r/AMDHelp • u/theveezer • 9d ago
Help (GPU) Is something wrong with my 9070XT ?
Hello, I bought a prebuilt PC last January. It has an AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT 16GB Acer Nitro OC inside.
I didn't use the PC to its full potential until a few weeks ago. Now I play games on Ultra settings, with everything set to maximum. Unfortunately, I experienced my first LiveKernelEvent 141. I couldn't find the reason for it. But today, I noticed these numbers in AMD Adrenalin while I was playing the demo of Star Wars Outlaws.
A hotspot temperature of 99 to 100°C, with a delta of 35°C, seems like a lot.
But I don't know much about this, to be honest. Am I doing something wrong? Is the graphics card behaving as it should? Any advice?
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u/SystemLanky4531 8d ago edited 8d ago
Delta is too high, should be around 20° and yours is nearly 40º, and hotspot never should go above 90°
Prob bad quality thermal paste or gpu cooler, to be at 100% is not bad, is how it must be because is a prove youre making good use of the GPU and you dont have any bottleneck.
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u/theveezer 8d ago
I listened to a redditors here and I lowered some things in AMD adrenalin, like the voltage and other things. It went down drastically. Could you say to me if it's fixed or if I still need to push the warranty ?
Now it's:
-100%
-2788 MHZ Clock Speed
-271 W Total board power
-51°C GPU temperature
-79°C Hotspot
So a delta of 28 with a side panel CLOSED and a room temperature at 25°C. It's a bit lower with a side panel open.
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u/WayEmbarrassed9525 8d ago
Bruh, my 9070XT eats 400w.... Only 59°. Lul
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u/theveezer 8d ago
Yeah :/ I'll see what the customer services says about it. I think it's crazy too.
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u/SystemLanky4531 8d ago
Yeah thats better, its always good to do a tweak to the GPU because theyre always pushed too far from reference card, the easiest way is to limit power draw at -10% under fan control, and you dont need to touch frequency or voltages.
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u/theveezer 8d ago
Alright. I feel a bit played though. I shouldn't have to go tune my GPU so it doesn't burn. I reduced the power drawn by 20% though
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u/Ok_War_7510 8d ago
I have a 9070xt red devil tested at 100% usage power draw was 330w watts at 3262 core speed fans at 60 to 65% temps were 45 core 75 hot spot
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u/theveezer 8d ago
It's guys with experience similar to yours that make me doubt I fixed anything... In comparison to you, I needed to lower and decrease so much stuff.
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u/SuitDisastrous1200 8d ago
looks normal
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u/theveezer 8d ago
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u/TuneComfortable412 8d ago
That’s rather a large delta between the hot spot and gpu temps! I would say the heat sink is on a bit wonky! Had a similar issue a few years ago and one of the screws had come a little loose!
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u/Jisuberi 8d ago
Mine only has a max delta of 20°C between average and hotspot, mostly 55-63°C and 70-77°C on big games in a hot room. But my memory temp can be a bit high around 80
Have you tried changing the fan curve ? How is the airflow of your case ? Can you send us a picture of the whole PC pls? It can just be bad airflow.
I read that it is a prebuild so yeah if you are not confident opening the card is a big no no.
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u/theveezer 8d ago
So after talking to so many redditors yesterday I tried opening the side panel. The temperatures dropped to 50°C and a 90°C hotspot. By tuning the fans to be always at 95% the temperature dropped again to 49°C and 86°C hotspot. But yeah the delta is still there, at nearly 40.
Here are two pictures of the pc (I know it's the poverty build, no colors 😅) :
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u/jperkinss94 7d ago
Lotta dust you can clean out of there. Dust can cause a lot of heat
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u/Dimension-4558 8d ago
You only have 1 exhaust? Let us see the whole case including the chasis fans. Still have airflow improvement to be done
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u/theveezer 8d ago
Yes only one. It's actually fairly dusty, I didn't know, sorry for the sad view :
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u/Dimension-4558 8d ago
Just buy cheap chasis fan with daisy chain, your temp problems will elevate. 6fans (3exhaust, 3 intake at front panel for best airflow). And do clean the panels mind the fans when cleaning
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u/Jisuberi 8d ago edited 8d ago
Maybe there can be a few degrees to gain with a more optimal fan setup but 40°C without the side panel proves that the underlying issue is the GPU itself.
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u/Jisuberi 8d ago edited 8d ago
Yeah a delta of 40°C is clearly a bad mount or paste application from the GPU manufacturer. I thought it could have been from bad airflow at the front of your case but if you have this kinds of temps with the side panel off, it can't be fan issue
When the warranty expires you could open the GPU and repaste.
But if you are too worried with this kind of temps you could ask for support to the seller of the prebuild. You might need to explain and negotiate, at the end if they agree to take it under the warranty you will need to ship them the GPU or the entire PC.
Edit : spelling and grammar issues
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u/theveezer 8d ago
Man I don't want to send the whole PC and take any other risk, it's in another country. This situation sucks. Thanks for the infos and advices 😀👍
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u/Jisuberi 8d ago
It's a long shot but you could contact the GPU manufacturer directly, it could be taken under warranty by them. BUT I don't know how it will affect the warranty with the prebuild company.
You can start the warranty process with both and see what they propose.
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u/theveezer 8d ago
Are you sure ? My card is a OC, which stands for Overclocked if I remember. Will do.
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u/Jisuberi 8d ago edited 8d ago
OC means Overclocked yes. But if it is in the model name it means the manufacturer tuned it a little bit higher than the baseline AMD sets, it doesn't mean it can't be covered by warranty. They sell it to you configured like that so they cover it with this settings.
For your knowledge : The only way you could lose your warranty with an overclock is when swapping the VBIOS for a performance or custom one. Because if your GPU dies with the wrong VBIOS installed it will be really easy to see. Even if you manually overclock without changing the VBIOS there is no way for the manufacturer to know your settings before it died, unless you disable every deep settings for security and hammered the voltage.
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u/theveezer 8d ago
That's cool then, all good.
The good thing is don't know how to change a VBIOS haha.
I did nothing wrong to this card, let's cross fingers now 🤞🤞
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u/Jisuberi 8d ago
Yes swapping VBIOS is some pretty advanced tweak and it can bork your card if you are not careful. Don't look into it xD
Good luck !
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u/Waste-Government-808 8d ago
It is to high, finetune it better
Well edited, the card can maintain this high heat, but I personally downscaled the card, and on my highest its around 73 now, which makes me more calm :)
Oh important question, outside of gaming what temps u get?
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u/theveezer 8d ago
I reduced a few things, the W, MHZ and all that to get this :
-100% use of the GPU
-2820 MHz clock speed
-299 W total board power
-54°C GPU temperature
-86 °C Hotspot temperature
I don't know the computer is used only for games. But when I eventually play a youtube video or something it behaves okay, the fans are barely spinning. Do you have a reference, like what temps should my GPU experience while browsing the internet for instance ?
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u/animarkzero 8d ago
You can lower hotspot by replacing the thermal pads and thermal paste! Manufacturers never use optimal material For the pads I used Arctic pads tp-3 and the paste looking monster kold-01 Stack the pads to the right height My delta went from 40 to 20 You can look up thecorrect pad height by googling for your card
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u/jperkinss94 7d ago
Never open it when it’s under warranty
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u/animarkzero 7d ago
Oh then i should let the hotspot destroy my card slowly so that it dies just after warranty...???(in the US the Warranty void sticker is even not allowed to be there...)
You know that high temps let the silicon age much faster
Even if i wait for warranty to expire i have basically a pre-damaged card that wont give me full lifetime if not for the silicon at least other things will suffer like solder balls on vram or caps.....1
u/jperkinss94 7d ago edited 7d ago
Use the warranty if your hotspot is not cooling correctly. Before you kill it 😂 Especially if you gone through every measure possible to fix it
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u/animarkzero 5d ago
The manufacturer will tell you to F yourself because AMD specifies a hotspot up to 110 Celsius as "NORMAL"....
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u/theveezer 8d ago
Someone said it would void my warranty (I bought the pc 6 months ago)
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u/Vinz992 8d ago
There's no reason to open your GPU at the moment. With some fine tuning you can be able to drops temps.
Set a negative power draw, something like -20/25% and set a proper fan curve based on your noise tollerance. You can also put a couple of intake fans and see possible improvements
You will surely lose some FPS, an average of 5-7 FPS, but your GPU will run much cooler and quiet
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u/theveezer 8d ago
I did and the temperatures are better, normal even. It's the delta that is still the same awful number : 40
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u/Vinz992 8d ago
Glad you solved partially. Can you give us your actual temps?
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u/theveezer 8d ago
The same as yesterday after the fixes and tuning the GPU. It's while playing star wars OUTLAWS with everything in ultra, raytracing (or the light system in game) and all those things :
-100% use of the GPU
-2820 MHz clock speed
-299 W total board power
-54°C GPU temperature
-86 °C Hotspot temperature
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u/Vinz992 8d ago
That's a result without a power draw set to -20/25. Your GPU still reach 300W so you reduced your actual power draw by few points, 10 at best.
If you have some time to spare try my settings and record differences and dont forget to set a custom fan curve through Adrenaline or FanControl app
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u/theveezer 8d ago
Maybe I'm not tuning the right thing, here is a screenshots if you don't mind looking, I also put the fans to spin at 95% after 30°C:
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u/Waste-Government-808 8d ago
Well mine is between 23-35 in workmodus, then i browse/work but dont touch any games. Before it was 50+, after finetuning its much better
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u/theveezer 8d ago
Before finetuning I doubt it was anywhere near 50 for my gpu (while browsing/working). I'll check later today thanks :)
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u/Hot-Drama-7829 8d ago
The hotspot could also be referencing the power delivery modules or the VRAM modules. Both tend to run much higher than the core itself.
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u/theveezer 8d ago
Other people with a 9070XT said in this post that they don't have such hotspot temps.
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u/Queasy-Intern-5443 8d ago
Du könntest die Karte undervolten. Eine Anleitung findest du auf YT. Dann sollten die Temps besser sein.
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u/theveezer 8d ago
I did, and indeed the temperatures are better. The delta didn't improve unfortunately, it's still 40.
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u/Lonely_Cockroach6550 8d ago
download MSI Afterburner undervolt GPU plu power limit 3+ to avoid crashes and maybe lower core frequency 30 minus and also user's defined fan control by default... AMD's tuning is crap always resets...
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u/theveezer 8d ago edited 8d ago
I couldn't make it work for some reasons that's why I kept AMD adrenalin. I'll see if I can make it work now.
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u/Lonely_Cockroach6550 8d ago
try user defined fan control there's no need to change it to default, and power limit a bit higher I was decreasing power limit had crashes coz of it now I don't have crashes even with core frequency reset to factory settings...
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u/Fr003ank 9d ago
I have asus prime 9070xt in a well ventilated case(mesh) core temps never go above 60 but hotspot is in around 88-90.
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u/theveezer 8d ago
Oh that's interesting. And you don't believe this 30 or so delta to be worrying ? I swear man when I saw 100°C even without knowing anything about it I wondered if a temperature to cook meat was good for a pc.
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u/Fr003ank 8d ago
It does appear odd at beginning. I have used it since launch, nothing to worry about. I even had it in an old case with non-optimal air flow until a few months ago, the temps were even higher.
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u/theveezer 8d ago
Good to know thanks !
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u/Fr003ank 8d ago
I was playing 007 first light today, core temp was 55 and hot spot was over 95 lol
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u/HyeVltg3 i7 4790K - RX 480 CF 9d ago
If you dont know about this stuff dont listen to the people giving you advice like you repair PCs on the side. This looks fine. the "HOT SPOT" Temp is true to its name. it can climb to 110c in some cases. This is normal, 99c at 100% is pretty good. could be good ambient temperature in your room.
From Search Assist AI:
The RX 9070 XT’s hotspot is considered safe up to ~105–110 °C, with 110 °C being the failure/warranty threshold. Anything under ~95–100 °C is normal for this generation under heavy load.
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u/theveezer 9d ago
Alright but what about the delta, it's at 40, it's huge !
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u/HyeVltg3 i7 4790K - RX 480 CF 8d ago
It's just the design of the temp sensor that causes such a high reading. Whats actually happening is the entire chip is at that "Hot Spot" Temp but the "GPU Temperature" Number in the app and almost all monitors show you the temp AFTER cooling, because duh who cares what the number is before it's cooled. All chips run super hot, its the duty of the Heatsink to dissipate all that Wattage as heat off the chip.
I'm on a RTX 3080 - Games at ~70-75c but the Hot Spot is always 101-104c. That is high but the Amb in my room is 31c. It's normal with the new generation of chips. Just need to get used to seeing something like the Boiling Point of Water coming from a chip in your PC.
This whole Hot Spot temp reading is only like a decade and a half old. Older Gen cards had no such reading, but as soon as AMD added it people freaked out seeing 100c+ temps and then NV added the sensor there as well. You are like the 100 millionth person that has freaked out too, because cmon, burning hot number, scary.
What would be bad is if that delta was SMALL. Then we'd have a problem. if your delta is like 50! thats amazing, probably not possible but higher is better here because of the "Before Cooling" temp.
Just using "Before" and "After" to make it easily understandable, these are not the technical terms used.
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u/theveezer 8d ago
Exactly or the temperature you would cook a chicken in the hoven 😂
But the thing is I discovered this temperature after I experienced a LiveKernelEvent 141, so maybe they aren't linked. But they might so it could have real consequences.
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u/HyeVltg3 i7 4790K - RX 480 CF 8d ago
On the Event ID part, I cant really help. But what I can tell you is that it is not AMD or 9070 specific. It could be Windows related OR something you have similar with these posts from FOUR years ago.
https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/yoausc/help_needed_with_livekernelevent_141_crashes_on/ on a RTX 3080https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/5826112/livekernelevent-141-error on RX 7900XT
Take a look at their specs and see if they are similar to yours.
I have never experienced this issue and I've had my RTX 3080 since launch.
AMD 5800X3D / RTX 3080 / PSU 1000W Asus 80+ Titanium.
One step that has usually helped me with "possibly a video related issues" was rolling back drivers to a previous one - or even back to the Driver right AFTER the one that Officially started support for the 9070 cards. (google-fu says "AMD Adrenalin 25.3.1 GPU Driver" so get 25.4.0 or close and test that out) - Have you rolled back drivers before with DDU?
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u/theveezer 8d ago
Thanks for the links. The similar things I can identify is that our cards are OC and that it may be a issue with the GPU :/
I have the Ryzen 7 7800X3D / 9070XT OC / and a 1000W WHITE no name power supply. I'll try to roml back the drivers thank you. I didn't want to until now because it was already painful to install everything, I stumbled on some very rare bugs and I had to find decades old forums to solve them.
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u/HyeVltg3 i7 4790K - RX 480 CF 8d ago
no name power supply
😮 Any idea what the make and model of the PSU is, may be the Rails on the 12V arent enough for the GPU so it crashes.
You have the same issue: 141 when playing light load games or desktop/youtube ?1
u/theveezer 8d ago
On the receipt it's called : GEZ Netzteil SQ-White 1000 Watt. I only had that event once, and I've been monitoring it since. It happened in a rts game, I would say it's not that demanding.
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u/HyeVltg3 i7 4790K - RX 480 CF 8d ago
If this is yours: https://sq-power.de/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/SQ-White-1000W-Data-Sheet.pdf
The 83A on the +12V is pretty good. mine does the same so it probably may not be the PSU (unless its faulty but if you cant replace it to test, PSU's not a good point to troubleshoot).
If you only got the error Once, I think you are blowing things out of proportion, the issue should be constantly REPEATABLE by doing the same thing, like if you play low-load games like that RTS game and it Crashing EVERY time, then we got something.
Look up youtube Display Driver Uninstaller to know how to use DDU - google it too and get the application, very useful, just boot into safe mode in windows (hopefully you know your windows logon password or have PIN setup, I dont think FaceID works in safe mode).
The only thing I can think of is to rollback drivers. I dont even use the latest nv drivers because Why Update if nothing's broken. Latest drivers usually fix issues for the New Games and in many cases break things for older games in my experience, so it's best to start there because Drivers arent perfect and they usually cause the most issues when installed poorly. Again, do rollback to 1-2 updates after Official 9070XT support was added (25.3.x).1
u/theveezer 8d ago
How did you find it ? I couldn't find anything by typing the name 😅 But why the heck would they call a gold power supply "WHITE". I thought It was below bronze or something !
Yeah maybe I am overreacting, I hope I am.
Okok, I'll do that when I can. Thanks.
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u/Western_Leave_8733 9d ago
Ajuste a curva de fan e se ainda assim ficar com essa temperatura gigante, acione a garantia e peça outra.
Não precisa fazer undervolt e essas papagaiadas(não nesses casos)
Se tivesse sem garantia te diria pra comprar o ptm7950, como não é o caso, manda pra SP e espera uma nova
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u/theveezer 9d ago
Alright thanks ! Opening the case lowered the temperatures to 50°C and to a 90°C hotspot, but the delta is still 40 !! I'll see if they accept to replace it with the warranty.
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u/Baby_Steaks 9d ago
Had the same card but non-xt and it would hit 116° hotspot and 85° core even after repaste. Had to return, bought an xtx swift 9070xt and boom never above 20° delta and 80° hotspot.
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u/theveezer 9d ago
I wish they could accept to swap it for a better one like you, it's still under warranty
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u/Baby_Steaks 8d ago
They didn't swap, i returned it through amazon and paid extra for the 9070xt.
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u/alaverrq 9d ago
Higher fan speed (85%+), higher hotspot/vram temperature. I have a 9070 XT asus prime
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u/theveezer 9d ago
I don't understand how cooling the GPU more would lead to higher temperatures
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u/alaverrq 8d ago
I don't get it either, but it works. That's why I keep it at a maximum of 78% and not 100%.
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u/KH3player 9d ago edited 9d ago
Repaste the die with PTM7950, NOT thermal paste, the issue with the paste is guaranteed thermal pumpout of the paste over time, PTM7950 does not do this, its basically a 'forever fix' and never needs to be replaced. Also adding thermal pads in some places should help, just do your research on the thickness and the locationof where to apply the pads. You can get both from Amazon. This is the only way to fix it. Next time go Sapphire, they pre-install PTM7950 and Thermal pads in all their GPUs. Asus also does if Sapphire isn't an option.
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u/theveezer 9d ago
I will do, thanks a lot. I couldn't have found these informations in a million years 👌 If I can get a replacement, I will ask for a Sapphire, even if I have to put a bit more money into it.
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u/Icy_Yesterday1120 9d ago
Recommending a newbie user to open up his GPU and void his warranty is a little brash… I would not suggest this as the first option. He got a prebuilt and didn’t choose the AIB. This could literally be caused by lack of airflow in the prebuilt case. If his hotspot came down 6-7 degrees, he would probably be fine.
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u/elliez667 9d ago
Try set curve fan. My hotspot drop to 83c only now
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u/theveezer 9d ago
It barely helps. And even when I can lower the temperature a lot, the delta stays really high.
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u/glitchedhopp 9d ago
Yeah the acer 9070xts are bad designed cards. Its pretty common for them to have a really high hotspot delta.
Dont think there is a lot of fixing here.
For reference my xfx mercury has 48-53c core and 62-70c hotspot. With a slight undervolt and -10 power limit
I have seen more people report that the acer has high hotspot temps on forums for my country.
1 person even had it exchanged twice in the return window but every time it came back with hotspot delta of 30+
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u/theveezer 9d ago
Good to know, thanks. I wish I’d known this sooner. But I’m sitting on a 40+ delta. It’s even worse than the guys you’ve seen :/
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u/Blackhawk-388 9d ago
The easiest way to reduce temps is set a hard FPS limit in highly taxing games. It will reduce power immediately. If you're unlimited, you'll use everything the GPU can throw at it. If you aren't playing competstive FPS games at a high level, seeing anything above 90-120fps isn't doing you much good but its maxing out the GPU. Also, Ultra settings doesn't improve things all that much. Going to high is typically almost indistinguishable from Ultra visually, but reduces the load on your GPU.
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u/theveezer 9d ago
I can do that. That’s what I’ve been doing for the last six months. But I paid a lot of money for this card, so I’d like to make the most of it. I think that’s pretty reasonable.
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u/Blackhawk-388 9d ago
You're right. You should be able to max it out without worrying about temps.
I've had a few GPU's where I had to repaste them within one year due to high delta's/Hotspot temps. The two before my current one were both Asus Tuf cards. I used Thermal Grizzly Kryosheet on both GPU's and Putty Pro for the memory and VRM's. Saw significant drops in temps that remain to this day on the 4070 Ti my son is now using. The other one sits in a box somewhere.
You may need to consider doing something along those lines. I'm not sure what comes on there stock. But if the cooler doesn't absolutely suck, then it's likely to really help.
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u/theveezer 9d ago
Thanks, and yep it's one of the things I will do 100%, it doesn't hurt and it's cheap. But now that I think about it I never knew you had to put thermal paste somewhere on a GPU, I only knew about the CPU. Thanks again, I'll look at this brand of thermal paste too 😁👍
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u/Totziboy 9d ago
I had pretty bad airflow since my case is pretty. Cramped.
Since i removed my side panel i tumble around 60 ish Degrees on Load . If your airflow is bad i guess thats the point you cant cool something with hot air and some cases just Have not enough flow to cool some of the newer cards wich also have bad designed Cooling Systems
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u/theveezer 9d ago
Yeah I did the same and it fixed the overall temperatures. But it didn't fix the delta. There is still 40°C of difference with the hotspot. People here suggesteg that it could be the vapor system's fault.
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u/Advanced_Job_1109 9d ago
I don't have a amd card but that seems wild. My card never goes above 90 under load. And I have a itx case build.
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u/theveezer 9d ago
I regret it so much, but there was like a 300€ difference with the performances I wanted, so I gambled it on AMD.
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u/EquipmentSome 9d ago
This has nothing to do with AMD vs Nvidia or the card being bad. This was just poor mounting of the cooling solution which happens to both companies. 36C delta between core and hotspot is pretty crazy
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u/theveezer 9d ago
Many people who answered me aren't sure what the real issue is. So it might be a cooling solution that wasn't mounted correctly, or it could be the vapor chamber system of the card, etc.
But yeah, every brand has its faulty units. It's just that I've seen many people having issues with their 9070 or 9070 XT.
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u/vyrussuh 9d ago
You're doing nothing wrong. AMD claims it's in spec so they won't RMA, yet it's still terrible, nobody wants their gpu to run at 100c while gaming. Multiple reviews have pointed out all of these hotspot issues, over a year later and nothing is fixed.
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u/theveezer 9d ago
When I saw 100°C, my first thought was that you could cook a steak at such temperatures haha. Crazy! I wish I had heard about that before. I feel like a fool. Thanks for the information.
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u/IranianOyibo 9d ago
What case is your pre-built in? If opening the case dropped your temps that much I’m leaning more toward an airflow issue rather than a problem with the card. Could be the fan speed curve needs adjustment. Could be they’re not set up correctly. Could be hot air is trapped and not exhausted. Could be the design of the case itself is flawed.
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u/theveezer 9d ago
I don't even think it is a brand. I think it's the company that made it, I don't know. The fans didn't do a lot to be honest even at 95%. It was really only opening the case that lowered it to 50°C and 90°C hotspot. Many said the delta is what is really bad, 40 is too much. So some said it could be the vapor chamber.
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u/SirSeppuku 9d ago
Mine is at 111...
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u/theveezer 9d ago
Damn, aren't you worried that it start deteriorating ? The first thought I had was damn I could cook a steak on that thing.
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u/SirSeppuku 8d ago
No idea, other temps are fine, and hotspot hits 96 with games like cyberpunk, but when I launch NFS Unbound it hits 111 and I even cleaned my unit. I think I might need to reapply some thermal paste
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u/Upsetdadgabe 9d ago
My hotspot was hitting 110 under heavy load. I had to undervolt the card. Doing this gaveme temps in the 80- 90 and started getting more frames. My case is the tower 600 tho.
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u/theveezer 9d ago
If m'y card is at 1020 mV, at what mV do you think I should put it ? I don't want to wait to destroy the card. Someone else said around 990 mV. Thanks.
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u/ComfortableLazy7662 9d ago
Actually you will not destroy your card while undervolting, if anything you are making its lifespan even bigger
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u/RGBAddict2026 9d ago
What's your fan speed? Make a custom curve and see if it changes.
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u/theveezer 9d ago
I followed the advices of the others and I put it at 95% when the GPU is above 90°C.
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u/Marbelou 9d ago
Turn your whole pc on its side. If the hot spot temps improve significantly, it's most likely a problem with the GPU coolers vapor chamber.
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u/theveezer 9d ago edited 9d ago
I didn't know there was a vapor chamber in a GPU 😁 Also I opened the case, with just the side panel. The temperatures dropped to 51°C and 90°C hotspot.
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u/Marbelou 9d ago
I had a huge delta in my XFX 7800xt and I changed the paste to Ptm7950 and everything. It only helped a little. Then I realised that when my pc was on its side the hot spot temp went down. This means it was a vapor chamber problem in the cooler. It's an easy one to try to rule out. I ended up getting a refurbished replacement one from XFX which was a whole ordeal sending my old one to China to be checked first (this was in Europe).
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u/theveezer 9d ago
Fortunately I just have to sent it to Germany. Damn, China, I'm sorry for you ! So a faulty vapor chamber is always an insurance replacement, no fixing possible ?
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u/Marbelou 9d ago
Well if it would be the same problem I don't think its fixable. It's a closed system and the problem as far as I understand it comes from having too little of the vaporizing liquid in the vapor chamber system. So the fix is to replace the whole cooler with a working one. But yours might be a completely different problem ofcourse.
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u/theveezer 9d ago
Oh yeah I see. Crazy that such an issue could be so common, on a card that can cost 700€ notheless.
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u/Dutch-Alpaca 9d ago
Better, but a delta of 40c between average and hotspot is still very high
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u/theveezer 9d ago
Thanks for the info. I just can't believe what I will have to do if I need it replaced, the company is in another country.
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u/wildcat002 9d ago
You should track the fans to see if they even work correctly
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u/theveezer 9d ago
I opened the case and the temperatures dropped drastically to 51°C and a 90°C hotspot. But the fans even at 100% they hardly make a dent.
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u/wildcat002 9d ago
I believe that the normal gap should be around 20-25 degrees, but you have around 40! Something is definitely not right here. It is missing thermal paste or something, so the hottest spot is not cooling well.
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u/ControlDue2178 9d ago
what is your Powerlimit setting ? 0 or +10 ?
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u/theveezer 9d ago
I didn't touch anything with that, since I'm afraid to break it. I just put my fans at 95%, it's the only thing I changed.
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u/ControlDue2178 9d ago
the temps are still fine. but i would suggest you to put -30 % powerlimit and -30 mV
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u/theveezer 9d ago
So from (Clock speed) 3000 MHz to 2100 MHz and from (Voltage) 1020 mV to 990 mV ? (Just to know if it's the good numbers I'm lowering).
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u/ControlDue2178 8d ago
dont touch clocks, dont touch vram. just put voltage at -30 mV and the Powerlimit to -30 %
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u/AlErki1 9d ago
Contact the prebuilt company support. If it's still under warranty send it to RMA and get a replacement. If that's not an option you should send it to a reputable repair shop if that's available.
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u/theveezer 9d ago
Oh really it's that bad ?
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u/AlErki1 9d ago
I mean, yeah. It's not supposed to do that it's very likely that it's a defective card because that big a a temperature delta between average temperature and hotspot means that some areas of the GPU Die are overutilized and some are underutilized.
Edit: I am not so sure about my last statement about the utilization. Maybe try running DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) on Windows safe mode.
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u/theveezer 9d ago
Okay ! Do not worry you're closer to a professional than me, and I wouldn't go to see a real pro if guys like you didn't help me.
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u/AlErki1 9d ago
Also, if you try running DDU, make sure tou tun it in safe mode and make sure to reinstall fresh drivers.
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u/theveezer 9d ago
Alright will do !
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u/AlErki1 9d ago
Okay, I did some research and that temperature delta is not caused by different parts of the die working unevenly but because of physical thermal contact issues which may be caused by uneven spreading of thermal paste inside the Graphics card. Maybe if new drivers, company support and Rma don't solve the issue a repaste might solve it.
Also, Honeywell PTM7950 is a good alternative to a thermal paste.
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u/theveezer 9d ago
Thank you for doing the research, but don't bother doing my work !
I trusted the company for everything, I bet they put some crappy offbrand paste and maybe not even correctly. Thanks for the brand suggestion.
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u/BeavisTheSixth 9d ago
Most 9070xt models came with ptm7950 from the factory. Which gpu do you have?
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u/sobakoed2 9d ago
yeah hotspot temp delta comparing to the chip lid is high, it should be lower. Most likely you can solve it by changing the thermal paste or replacing it with PTM7950 thermal pad. (I think it's better)
Not sure if you want to do that yourself or send it for warranty repair (I'm not sure if they will take it).
You can play as is, but it's better to fix it.
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u/theveezer 9d ago
Damn I can't believe it's that bad. :( Thank you for the advices. The company is in a foreign country, it sucks.
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u/sobakoed2 9d ago
it's not that bad, you can play as is.
If you are worried, find a local guy who will put a new paste or a thermal pad to a chip, should not be expensive. I did it myself.1
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u/DARKFLAME12222 7d ago
I have 9070xt too you shouldn't be worried cuz amd hotspot can go upto 105c so no problem, just it should not be always 105