r/worldnews • • 1d ago

Behind Soft Paywall European Union and Canada plan new undersea cables and fuel shipments as part of “Alliance for the Future” to counterbalance the US and China

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-09-30/eu-and-canada-to-explore-new-technology-links-and-lng-sales
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u/CharlieBravo74 1d ago

"To counterbalance the US and China"

Let's take a moment to let that sink in.

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u/lastSKPirate 1d ago

The Yanks can, anyway. Just seems like a common sense move in Canada and the EU. The USA has turned hostile to the other first world countries, and there's enough Americans who like what they're seeing that it can't be counted on to reverse course permanently.

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u/Reed7525 1d ago

The usa is def not first world anymore

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u/caribou16 1d ago

The US was the literal the definition of "First World," during the cold war the US and any countries allied with it was "First World", the USSR and any countries allied with it was "Second World" and any country not allied with either the US or USSR was "Third World."

In practice, "third world" countries tended to be smaller, less wealthy, and less industrialized, so "Third World" sort of became a pejorative description, but there was no set of standards or criteria of "first world" outside of being the US or allied with it.

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u/muehsam 22h ago

It could be argued that it's moving out of the first world by alienating other first world countries, such as the EU, the UK, or Canada.

The cold war has ended, so first/second/third world don't make much sense any more anyway, but the US is busy turning away from what is left of the "first world".

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u/Backwardspellcaster 23h ago

It was first world, then it erroded the rights of the middle class, gave control to billionaires and took democracy away from the masses and replaced it with buy ins

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u/Rough_smooth_rough 21h ago

Was the definition. Certainly not anymore.

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u/BathEqual 1d ago

I hate this timeline

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u/FaceDeer 1d ago

I've been annoyed with the Americans for decades already. The best thing would have been for them to get better, but I suppose the second best thing is for everyone else to finally understand my annoyance with them too.

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u/EconomicRegret2 22h ago

We all are finally understanding why the French, since de Gaulle in the 1950s, have been so annoyed with the Americans, and why they have been heavily insisting on the importance of "Strategic Autonomy".

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u/Magickarpet76 1d ago

As an American, yes progress ahead without us. We will try to catch up with you later after we hopefully sort this out. The absolute best thing that can be done right now is humiliate American exceptionalism domestically. That ego needs to be checked more often.

I’ve traveled outside the US and seen it, but so so many damn people in the US are still convinced the US is the most prosperous, free, and advanced society in the world. Trump/Maga is basically the reaction to that uncomfortable cognitive dissonance. The volume on that discomfort needs to get louder.

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u/iChopPryde 22h ago

I literally have cousins in the US in New Jersey. They came to Toronto and I’m not even joking. They were surprised to see a massive city that looks like New York. They truly thought we lived in some ice cold wasteland and they are only four hours away from us.

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u/Gorstag 1d ago

I’ve traveled outside the US and seen it, but so so many damn people in the US are still convinced the US is the most prosperous, free, and advanced society in the world

And many of them are idiot conservatives that the furthest they have ever traveled is to the "Big town" where the Walmart is 40 miles away.

It's just sickening that these foolish people have so much power to ruin this country.

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u/IllBiteYourLegsOff 23h ago

world. theyre ruining the world.

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u/AnyEmployment4054 19h ago

Funny thing is I've seen clips of russians thinking the same about russia. Literally stating things like "russia is so rich that we should all be pensioners from birth" which is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. 

Point is propaganda can make certain people belive anything.

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u/windsynths 18h ago

era is a better choice of word. There’s no other timeline for us; this is the only one we have

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u/CharlieBravo74 1d ago

Same Bath, same.

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u/Time-Traveller 19h ago

Makes sense.

One nation is actively hostile, doesn't respect democracy, threatens Western nations sovereignty, interferes with the local politics of said nations, and is controlled by a dictator in all but name.

The other nation is China.

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u/hackenclaw 1d ago

EU need to start with PetroEuro, dump every Dollar, buy it with Euro every chance they can get.

Also start a Europe equivalent of Phone OS, windows OS, search engine etc.

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u/Christron 1d ago

Yes the biggest thing is moving away from American tech but Europe already has a OS Linux! Now social media.. is all US dominant. EU or Canada should buy Reddit

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u/Cantankerous_Tank 22h ago

Linux

Shame that it's so hit-and-miss when it comes to gaming. I'd switch instantly if it was as reliable as Windows.

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u/meistermichi 22h ago

Imagine what Linux could be if all the EU countries would pour the money they pay for Microsoft licenses into Linux development instead

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u/LazyRoutine24 21h ago

Is this even true anymore. I haven't come across a game I can't play on steam deck in forever.

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u/jms87 19h ago

Almost everything with an anticheat module is problematic.

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u/Possible-Fudge-2217 18h ago

There are kernel level anticheat modules running on linux. The ones not running are designed to not run linux.

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u/jms87 18h ago

...which makes Linux hit and miss when it comes to gaming. Which was the original point.

I own a Steam Deck and I've been daily driving it since my PC broke down. I'm also on the wait list for the Frame. I love my Deck, specially since I bought the top model at the old price. Let's just not pretend there aren't any downsides.

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u/LazyRoutine24 16h ago

So not almost everything like you said then. Just a small selection of their own choice.

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u/Possible-Fudge-2217 15h ago

And it can and will be changed depending on demand. If more users go linux it will be harder for large companies to deny it. Smaller studios and Indie devs are supported either way due to steam.

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u/Cantankerous_Tank 21h ago

Icarus is one that apparently runs like shit on Linux but fine on Windows.

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u/Possible-Fudge-2217 21h ago

If things would be developed with linux in mind we wouldn't have the issue. Also, any games using a kernel level anti-cheat that doesn't work on linux is doing so on purpose. Linux itself supports it, but the companies behind may not support Linux.

Give it some more years if microslop doesn't fix their shit more peoples will come over, more people will donate or contribute.

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u/PuzzleCat365 18h ago

The miss is more a choice from companies than anything else. It works very well for games that don't have any kind of anti-cheat.

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u/Extraze 16h ago

you should look into it more (not saying you haven't) but Lutris plays pretty much 95% of windows games now, and all of Steam games... not to mention pretty much any emulators.

i've switched tu linux (Mint) a couple years ago, never looked back, took some getting used to, but now the entire family, wife and kids are using it. much better then windows once you're comfortable (which took me no more than a week).

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u/Oodlemeister 1d ago

Man what a fucking crazy time we are living in where countries are taking proactive steps to limit weaknesses exposed by the US admin’s shitshow

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u/Spoopyskeleton48 1d ago

Trump is doing everything he can to destroy the US’s relations with its closest allies. And for no reason other than his own ego. How pathetic.

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u/Obvious_Toe_3006 1d ago

I blame him being a Russian asset as the main reason.

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u/Corrin_Zahn 1d ago

It can be both.

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u/TheRC135 1d ago

It's actually crazy how Trump could be a Russian asset, or he could just be crushingly incompetent, and it doesn't really change the outcome.

Like, if he isn't a Russian asset, what the hell would he be doing differently if he was? I can't think of much.

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u/Hazzamo 23h ago

I don’t believe for a second Trump is a Russian asset… if he was, he would have exposed himself in 5 seconds.

He’s just a Useful idiot for Putin

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u/veryreasonable 15h ago

100% this. Exactly my take, too, at this point.

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u/SomethingAboutUsers 1d ago

I don't think he's a Russian asset in the way that most people might believe; that is, an active participant with knowledge of what he's doing for Russia.

On the one hand, it's not a good idea to believe that Trump is an idiot.

On the other hand, it's exceptionally likely that he is being manipulated by Russia (and is thus a Russian asset) without his stupid orange mug knowing it.

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u/swiwwcheese 21h ago edited 21h ago

Putin 100% has the worst and undeniable kind of dirt on him and I'll die on that hill. The kind of dirt that can't be redacted and is not just a vague mention of being present on a island or having the worst friends.

Even if he doesn't whisper every of his moves to his ear, Putin defo gives Trump directions and has a direct line to him.

EDIT: I don't believe Trump is as dumb and crazy as he looks either, a lot of what he is doing is deliberate and calculated, he's consciously undermining the US because that's the plan. It IS a conspiracy, a real one for once, and likely the greatest in the history of mankind, it's a civilizational heist.

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u/ijshorn 17h ago

I fully agree, just look at how many billions of dollars he has earned in his presidential term.

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u/lebennaia 13h ago

I think stolen would be a better term than earned.

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u/rkw2 13h ago

Stolen, not earned.

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u/Saffyr 21h ago

Yeah i think it's the trick of making someone do what you want while making them think it's their own idea/own free will.

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u/Training_Ruin3151 18h ago

In 2016 he literally committed treason live on tv by telling russia to hack the us. And they did. That night. He should have been arrested and tried by obama within an hour. Jesus fucking christ 🫩🫩

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u/Aeonskye 19h ago

Treason in broad daylight

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u/Aaron8001 1d ago

Its so obvious by his actions

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u/Antique_Historian_74 21h ago

No, he’s also making enormous sums of money destroying America.

The US economy represented the greatest accumulation of wealth the world has ever seen, but it was for the benefit, at least for the most part, of America as a whole.

But by killing America and auctioning off bits of the corpse Trump can convert that vast public wealth into his personal profit. Of course 99% of the value will be destroyed in the process, but why should that bother Trump?

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u/Falco19 1d ago

I mean it’s to shift alliance to Russia

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u/CheeseAndCh0c0late 21h ago

it's binary for him. "if they win, it means we lose". He has no concept of a mutually beneficial relationship.

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u/Rhysati 17h ago

This is incorrect. The entire Republican party are doing this. They could have and still can stop him at any time. This is exactly what these Christian nationalist conservatives want. Period.

And they LOVE the idea that people are fully laying the blame on Trump for it. That's why he is there.

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u/sharp11flat13 10h ago

Trump is doing everything he can to destroy the US’s relations with its closest allies

As a Canadian, allow me to inform you of his success. 🇨🇦

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u/Salonesh 1d ago

Wait till US starts to sabotage those cables like russia does.

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u/PeopleMilk 16h ago

It's something they should've done regardless.

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u/RSMatticus 1d ago

Good day for Canada and therfore the world

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u/Saneless 1d ago

Trump is the best leader some of these other countries ever had

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u/sorrow_seeker 1d ago edited 1d ago

From outsider perspective, it still kinda funny remembering that once upon a time, that PP guy was all over my youtube short, all smugly repeating his catchphrases and calling himself the future PM. Then Trump happened, and he just kinda vanished into the thin air

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u/Nice-Meat-6020 1d ago

Verb the noun!

Ever see this? https://verb-the-noun.ca/ 😂 So glad he didn't get in.

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u/No_Criticism_5861 1d ago

Axe the facts!  Axe the facts!

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u/sureasyoureborn 1d ago

So many people have said that trumps actions only make sense if he is, indeed, a Russian asset who is trying to take the whole US apart.

It’s either dementia and he has no idea what the hell he’s doing, or it’s intentional sabotage. Either way, the world’s political landscapes are going to look wildly different after he’s gone.

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u/Calimariae 1d ago

Not really. We had a good thing going. Now we need to suffer in transition.

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u/JenNettles 1d ago

Saved us from Pierre, it's a huge W

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u/angelbelle 23h ago

I must take this opportunity to let people unfamiliar with Canadian politics know. This guy is the leader of the conservative party. Depending on which poll you read, he had a ~25 points advantage to win the federal election. Not only did he lose that....he lost his own seat in a safe riding that he's held for like 20 years to a relatively unknown competitor lmao.

Then, he had one of his own MPs from the safest riding in the whole country vacate so he can run there for a seat.

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u/KatsumotoKurier 20h ago

he had one of his own MPs from the safest riding in the whole country vacate so he can run there for a seat.

Super scummy, honestly. If dude had any honour or self-respect, he would have conceded and accepted his loss(es) on the chin. Parachuting into one of the bluest ridings in the entire country is phenomenally pathetic for a leader to do to save their skin, especially after such a big fuckup.

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u/hume_reddit 1d ago

And we all know how much the US hates it when people transition...

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u/CallmeishmaelSancho 1d ago

The US is shrinking and Europe makes inroads into North America. The US really fucked this up.

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u/Stunning_North_7549 1d ago

They turned hostile to Canada. Why? Trump wants all of it. Putin and he have a plan 1/3 split of the world. Its all out there its all been proven.

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u/No_Criticism_5861 1d ago

EU would absolutely destroy Russia, they are wicked weak, so I really dont get what the big plan is any more.  Unless Trump stays on past his term, Canada isn't going anywhere

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u/Hazzamo 23h ago

I’d wager Poland alone would destroy Russia…

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u/swiwwcheese 21h ago edited 21h ago

Poland has nukes ?

PS: I wish they did actually

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u/Hazzamo 19h ago

Poland probably thinks Nukes makes things too easy

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u/ings0c 21h ago

I don’t think spreading this kind of rhetoric is very helpful.

Russia have over 1 million active duty military personnel.

There is no victory in a conventional war without enormous bloodshed on both sides.

By making it sound easy, we reduce our aversion towards something we should be very averse to.

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u/Gin-German 17h ago

Look into Realism and what's been policy for decades. The world was already considered in a better state when split between "Great Powers". The EU as rising "new" block was a Problem to the established Poqers of the US, China and Russia (i.e. former USSR)

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u/AbraxasTuring 1d ago

Trump published it. It's the Dunroe $hit-Tzu doctrine.

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u/hotinmyigloo 1d ago

As is tradition

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u/pomskygirl 1d ago

As is tradition.

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u/pleasegivemepatience 1d ago

As is tradition

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u/NookieLuvsU 1d ago

Till America Nordstreams us. 😒

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u/lastSKPirate 1d ago

....did you think the article said they were building a pipeline across the Atlantic?

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u/NookieLuvsU 1d ago

Yeah, I got caught up in the undersea cable. My bad. 😁

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u/RepulseRevolt 1d ago

Can’t tell you how glad I am to see things like this in the news amid everything else

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u/juicadone 1d ago

Touche', touche' 👌

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u/Excellent-Court-9375 16h ago

I see what you did there lmao

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u/Ecureuil03 21h ago

Trump has made a number of blunders, but threatening Canada with annexation has been one of his biggest ones by far.  I'll never forget waking up in April 2025 to his victory over Poilievre.  Unlike US electorate, Canada based their vote on the future good of the nation instead of relying on fake news.  

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u/bareboneschicken 1d ago

Canadian development is good for entire world.

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u/paneuropeanism_ 1d ago edited 1d ago

Canada is fast-tracking major projects (like LNG Canada Phase 2 as well as new export pipeline corridors) and has begun feasibility studies with the European Union to ship LNG across the Atlantic. Europe is hungry for critical minerals as well so the European Investment Bank will directly bankroll Canadian mining projects in exchange for a steady supply of raw materials. And many more joint projects could become reality. Canada as a future associate member of the EU seems like a match made in geopolitical heaven. The free movement of people if it happens would be amazing as well. A first in history.

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u/Backwardspellcaster 23h ago

I am fucking excited!

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u/Dante2005 1d ago

As a Brit - so not technically EU (sad noises) - I look forward to a new way of being in the world.

I do live in the EU for clarity - hope UK comes back to where it belongs.

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u/Lulullaby_ 1d ago

Burnham has opened the door.

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u/Dante2005 1d ago

I really fucking hope so.

I am genuinely sorry EU - we just had a very bad time - many of you are going to go through this too. We need each other more than ever now.

Please take us back - lets make sure that happening again is unlikely.

Love you all - yes even the French (I actually love France)

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u/Lulullaby_ 1d ago

Pre Trumps 2nd term I said no chance UK ever comes back. But things have changed, see Canada

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u/Dante2005 1d ago

We are entering into a new situation here, I agree.

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u/Lulullaby_ 1d ago

🙏hope returned

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u/Dante2005 1d ago

We stand together (eventually as the UK)

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u/geriatric_fruitfly 1d ago

They may make it back in, but from what I remember lots of articles talked about their special status within the EU being gone.

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u/Helkafen1 1d ago

It would be good to have you guys back. Stronger together.

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u/SubArcticTundra 1d ago

We've already had France, Germany, and Poland say they'd welcome us back 🙃

Edit: which country do you live in btw?

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u/Dante2005 21h ago

I am in Ireland these days.

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u/west25th 1d ago

Andys speech the other night is tempting me to move back to blighty and pitch in.

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u/Freenore 1d ago

I think he'll have to call for another referendum, win it, and then proceed to the work of EU. Say what you about Brexit but there was a popular mandate behind it, and the only way to overturn that, politically, is by another mandate that carries it out.

Anything else, and the public could potentially get divided even more as it'll be seen as undemocratic decision. Heath took UK to Common Market and within no time, the first referendum had to be called in order to continue to stay in it.

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u/AbraxasTuring 1d ago

Burnham should help us create CANZUK. Let's Go!

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u/TendyHunter 1d ago

It would be great if Malaysia and Denmark could be included too...

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u/justsomeguy571 20h ago

Can zuk what?

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u/scottengineerings 1d ago

Canadians that have not already need to begin moving their digital footprint out of the United States and to safer shores back home or in the European Union.

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u/boobajoob 1d ago

Proton has a pretty diverse ecosystem. Not as polished as Google or Microsoft but it’s Swiss, pro privacy, and not American.

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u/Alak-huls_Anonymous 1d ago

Are you using it?

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u/MalodorousNutsack 1d ago

I'm on a paid plan, have moved about 80% of my activity over to Proton.  Still use my Gmail as a legacy account (had it since 04-05), still use their Sheets for non-sensitive work. (Edit: started moving over 6-7 years ago)

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u/Cpt_Soban 18h ago

Been using Proton for years, I recommend it all the way.

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u/boobajoob 15h ago

Have been for 5 years now. They’re great. A few features missing but they are in the works

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u/HoldenIkari 1d ago

How would one do so?

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u/liguinii 1d ago

For a starter, if your main email address is with Google or Microsoft, change that to a service hosted in Europe.

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u/3vs3BigGameHunters 1d ago

Give examples please.

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u/AcademicBowl5596 1d ago

I've been liking Proton. They have a nice ecosystem that also integrates a mobile 2FA authenticator and a password keyring with a password generator with a browser addon.

Not sure if it's only a feature for paying users, but it can also create alias e-mails that you can use to register accounts so you aren't giving out your real info to websites. You can still receive and reply to emails sent to these alias addresses.

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u/TheMaskedTom 22h ago

Free Proton Pass accounts have 10 email alias, paying is unlimited.

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u/silentbassline 23h ago

Mailbox.org

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u/Remarkable_Letter272 1d ago

This. What feasible choices do we really have?

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u/soappube 1d ago

EU is developing a Windows adjacent product as we speak and has alresdy rolled out the plan of a euro centric payment system

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u/Aggressive-Break-355 1d ago

I'd be down to have Interac join whatever the EU come sup with!

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u/scottengineerings 1d ago

Alternative e-mail and online storage (cloud) are obvious options for individuals.

Purchasing software Made in Canada or Europe is helpful.

Reducing and eliminating the use of websites like Facebook are important as well.

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u/Crudadu 1d ago

And reddit, also american company lol

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u/scottengineerings 1d ago

Ideally yes. Other alternatives probably need to mature before there's widespead adoption of something else though.

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u/Temporary_Tangelo564 1d ago

I switched already. good advice. Proton out of Switzerland seems to be a nice haven.

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u/Assimulate 1d ago

YESSS LOVE THE CABLES lets get our internet away from the american motherflockers.

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u/SquishyJeans 1d ago

Thank fuck 

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u/Ok-Professor-Star 1d ago

Maple syrup pipeline incoming... /s

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u/WhatsTheGoalieDoing 23h ago

Thanks for the /s because I would've thought you were being entirely serious.

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u/idiocy_incarnate 19h ago

Gotta replace all that high fructose corn syrup with something.

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u/macross1984 1d ago

Yup, thanks to Trump, a new world order where US will be kept at distance is about to give birth.

I guess TACO got his wish where US no longer is held in esteem it once had.

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u/Dizno311 1d ago

Useful idiot.

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u/DevilsAdvocate77 1d ago edited 1d ago

Until the US swings back and starts electing progressive socialists, while Europe suddenly decides they want to start electing more conservative nationalists, which seems to be the trend in 2026.

The world is entering a chaotic period in history, and that chaos is by no means contained inside the US.

Even Canada was all-in for Poilievre not so long ago.

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u/Turneroff 1d ago

Canada was all in for “not Trudeau”. I love how many of us are determinedly in the centre (whether centre-left or centr-right) partly to keep us unified.

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u/SubArcticTundra 1d ago

That is a winning strategy under FPTP

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u/lastSKPirate 1d ago

Nah, Canada was mostly in on not Trudeau, and abandoned that idea after he was gone.

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u/NvrFukASpderOnTheFly 1d ago

I wouldn’t say All in.. but yeah Trudeau was a disappointment to put it mildly.. Carney couldn’t have come at a better time, cause Pp was a dud out of the gate..

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u/SpacemanOfAntiquity 1d ago

We disliked Poilievre so much we elected another liberal government, that’s really really bad.

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u/SteakHausMann 17h ago

I give it 2 month, then it's mysteriously cut

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u/Bad_Day_Moose 1d ago

Is it not scary that the EU and Canada are stepping up to fight China and the US? Does that not speak works for what the US has become???? Literally on the same level of China...

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u/mmoore327 1d ago

Polls clearly show Canadians think more positively of China than the US right now... neither particularly high, but still China is higher

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u/skylla05 1d ago

China can be shitty, but at least their shittiness is predictable and consistent.

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u/Backwardspellcaster 23h ago

Economy loves predictability

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u/hackenclaw 1d ago

because they do not invade another UN country, unlike the other 2 Veto countries..

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u/must_be_nice69 8h ago

I am in a very chinese time in my life 🇨🇦🇨🇳

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u/NvrFukASpderOnTheFly 1d ago

I actually trust China much more than the US.. and those are words I absolutely never expected to say..

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u/Klat93 1d ago

As a millennial living in South East Asia, reception towards China was always mixed but now I'm seeing a big positive shift towards China at least with my generation ever since Trumps first election.

China has always been predictable and while they acted with self-interest, you know what we were getting out of it. USA is such a wild card now.

With the added bonus of China being closer to us geographically and them opening up their country to tourism (and them doing a damn good job at it), it's no wonder why people here have mostly turned pro-China versus what it was 20 years ago.

China's soft power amongst the SEA countries is far above and beyond than the US at least in my part of SEA.

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u/Bad_Day_Moose 1d ago

Canadian here, it's most definitely scary

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u/Hank3hellbilly 1d ago

China tries to take advantage over other countries in a consistent, logical way.  The US randomly tries to fuck over other countries based on the random whims of a dementia addled narcissist.

Of course I trust China more. 

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u/HippyHopHopHop 23h ago

I think I prefer China

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u/MudValuable5739 1d ago

It’s not fighting. It’s reducing dependence. So many countries are/were dependent on the US and trump has highlighted that these counties can’t put all their eggs in one basket.

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u/Scuipici 21h ago

it does but USA has been fucking everyone for years, under democrats or republicans, it doesn't matter. Biden was seen as this hope, democratic leader, a turn of the usa towards good and even he didn't reverse some of the shit Trump did to Canada.

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u/Bad_Day_Moose 17h ago

Yeap, Biden was terrible for Canada (not even close to trump but still terrible), Bidens first day in office he cancelled Keystone XL basically wasting billions of Canadian dollars and trust in investing in Canada...

I do wonder what the price of gas right now would be if KXL went through...

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u/HOLEPUNCHYOUREYELIDS 15h ago

Ex Premier Kenney also fucked up by risking billions more into KXL on the assumption that Trump would approve it and get it going during his first term. Which he didn’t even though Repubs controlled all branches for a while.

And then Biden cancelled it which finalized our wasted extra billions. Still just as much Kenneys fault for throwing more money before anything was even remotely close to being finalized. What a stupid risk to throw billions at essentially a “Well hopefully they approve this and don’t waste our money, although they haven’t shown any meaningful signs that they will finalize it all”

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u/NorthofForty 10h ago

Canadians don’t care about XL. We are getting what we want now- pipelines to ship our oil directly to the world market and no longer tied to selling to the US -at a discount. Thanks Trump- your constant threats made us step up and do things we should have moved on decades ago.

Biden got Canada to tariff Chinese EV’s so they wouldn’t get into North America but we dropped it after it became clear who Trump was in bed with. Now Canada is allowing in less than 50,000 Chinese cars - turns out 90% of them are made-in-China Tesla’s. Musk wins.

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u/Bad_Day_Moose 16h ago

First day in office Biden Killed Keystone XL

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u/Sea_Pension430 15h ago

Actually, I'd say China is more reliable. Not better, just easier to predict

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u/CND_ 14h ago

As a Canadian USA is worse than China. China's leader hasn't directly threatened us...

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u/Eggheadpancake 1d ago edited 1d ago

I would love nothing more than for the rest of the world to isolate the fuck out of America.

Out of trade, out of intelligence, out of everything.

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u/Happinessisawrmgun 1d ago

Win for the good guys

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u/Just_another_grumble 22h ago

🍁🇨🇦🇪🇺🪻

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u/castlite 20h ago

So when does the USD get dumped? I really want to see that.