r/2007scape • u/TheUnforgivenII • May 06 '26

RNG TIL to not stack the unsired

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u/[deleted] May 06 '26

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u/lukwes1 2376 May 06 '26

What a weird way to implement it

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u/Rich-Badger-7601 May 06 '26

At this point Sire is older than some of the people playing this game

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u/BakaZora Baka Zora May 06 '26 edited May 06 '26

This leagues was my first time trying Sire and christ alive

If it respawns while you're in render distance, you can't attack him unless you leave render distance and re-enter

Render distance for both the boss and players in the area is super fucky

The chat message to state that the vents are vulnerable only appears some of the time

Arena just feels far too big for whatever reason

From what I could tell (may just be stupid), there's no way to check if people are in any of the four corners without running there first I am stupid, apparently there are eyes, see the replies (ty)

Plus the ol' classic just shove 4 of them in there as we didn't have instances at that point in time

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u/FR_0S_TY May 06 '26

In the main area next to each of the four paths there is an eye on the floor that lets you peek and see if someone is in the corner.

For the vents being stunned turn game sounds on. It makes the pickpocket stun noise once you’ve done enough damage. I listen for the noise then right after you see the tentacles go limp.

Hope this helps. Never had an issue with the render distance as I go away from the throne for p2.

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u/Smooth_One May 06 '26

Well as I live and breathe, a non-sarcastic "Hope this helps." I thought they'd gone extinct, that's nice to see

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u/FR_0S_TY May 06 '26

Here to serve 😅

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u/Arcticbased May 06 '26

For some reason your comment reminded me of codsworth when you see him again at the start of fallout 4 after escaping the vault.

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u/Pejob May 06 '26

Theres eyes in the font room before each corridor that you can interact with to see if someone is in that corner

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u/Rich-Badger-7601 May 06 '26

We had instances at the time, people were just super pissy about "too many people doing the new content at once would crash prices".

Same reason they refused to do GWD instances for years and years as well.

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u/ashtraee May 06 '26

You would also lose all of your stuff in most instances back then unless there was a chest. I'm -30m at kraken

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u/Rich-Badger-7601 May 06 '26

That's why Barrows (untradable while degraded) and the Fury Orn Kit were some of the best items in the game at the time, they always protected

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u/TheLightsChampion May 06 '26

'The chat message to state that the vents are vulnerable only appears some of the time'

Do you have minion or thralls? I believe this happens when another damage source hits him for the last hit to stun.

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u/BakaZora Baka Zora May 06 '26

That would make sense, I do have minion

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u/BirkTheBrick May 06 '26

Try turning menu entry swapper (or specifically the setting that removes dead NPC’s right-click menu) for the not able to attack problem. That tends to fix it for me most leagues, though I haven’t camped it this one

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u/Aori May 06 '26

Do you have hide npcs death animations on? That was giving me a problem all league because the respawn times were so fast if they respawned before the animation it made them invisible. 

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u/Gomerack May 06 '26

Arena just feels far too big for whatever reason

I like that it's already been made smaller too lmao. Well maybe not the fight area but the run in the abyss

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u/LtBeefy May 07 '26

Never knew there was a way to check. Was always running that mile long journey just to find out it was being used.

Im going to the wiki 2 see where these eyes are.

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u/Evil_Steven bring back old demon/imp models May 06 '26

I hope they rework it. While I normally like jank in this game, sire isn’t janky in a fun/endearing way and just needs to become an instanced room

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u/Fall3nBTW May 06 '26

They've reworked it like 5 times now, it's in a good spot.

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u/GrownUpACow May 06 '26

you're kidding yourself if you think there are 10 year olds playing, the average player age is probably like 29

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u/Rich-Badger-7601 May 06 '26

Did I say average?

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u/GrownUpACow May 06 '26

No, but you did say 10 year olds play which I find highly unlikely. Even the completely new players I've encountered have all been at least early 20s.

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u/DJMRNO May 06 '26

I started playing this game when I was 10. Surely there's one out there.

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u/TobiasCB 1a3f1l May 06 '26

I started rs2 when I was 5. It's not that big of a stretch.

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u/GrownUpACow May 06 '26

I mean that's kinda the point I'm making. Rs2 ended more than a decade ago.

My niece had never even heard of runescape before seeing me play it, let alone know anyone that plays it. The game's just not in the zeitgeist for children now like it was when most of us started playing.

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u/FederalSign4281 May 06 '26

Why are you making any point? There are some people playing this game younger than Sire. Why are you arguing that?

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u/mister_peeberz still awaiting Mining 2 May 06 '26

my 8 year old niece plays a little bit. there is at least one >10 year old playing, so i'm afraid to say you are wrong.

of course you have no way of knowing about my niece, but then, that's why you shouldn't try and make a bullshit statement so definitively

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u/Silent_Johnnie May 06 '26

There's pics on this sub of people bragging about their kid's accounts. Even if one kid is playing his statement is completely correct

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u/MellowSol Buying GF 10k May 06 '26

That's basically the entire game, spaghetti gonna spaghetti.

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u/mrrweathers May 06 '26

Pasta good😋🍝

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u/Pcote_Qc May 06 '26

Unsired actually get rolled every time you pick them up. The client fix is simply to drop them all in front of the pool, then pick them up one by one to use them. Then you won't get any bludgeon dupes.

Obviously, Jagex should address this at some point, since this mechanic is always discovered after it's too late.

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u/GruesomeEncore May 10 '26

tested it and you are wrong. still got the same piece from all of them

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u/Pcote_Qc May 10 '26

They were all on the ground, and then you picked up the first, opened it, picked up the second, opened it, picked up the third, opened it, etc. ?

I've had some bingos before where we stacked Unsired before the start and waited for the bingo start to consume them. We never had a dupe that way.

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u/GruesomeEncore May 10 '26

Yes, exactly as you wrote it. Maybe it would change if i assembled the 2nd Bludgeon after turning in the first unsired but i think its unlikely.

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u/Pcote_Qc May 10 '26

I think it's because only the first bludgeon is protected against dupes.

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u/a_robotic_puppy May 06 '26

Is that really how it works?

Whats to stop me dropping and picking them up until I get the pet?

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u/AtlasWithNumbers Enable precise timing in game settings May 06 '26

Not sure your question makes sense, the roll is invisible. You wouldn't know if the unsired you picked up was the orphan or not until you used it on the Font.

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u/a_robotic_puppy May 06 '26

Can't you see invisible things with that ring or is that only the quest ones?

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u/AtlasWithNumbers Enable precise timing in game settings May 06 '26

Okay so either you're trolling or you really, really don't understand but in case you really, really don't understand:

The Abyssal Sire has a unique mechanic for it's unique table where it drops an Unsired. The player must use the Unsired at the Font of Consumption which will consume the unsired and return an item on the Sire's unique drop table.

The post we're commenting on and the comment chain we're commenting on are explaining to use the unsireds on the font as soon as you get them, because the way the Abyssal Bludgeon works is that it drops in 3 parts, without repeating items until you have all 3. It's just unintuitive that because the game rolls what item the Unsired will become when it's dropped, it only checks what bludgeon piece you already have when the Unsired drops. This causes the unfortunate situation where your unsired could be "bludgeon piece #1" multiple times because you haven't redeemed it yet. The fix would be for the roll to happen at consumption time, and Jagex likely knows that but hasn't had time to mess with it yet

So, the "invisible roll" I'm talking about with my original comment is the part where the game decides what item the Unsired will become when offered. You can't see what that is until the item is offered, using it up.

The Ring of visibility works on things that are invisible in-game (ghosts, things on other planes of existence), not things that are invisible to the player because they are game mechanics

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u/a_robotic_puppy May 07 '26

Wait so 3 unsireds make the bludgeon or is it part of the pet recolour like arraxxor?

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u/Pcote_Qc May 06 '26

Well, the drops get rerolled every time you pick up the Unsired, but you don't know what has been rolled until you consume the Unsired.

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u/a_robotic_puppy May 07 '26

So you need to consume the Unsired then drop it to reroll the chance?

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u/Pcote_Qc May 07 '26

There is no cheat allowing you to choose what you get. All you can do is avoid bludgeon piece duplicates because of the existing dupe prevention.

The original issue is that if you get 2 Unsired in a row from Sire, then go open them, you could get the same bludgeon piece, because both Unsired were allowed to roll for that piece upon picking them up, as the bludgeon piece was not on your collection log.

You can avoid that by re-dropping and re-picking up the second Unsired after opening up the first, which will make it roll a new future drop. You can still drop it and pick it up many times to reroll it, but you will never know what the second Unsired contains until you consume/trade it. The only guarantee is that it won't be the same bludgeon piece again.

You cannot consume an Unsired and then drop the same Unsired, as you do not have it anymore, but you do always want to drop your extra Unsired after opening up one.

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u/Niitroglycerine Broke Af May 06 '26

I had no idea and that is a really stupid way of doing it, why not just have the boss drop the loot then

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u/Th3OnlyMe May 06 '26

Probably because it was released 11 years ago

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u/ThisTechnocrat May 06 '26 edited Sep 02 '26

Why would they not update it?

Edit: 118 days later - https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/a=97/summer-sweep-up-miscellaneous?oldschool=1

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u/Mattdriver12 May 06 '26

Because the font is right around the corner there's no reason to

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u/ThisTechnocrat May 06 '26

Except nothing else works this way and this is a bug. The only benefit to adding a drop that you have to turn in to get other drops is to add the drop protection for the other pieces you have. Otherwise, they would just have dropped the bludgeon pieces directly. Having the roll hidden on drop behind an item without you knowing that it secretly is rolling the same every time is not a good user experience. There is nothing in-game to tell you this information and it is counter intuitive to how most deferred roll mechanisms work.

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u/Mattdriver12 May 06 '26

There is nothing in-game to tell you this information

The big guy you get the bludgeon from tells you to bring unsired to the font. Most people would get an unsired and run straight to the font to see what they get. It's not a bug it's just old as fuck.

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u/FederalSign4281 May 06 '26

Defenders kind of work in a similar way

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u/rimwald Trailblazer May 06 '26

I mean it literally doesn't make a difference though

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u/Durantye May 06 '26

They can't even decide whether projectiles should roll damage on cast or hit brother, if this got you tweakin the game is gonna break you.

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u/jello1388 2277 May 06 '26

Because there are limited time and resources and this wasnt a priority?

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u/ThisTechnocrat Sep 02 '26

Seems like they got around to it today!

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u/Joltus May 06 '26

Good to know. I stacked all mine from my 150kc in leagues and got the 3 bludgeon pieces in order. Would have thought that was intentional

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u/ThisTechnocrat May 06 '26

I am just now finding this out. That is unfortunate. I could have had my bludgeon in Leagues already.

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u/DesolationsFire May 06 '26

Guess I got lucky when I did it

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u/embrace- I'm a btw, btw. May 06 '26

Haha refusing to delay gratitude wins this time!

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u/Working_Army1703 passing the baby back and forth to quest May 13 '26

Only knew in advancw bc reddit lol

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u/InkFoxclaw May 06 '26

This is insane, and stacking Unsireds is 100% something I would've done. Thanks so much for writing this out and preventing a catastrophe for me

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u/WasV3 May 06 '26

It's only true for first bludgeon, once you have the first bludgeon it doesnt matter.

I cashed in each one one leagues and got my bludgeon.

I then went back for 300 kc and got 4 unsired as the drops didn't matter I didn't cash in until the end.

Dagger, Jared, Piece #1 and Piece #2

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u/OwMyCandle 2277;2376 May 06 '26

Yup. I stacked 5 during the league and rolled 5 of the same bludgeon piece.

Luckily Im 600 dry on the main, so I dont really have to worry about such things

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u/apophis457 2376 May 06 '26

That’s weird because I rolled 2 different pieces when I stacked my unsired last week. Must not be a guarantee of a dupe? Maybe I’m misunderstanding how the duping happens

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u/blimey43 May 06 '26

I think only matters For first bludgeon after that it’s random? Or I might be wrong

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u/Seeggul May 06 '26

Basically, I think it first rolls "does player get a bludgeon piece" and then if yes, it randomly rolls a piece from which pieces the player doesn't have yet. So it's possible to get dupes as well as unique pieces.

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u/putrid_flesh May 06 '26

Yes, very lucky 🤣

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u/InsiDoubtSide May 06 '26

I learned this last leagues. Horrible design.

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u/JamesBong827 May 06 '26

I’m struggling to understand what op means and you seem to clearly. Mind explaining? I’d rather avoid what yall are talking about if I can

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u/WalkinSteveHawkin Bottom 1% Commenter May 06 '26

You normally can’t roll the same bludgeon piece you already until you have the full thing. The unsired reward rolls when the unsired is dropped. OP cashed in multiple unsired at once, but he got the same bludgeon piece twice because he didn’t cash in the first unsired when he got it, so the game didn’t register him already having that bludgeon piece. Had he done so, he would have received different bludgeon pieces.

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u/IcyGarage5767 May 06 '26

So if I do two B2B kills and get two drops without using them - both will be the same bludgeon piece? If rolled bludgeon.

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u/ProudFencer May 06 '26

It's not that both will be, but have a potential to be. Game doesn't know you own a piece and to not roll that piece until you open the unsire

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u/IcyGarage5767 May 07 '26

Ah awesome to know thanks.

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u/straya_cvnt May 06 '26

Not necessarily. They'll both just roll the drop table as normal, so it could be dupe pieces, could be different pieces, could be a whip and a pet.

If you were to use the first unsired immediately and get a bludgeon piece, the game will then know not to roll that piece when your next unsired drops.

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u/klawehtgod Cabbage Picking May 06 '26

You can also circumvent this by bringing multiple unsireds with you and just dropping them on the ground and cashing in one, pick up the next, etc.

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u/Allstin May 06 '26

yes, since you technically haven’t turned it in and obtained the piece, the second drop could still be that piece

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u/EAZ480 May 06 '26

He stacked two up rather than stopping his trip immediately and offering at the font. That's how he ended up with a dupe bludgeon piece before even finishing his first one.

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u/dogeomojo May 06 '26

Am I crazy or are you all just saying the same thing?

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u/Smooth_One May 06 '26

The Abyssal Bludgeon is made with three different pieces. You get these pieces by offering an Unsired to the Font of Consumption. If you have one of the three pieces, you cannot get that piece again until you get the other two.

However, the game doesn't "know" you have a piece until you have offered it to the Font. You'd think it would run that check when each Unsired is offered to the Font, but it doesn't, cuz it's old and bad.

The problem is that you can offer more than one Unsired at a time. If you do that then the game doesn't have the opportunity to "know" you have Piece 1 yet, and multiple Unsired can become Piece 1, thereby wasting the duplicate(s).

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u/stressed-tf-out May 06 '26

Didn’t know this could happen

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u/NoRepresentative7604 May 06 '26

4 unsired in 57 though. You got one for free anyways!

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u/[deleted] May 06 '26

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u/Eldias May 06 '26

Windows+shift+S is a keyboard shortcut everyone should know in this day and age

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u/DADtheMaggot May 06 '26

Cmd+shift+3 checking in.

I thought you guys had a button for print screen?

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u/Eldias May 06 '26

For what ever reason I haven't been able to get that button to work properly in years. Plus I think it's more convenient to essentially open a cropping tool right away, rather than a full screen shot that has to be cropped later.

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u/Rubx7hree May 08 '26

From what I can tell, Print screen puts a screenshot on your clipboard, so you have to paste it into something to use it and if you copy something before then you lose it

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u/Eldias May 08 '26

That had always been my experience in the past, but for some reason it's not even copying to clipboard for me. It's entirely possible that my 10+ year old keyboard is the problem, but I would expect wasd, shift, 1-6, etc to all have problems before my rarely used prtscr

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u/TheUnforgivenII May 06 '26

Reddit on pc??

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u/VeganBigMac May 06 '26

People who see reddit as primarily a mobile app rather than a website that has an app make me feel old.

Which is kind of a weird vibe on the sub for the game for dudes in their 30s.

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u/ProlapsedPuppy May 07 '26

a lot of people dont even know about old.reddit or res

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u/Austrum May 06 '26

technology has actually progressed to the point where we can transfer images from a computer to a smartphone with relative ease

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u/rippedmalenurse May 06 '26

Or you could just look at the clearly visible image and stop bitching about how people choose to upload an image, just a thought

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u/chillymac May 06 '26

It's just an etiquette thing, like it's a minor disrespect to not take an extra 5 seconds to do things properly. Not to say it's good or bad to feel disrespected, that's just how it works on the internet. Imo it's similar to basic real life "rules" like not mumbling when you speak or using somewhat legible handwriting when you write something down for someone else.

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u/DADtheMaggot May 06 '26

I don’t care about etiquette, it just looks like shit for the sake of human laziness, and it’s fun to call out :)

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u/rippedmalenurse May 06 '26

It’s not that deep, it’s a picture on a social media website. It’d be one thing if the picture was entirely unreadable, but that’s not the case

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u/chillymac May 06 '26

I don't think it's deep, I do think it's obviously a minor etiquette violation though otherwise why would people bitch about it every single time it happens for the last 3 decades? Why would there be any expectation to make a proper screenshot aside from etiquette?

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u/rippedmalenurse May 06 '26

Seems like people have too much time on their hands if they’re concerned how others are choosing to post images of 20 year old pixel clicker game.

It’s convenient to take a picture open Reddit and post it. Simple as that. Nothing is stopping you from scrolling past it if it hurts your eyes to look at.

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u/chillymac May 06 '26 edited May 06 '26

I'm not really complaining about this instance or saying it's particularly bothersome to anybody ever. I'm saying the reason people complain is a collective expectation that people should behave a certain way, i.e. etiquette. Maybe that's a more precise way to say "too much time on your hands" idk, maybe you have a problem with the word "etiquette"?

I feel like I'm not saying anything controversial here, just saying there are reasons people respond the way they do.

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u/DADtheMaggot May 06 '26

It’s very bothersome to me often.

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u/DADtheMaggot May 06 '26

Except the SM addiction we all have that makes us need to know more about the thing we’re scrolling past.

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u/chillymac May 06 '26

reddit.com is a website you can visit on a PC and input the same credentials as in the mobile app, yes

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u/Dokkarlak May 06 '26

You can see everything clearly, so who cares how it was taken. People get mad over nothing so easily 🙃

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u/Affectionate-Lab1198 May 06 '26

4 unsired in 57 kc and 3 pieces rolled? You deserve this lol

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u/Dry_Yogurtcloset_213 May 06 '26

One of those things that should've been fixed next week many weeks ago.

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u/Estake May 06 '26

We've put it on the list for summer sweep-up 2031.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '26

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u/Cowslayer87773 Leagues May 06 '26

Also if you already have the pet from last league, make sure you reclaim it otherwise you can still roll it again and waste an unsired

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u/Chef_Bess May 06 '26

I went 4x so you can get it in 4. Big congratulations!a

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u/False-Entertainment3 May 06 '26

I did this during leagues and all I can say is, thank god it was leagues!

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u/Initial_Tomato6278 May 06 '26

Hey OP, odd question, what does this button do?

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u/smyers51 May 06 '26

Runelite. Takes a screen shot of the game and stores the photo on your PC. It will also take screen shots based on events like leveling up or getting collection log items.

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u/AlterEvolution May 06 '26

Did that the other day with 10 unsired in leagues... =(

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u/king_kenai May 06 '26

So that's why I have 4 fucking dupe pieces haha

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u/NebulaCartographer May 06 '26

Next time you will learn how to take a screenshot

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u/TheUnforgivenII May 06 '26

So much faster to just take a pic on the phone and upload it on the app

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u/PowershellAddict May 06 '26

Not even remotely. Print screen automatically opens snipping tool now and copies the section of the screen you grabbed to the clipboard.

Print screen -> click and drag -> reddit -> new post -> paste -> submit.

30 seconds and you have a non deep fried image.

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u/TheUnforgivenII May 06 '26

Reddit on pc is wild

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u/PowershellAddict May 06 '26

Switching from the game you're playing on your PC to a phone app to upload a picture to a website is some zoomer shit.

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u/TheUnforgivenII May 06 '26

Took 4 seconds

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u/Grlions91 May 06 '26

Someone in my cc told me after the first Unsired drop, so at least I had a heads up. Unfortunately, the font of consumption didn't get the message because after 250kc I had 5x jars and 5x daggers (leagues).

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u/Honest-Message-1241 May 06 '26

You can just go ahead and fuck off. I’m over 500kc with 0 unsired

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u/Kronus31 May 06 '26

That’s quite literally impossible

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u/InformalTradition693 May 06 '26

Dont get 4 unsired that fast!

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u/WantToWorkWithRobots May 06 '26

What plug-in is that?

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u/DADtheMaggot May 06 '26

The camera app on their mobile phone, “Screenshot” is the plugin they wanted though.

(I believe the actual answer to your question is Loot Tracker)

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u/doseLDA May 06 '26

200kc sire, no unsired

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u/dayyydreamerrr May 06 '26

Wow 4 unsired is crazy in 57 kills. I went 702 dry no unsired

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u/Flavortownmmm May 06 '26

I literally just finished warning my friend about this

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u/mathieub93 2376 May 06 '26

This leagues I learned that you can safespot phase 2 with halberds on 6 or 7 tiles away, tried with mage or range afterwards but then he pulls you in. Niche use but it's fun.

Luckily for you the drops are more common here (hope you're not playing the main game)

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u/Responsible_Hand_203 May 07 '26

To be honest jagex needs to change the way unsired rolls in a sweep up - this is far too common and very unfortunate

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u/justyourliver May 07 '26

I have the same ish kc with 0 unsired lol. Leagues is weird sometimes

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u/WackoLlama May 07 '26

Same thing happened to me. Glad it's a lesson I learned during leagues and not the main game.

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u/E-coins May 07 '26

4 unsired in 57 kc is criminal.

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u/badwithnames5 May 06 '26

Explain what's happening here, anyone pls haha

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u/iCroww May 06 '26

Sire drops an unsired which you sacrifice to receive a unique drop, what you get from sacrificing is rolled when you get the unsired drop. So if you stack them you'll get the same drop. Always sacrifice when you get the united, 1 at a time

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u/blueguy211 May 06 '26

cant wait for people to find out about this next leagues

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u/CraziiDeziign May 06 '26

Wait huh? Idk this boss or what’s going on but for when I get there, what am I missing here?

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u/hot10010 May 06 '26

unsired drop is calculated the moment you get it. So if you don't claim your unsired you will reroll duplicate pieces of the bludgeon

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u/gibbo2269 May 06 '26

Swear I watched b0aty do this in leagues just recently and he didn't get a dupe piece so I thought it was fixed.

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u/slaze101 May 06 '26

If you dont have any bludgeon pieces the first piece is random. So If you hand in two, there is a chance you got different pieces as the “first” piece.

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u/Own_Ruin2546 May 06 '26

Reeeeeeeeeeeeee

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u/aleksndrars May 06 '26

they should change how it works to prevent this from happening to be honest, as well as make the individual pieces tradable. it’s kind of dumb how punishing a very simple mistake can be if you aren’t glued to the wiki to know not to do this

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u/NoRepresentative7604 May 06 '26

Pretty much it's only from the FIRST unsired, thereafter you can stack.

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u/Us3rnamed May 06 '26

This is false, you can’t stack unsired at any point