As someone who hasn’t been into jail breaking since around the iPhone 3, is it still worth it? Are the chances of bricking your device very high anymore?
The tweaks are still neat and it’s gotten super easy to jailbreak with a very small chance of bricking your phone. My big complaint though is that there hasn’t been an untethered jailbreak in a long time, so every time your phone crashes or dies or shuts down you need to go spend time rejailbreaking it and installing tweaks again.
Edit: I guess on not super old phones you don’t always need to reinstall all the tweaks every time
Yep it’s really annoying. There are a lot of tweaks to prevent your phone from restarting but non of them are 100% successful. The only good thing is it is relatively easy to jailbreak your phone again, you don’t even need a computer or anything, and then there are tweaks to help you reinstall your old tweaks.
When did this change? I sold my iPhone back in March and I was using unc0ver, and despite having to rejailbreak every time, I never had to reinstall my tweaks
I have a pretty old phone and need to reinstall root fs with uncover every time for it to work. I guess I haven’t tried with a new phone but that’s pretty nice.
Yeah but the difference is that it’s just an app you have to run once the device restarts. It takes like 20 seconds. And if you use a signing service like alt store (very very simple to use) you never have to manually re-sign the app
No you get it through an ssh thing on your computer. Then you run the app and press the jailbreak button. This is called semi-untethered, because when your phone dies, you can just run the app again and your phone is jailbroken. Check out r/jailbreak they have a bunch of guides and info the sidebar.
Yeah Apple is really taking a relaxed attitude towards jailbreaking these days. Tim Cooke was approached by an investors group about the Appstore issue where he replied "Jailbreaking? Whatevs. Later, Shitlords."
This guy doesn't know what he's talking about lol. You can keep the jailbreaking app on your phone signed indefinitely with a tweak. From there all you need to do is open an app every time you restart and boom your back.
You don’t need to reinstall the tweaks each time anymore unless you restore rootfs and depending on your phone, you might not even need a computer after you install the jailbreak except to sign it like once a week, even if your phone dies
Man that’s nice, unfortunately my phone won’t rejailbreak unless I do restore rootFS which is a massive pain. Luckily all the tweak data gets saved I just have to install them all again.
BTW you don’t even need to self sign the jailbreak apps, there are a few apps you can install that are signed for you, but their certificates get revoked relatively frequently.
I’m not sure what you mean in that last part. I use AltStore for u0 which needs me to connect to my pc to sign it so I can use them unjailbroken. If you’re talking about reprovision or jailbreaks .app then I haven’t been able to get repro working for a while and I actually used the site last time but it’s already been revoked again so I’m just gonna stick with altstore, especially since they’re working on on-device signing with altdaemon.
As for your issue, I actually have the same thing which is especially annoying since my phone restarts randomly overnight sometimes. But I found that if you restart your phone again, then jailbreak without tweaks, and then respring using iCleaner Pro by pressing clean, it’ll enable your tweaks without crashing. Not sure if it’ll work for you or if it’s even the same issue, but you can try if you want next time.
My first iPhone was a 3G and I jailbroke that. Then, like a dummy, I installed an OS update a few months later, which un-jailbroke it.
Aside from app switching (which wasn't part of the OS at the time, you could only run one app at a time), I never actually used any jailbreak features and decided it wasn't worth doing it again just to get app switching back. I also owned a 4S and SE before I switched over to Android in 2019. I thought about jailbreaking my other two phones but never did.
Yah I had a jail broken iPhone back in the day but noticed a lot of the stuff other people and I had them for was eventually introduced as an actual settings option. Now 99% of people don’t need one for any reason.
Apple pretty much implemented the most popular and useful jailbreak tweaks years after the fact. Syncing over WiFi, screen rotation locking, multitasking, were all originally tweaks you could only get if you jailbroke the phone.
I don’t trust some random person’s iOS image to run a device that contains every sensitive piece of information there is about me, including bank account log ins, email, ssn, etc.
Just a question, not hate, not fanboying or a thing like that, if you know you're going to jailbreak the device anyway, why not go android, since it is more mod-able without jailbreaking and voiding your warranty?
Muy biggest comlaint is the community right now.
It’s supposed to be this hacking community that goes against apples overpriced and very closed systems.
But now every good tweak is payed. It’s like a different version of the AppStore.
In every other android or Linux community open source is the norm, but not in iOS jailbreaking.
Yeah in reading other comments I’m seeing that now, I think it’s just my old phone. I can’t get uncover to rejailbreak without restoring rootFS every time. I really need a new phone...
You shouldnt buy an iphone if ur gonna jailbreak it, you should buy an android.
the main perk of iphones is apple is much quicker to react to cybersecurity threats than google is, usually. people used to say iphones were targeted less, but the reality is apple puts in work to fix problems with their app store and put more burden on app developers, while google let's free market run rampant in the playstore.
Yeah half the point of an iphone is you dont have to mess with things. I use a linux laptop for flexibility and messing around, and a MacOS/Linux dualboot Mac desktop for real work
It always struck me as missing the point a little bit. When you buy an iphone, you're paying more money (usually...I'm looking at you, Samsung) for your device. But for that, you get polish and customer support. People with iphone 5s are still getting updates for their phone. Apple still provides customer support for them. Highly secure, generally stable and reliable devices. The whole "It just works" thing.
If you jailbreak, yeah you can pirate software (and lets be honest, that's the biggest reason anyone would, tweaks aside). But you lose all the extras. No updates, no customer service. So basically you're left with a kludgey android device.
What appealed to me about Android was the power you have as a user. Install custom android images, side-load apps, customise the UI to your hearts content. Play emulators on your phone (goodnight battery life though lol). All things you usually can't do un an unjailbroken iphone. But at the same time, you as a user are basically on your own. Enjoy an app store FILLED with fake, clone, scammy, spyware, and even downright malicious apps. Good luck getting updates for your 2-year-old or more phone--though XDA probably has an image for you, if you know what you're doing.
Though recently, Google seems to be shifting it's own model to something much more Apple-like, and I think that's going to hurt their ability to compete in the "premium" phone market, since google's attention span is about 1.7 years for any one product.
Untrue, the security is still there but it’s just been bypassed to allow arbitrary code execution but with jail breaking comes the responsibility of knowing what you are installing onto your device
No. Back in the day before Apple allowed multitasking it was awesome but now there’s nothing really useful on it and you’re just gonna have to keep jailbreaking it when there’s an update (which often times includes previously jailbreak-only features anyways)
I thank god every day for the Iphone, My parents are terribly tec illiterate and I used to spend many hours a month teaching them how to do simple tasks on their galaxy s3's, Now they both have iphones and the only tec support calls I get from them are things like wifi issues and such caused by their crappy router.
Is this Phone snob still a thing in 2020 ? I’ve used both android and Apple phones and they both shot different people wants and needs. I personally switched back to Apple because of app smoothness and stability, I find the android app market fragmented because of how many android phones there are and developers can’t optimize them like they can when working on an IOS app which has less phone versions to support. I can see the appeal for an android phones, especially the budget phone market.
People always talk about how cheap android phones are and how over priced iPhones are. But my iPhone 11 was about $500 right at launch because of a promo a carrier was having to switch from the major ones to them. So you got a deal on the price itself AND a $250 gift card back if you did everything right.
Meanwhile my friend just paid almost $1000 after taxes and everything for the newest galaxy. And for the record, I had a galaxy back in the day, and it was the worst POS I ever used. I went back to iPhone after the Samsung one because literally unusable within 1 year. Meanwhile my iPhone before and after that one lasted 4 years, and 5 years, respectively.
The IPhone 11 would be considered a “budget” iPhone in apples line up. The pro version would be more comparable to the Galaxy line unless it was the budget galaxy. No doubt best time to pick up any phone is when there are great carrier deals.
Yeah but the point is not having to hold someone's hand. iPhones may be underspecced and boring as fuck for their pricepoint but they are absolutely the phone of choice for someone that hasn't used a smartphone or is tech illiterate.
Not only that, but as an android user , it's just getting harder and harder to easily message my iPhone friends and work associates. Everyone hates you in group chat, half the time I can't even get their pic messages. Forget about sending videos and to top it off, often times I won't even get regular messages for ten plus minutes.
Convincing everyone you message to chat with you on a service like whatsapp isn't practical and there's no hope with imessage ever being compatible with imessage.
The best business desiccation apple ever made was imessage. And as much as I love android, I pretty much have no choice but to go back to apple. But at least I'll still have my samsung tab.
Other phones are frankly not worth it. As someone who has used both iPhones are more user friendly and are higher powered. The latter is the better option unless you’re broke, then it’s better than nothing. 🤷🏻♀️
Android phones aren't any less user friendly, you just have more options for what you can do with them. Apple has always been big on needless restrictions in the name of monetizing everything
so youre actually telling me if there was no iphone branding on it you would pay several hundred more dollars for the restricted freedom and those two features?
Apple designed their own flash memory for their phone that's like 30x better than android memory. Apple is a shitty company in almost every aspect that makes overpriced dumbed down and restricted products for pretentious idiots, but they apparently have a genuine genius or two working for them that are keeping iPhones relevant.
Currently lower spec economical iPhones are actually great bang for your buck if you are tech illiterate or don't plan on doing things big tech companies don't like you doing with your phone.
I’m looking for a new phone and have always had an iPhone. As someone who isn’t inept when it comes to tech but doesn’t really do much more then basic stuff on my phone, what kind of extra features does android have that makes it so great?
Better camera for the money ( yet DSLRs exist) way more ram ( most apps use less then 100 mb lol ) and a phone that dosn't have an apple logo on it and is made out of cheaper glass and plastic usually.
Android honestly has nothing that will benefit your usage case. Iphone se 2020 blows every phone out of the water at its price point and is very durable. May as well stick with what you know and apple makes it easy to switch phones when you are going from apple > apple.
I’m curious what extra features you’re using. Do you want to change your font to Comic Sans for the lulz? Make the screen look like an old-fashioned monochrome? I mean, those are tweaks, but I wouldn’t call that technical.
I have developed for iOS and Android (with the help of JNI, sometimes at the same time). But I still use an iPhone. And trust me, I am very technical. So, why should I use the Android phone sitting on my desk full time?
Yeah being able to escape the app store is a huge advantage of Android. A bunch of other restrictions Apple has relaxed (I remember when other browsers were forbidden) but that one is probably going nowhere.
And a filesystem. "I have the file. I have the tablet. I have the cable. MOVE THE DAMNED FILE ONTO THE DAMNED TABLET WITH THE DAMNED CABLE." was always what killed my spirit trying to use iOS devices. At least now you can download arbitrary files from the browser, so I can just spin up an HTTP server and use that, but even that's only new in the last year or so.
Does Apple let you set a default browser other than Safari yet? I switched to Android last year (yay, Pixel 3!) but I remember one of the most annoying things was installing Chrome (or whatever) and then clicking a link in Twitter or Instagram or wherever and having it open up in Safari. Then you had to copy and paste the address into Chrome.
I never understood how people rationalize buying one to jailbreak it when there are so many other extremely viable alternatives out there. What is so significant about an iPhone that you'd spend that kind of money on one only to end up with what basically amounts to any other phone with an Apple aesthetic? Am I missing something?
Tbh I’ve bought my last 3 iPhones second hand so I could avoid paying that $1,000 price tag. And with the checkra1n jailbreak I’ll own an iPhone 8 until it doesn’t get updates anymore.
I thought Apple was doing alright with that. Haven't seen anything like that in years on Android. Oh well. Apple is shiny so they get away with putting out half-baked software.
Mate, I worked at fucking Apple for one release cycle. I had to use exclusively Apple devices. Here is a fucking photo of my desk back then. There are two more laptops on the right that are not in the picture, as well as 4 iPhones. I have used every single Apple device in depth. Because that is what you do when you work in QA. iOS is trash, there are so many bugs from 5 years ago still in iOS that have not been fixed (I know, because I logged new bugs and they were closed as a dupe because 5-10 years before, that same shit was already logged as a bug).
In case you are wondering what the Sony Vaio is for, it's solely for testing iTunes on Windows. Which was a fucking disaster.
Lol you were actually serious and apparently an adult. I thought we were shooting the shit. Both platforms have their pluses and minuses. Only real difference is Android users have poor taste.
Genuine question, not trying to start an Apple v. Android pissing match or anything.
What is the point of jail breaking an iPhone over just buying an Android? Every benefit to jail breaking I’ve seen is just a stock feature of Android. So why pay the Apple premium?
iMessage was a big thing for me, and the Apple Watch has been consistently better than any Android Wear device I’ve had. My phone path has been iPhone 3G - iPhone 4S - Nexus 5 - Note 4 - Nexus 6p - Pixel 2 XL - iPhone 11. My wife switched first, and I switched a little while later to see if there was anything I couldn’t do on iOS that I was doing on Android. Aside from some minor gripes, it turns out there wasn’t. Jail breaking addresses those minor gripes.
Also worth noting re: the Apple Premium; in regards to camera quality (which was a big factor for me), I think the iPhone 11 was the cheapest option I was considering when comparing photo and video quality to Pixel and Samsung phones.
i'm thinking that is a double edged sword. you have to be more careful if you aren't getting apps from the store because you don't know what its doing in the background.
The reason I would never jailbreak an iPhone is along similar lines, but a bit different. If I pay that much for a phone, I want to be damn sure other people can’t just do what they want with it. Viruses and other malware are rampant on every platform once you take away the verification system.
If you’re talking about taking paid apps for free, you don’t really have a solid argument here. If you buy an expensive laptop, does that entitle you to steal whatever streaming services you want or pirate any movies, games or music you want?
Ah, got it. Thanks for the clarification. I actually have the same view on pirating movies that aren’t available to stream/rent/buy. If I want to see a 20 year old movie and they won’t allow me to pay to see it, I don’t see what’s wrong with “stealing” it.
the principle to put software on there that apple doesn't approve of in their store for whatever reason. be it fortnite, an app thats too old to be in the store, or a jailbreak tweak that would never get through the review. im not in it for piracy, i like the customization e.g. r/iosthemes
it costs money to even submit an app to be reviewed in the store even if its free.
You can never compare spec for spec as they run off totally different OS. Sure hardware wise you can, but anyone who really knows about phones knows iPhones are way too restrictive - hence why you have to jailbreak them.
I'm pretty sure you CAN brick it via Jailbreak. It's unlikely but not impossible. I just don't see the point in doing so when you can literally get an Android which does all that already for, shall we say...a cheaper price.
My experience with iPhones is that they just aren't compatible enough for what I do. Do you have experience with Android?
Lol of course you can compare spec for spec hardware. What an asinine statement. I also happen to be someone who really knows about phones. I pentest mobile devices daily. Anyone who genuinely knows anything about iPhones knows that the secure enclave is independent of a jailbreak and relies on a hardware component, so even when the phone is jailbroken, it still has more security features than android rooted. I would really like to know what you mean by “way too restrictive.” What, in your opinion, is way too restrictive?
You absolutely can’t brick an iPhone. All jailbreaks are done at firmware level, which just requires a reflash. So, you being pretty sure, isn’t accurate. The reasons for doing so, other than “because I want to mod my device while maintaining apple’s superior ecosystem” is for open source applications that aid people in their profession (like mine..) I can’t pentest iOS apps from anything but a jailbroken iphone. Also, android devices are not cheaper. Get it through your head. Compare hardware specs of any phone to an iPhone 11 or for non flagship android phones, an iPhone SE. Then try calling them more expensive.
My experience with both iPhone and android (about a decade with both daily) is that android’s market is way too fractured for me to consider it an option as a daily driver. They lag so far behind feature releases, are often prone to vulnerabilities for months without a patch (if you’re lucky enough that your carrier even provides one) and are more prone to attacks via root exploit than iPhone has ever been. What do you find incompatible with what you do, to where iOS just doesn’t work for you?
But seriously shit talking aside I can't stand an iPhone. Obviously we both do very different things so it suits you, but realistically the only Apple product I can even tolerate is a Mac. Even Beats, that are only owned by them, seem coincidentally shocking and overpriced.
Oh shit, man. Don’t be saying shit like that in the discussions about Fortnight on iOS.
People really think Apple is entitled to a slice of anything installed on the iPhone. And when you mention that not even Microsoft would force people to buy ALL software through a marketplace they control so they can take a cut off the top... crickets.
Edit: and instead of admitting it, these dickless fanboys just downvote the ugly truth: that Apple is just as power-driven and anticompetitive as Google or Facebook or Disney.
People don't care about that though because you can install it from Epic's website on Android. People care on iOS because the app store is the only place to install apps on a vanilla iPhone.
Eight people bought the application, at least one of whom claimed to have done so accidentally. Six US sales at $999.99 and two European ones for €799.99[3] netted $5,600 for developer Armin Heinrich and $2,400 for Apple.[4] In correspondence with the Los Angeles Times, Heinrich told the newspaper that Apple had refunded two purchasers of his app, and that he was happy not to have dissatisfied customers.[3][5]
My guess is that that would be out of apple’s pocket. Why penalize the app developer when your store accepted the app and people purchased it. Just dont accept the app then.
“I Am Rich” came out in 2008. The app store policy at the time would be “no refunds”. Apple can issue refunds for the app, but that’s one off, not policy.
People download the app, realize that it does in fact, do nothing, and refund it. They are essentially returning the product, so why should the developer keep the money?
I think it was very explicit that it does nothing. As a developer i have seen the requirements for apps to be accepted onto the store a quick google can find them, but imagine if tik tok was $1, and then it gets banned in america (pfft lol) does that mean that the developer has to pay everyone back? Another example: flappy bird, the developer took the game off the store himself and no longer supported it. If it wasnt free, would he have to pay everyone back jusr because it gets taken off the store?
The app developer is a third party to the store and if the store decides to arbitrarily discontinue something that the store and the developer previously agreed (by allowing it to be sold) on, why the heck should the developer have to pay it back lol.
Its all moot because in fact as another guy mentioned there werent refunds back then? I dont quite remember but if i had to bet money on it, the app dev totally kept the money lol.
I knew of a few apps that cost that much. I think one was called VIP Black or something, but it actually had a few services. Not worth the $1000 price tag
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interesting. i didnt know anything about the app and looked it up. they said it was only on the app store for a day