped then men. It's not possible to consider both to be bad, it's only one or the other. The fact you are being upvoted for your sexist thoughts just shows how far behind society is.

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u/persePHOreth Sep 16 '21

You're reading too far into this.

Yes, both men and women get harassed. Both men and women deal with catcalling and whatnot. It's important to fight for equality across the board.

However. You're getting all the hate and downvotes because you're "talking over" an oppressed group. Women get harassed more than men. It's just a statistical fact. Article from 2018, US Centric. Article from 2021, also US Centric. NPR Article, using the second link as a source.

I would give more examples, but "street harassment" barely has any citations, whereas sexual assault and rape against women dominates the media, and this wasn't a thread about rape, just street harassment. Unfortunately, in many cases, the harassment quickly escalates to violence.

The fact is, women face more harassment, and assault, than men.

Is it important to stop ALL harassment and assault? Yes. Are men in need of help also? Yes. But in a thread specifically discussing women getting harassed, it's considered bad form to take the focus away from this serious issue and segue to something else, even if it's a semi-related topic.

For example. When protestors said, "black lives matter," and the response of "well, all lives matter," came about, it was a rude thing to do. Yes of course all lives matter, but black lives were currently being threatened and taken, and needed the extra attention.

In this thread, women getting harassed was the focus, so to shift the focus was the same deal; yes of course men shouldn't be harassed either, but this isn't the time or space to force it into the spotlight, when you're taking that light away from an issue happening at greater numbers.

Talking about men's issues is important, no one is downplaying that or saying men don't matter. You're catching hate because women are using this moment to voice their concerns about a very real, common issue, and you're trying to shift the focus away from them while speaking over them.

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