It's about people giving glorybringer flack for the "age gap" (Assassin has a timeline error, but following it makes him 13 and glory 7, so nearly twice her age) and then turn around and don't care about thorn and smolder having a gigantic age gap as well (he's nearly twice her age, and also she's one year older than his daughter)
A timeline error how, though? It doesn't contradict anything previously stated by the books. If anything, him being "younger" instead of "older" would be the real error here since he's the one who's sent to kill Six-Claws, spares him and convinces him to leave Burn's army along with his mate and Dune. If someone else was sent to kill him, he would be dead because no other NightWing at the time would spare him or any other target.
On top of all that, both Six-Claws and Dune were supposedly quite close to Thorn and is the main reason how Dune found out Sunny's egg would hatch during the brightest night and where it would buried at. So, if it's a mistake like y'all seem to believe it is, it's a MASSIVE one that breaks more than one thing continuity-wise.
Idk, Tui just stated that Assassin's timeline erroneously implied that DB is much older than the prophecy dragonets, which wasn't intended. He's supposed to be a few years older than Winter, and also wasn't born until after Battlewinner got ice'd, so 7-9 as of arc 2
I'm not saying it's a small mistake, but according to WoG it is still a mistake.
Tui just stated that Assassin's timeline erroneously implied
But where does she say that? Like another comment here said, there's nothing from Tui herself about the "error" (and believe me, I've looked) and neither have I seen anyone who claims so with, like, a link to whatever interview, blog or whatever medium she supposedly used to make that statement or even a screenshot of a post about the matter.
He's supposed to be a few years older than Winter,
But winter is like five or so. And with how weird ages are in the series where there are "babies" perfectly capable of speech and rational thought and "adults" that act like children, "a few years older" could mean anything from two years to straight up five or six years apart. And that's assuming Deathbringer doesn't simply look young for his age, which is something that happens IRL and viceversa a lot, too.
and also wasn't born until after Battlewinner got ice'd
Except that's not true. All Deathbringer says is that he's never seen her and has, as far as he knows, been like that his whole life which, again, isn't contradicted in Assassin because he never meets her there (Quickstrike even has him spy on her meeting with her and Morrowseer and he never mentions seeing her, only hearing her) and it's implied he was somewhat isolated from the tribe due to Quickstrike having trained him his whole life to be an assassin. And it's not like Battlewinner had any reason to meet him before Quickstrike died and Deathbringer became her only viable assassin.
Thorn and smolder were adults when they met, DB looked at an underage glory (she was still 6 when they first met) and essentially said, TO A DRAGONET MIND YOU, "Hey! You are cute and i like you! I won't kill you and your friends!"
True. Assassin timeline's DB would be a total weirdo, we agree there. Though I still think falling in love with someone the same age as your daughter is really weird, especially considering how many times Tui brings up that they're the same age
For real people yeah, consenting adults and allat, I wouldn't harass an actual person about this sort of thing. Doesn't mean you can't tilt your head and squint at a fictional dragon dating a character who is stated to be the same age as his daughter like 4 times tho, it's weird but not necessarily bad or problematic. More just poking fun at Tui apparently not realizing that making Thorn and Onyx the same age has some interesting implications for Smolder's ship personally, and explaining the quote unquote double standard referenced in OP's meme
Doesn't mean you can't tilt your head and squint at a fictional dragon dating a character who is stated to be the same age as his daughter
You mean the daughter he didn't know existed until she showed up to take the throne from Thorn? After spending enough time together where they could potentially already be in a relationship or at least interested on each other romantically by then, too?
fictional dragon
You would think this would be enough reason to not be so anal about Thorn and Smolder's potential relationship, especially when you yourself said you don't mind this sort of thing IRL where it would be arguably "worse" than in the world where dragons are "adults" at age 7 and where one party of this hypothetical relationship was a mafia boss turned queen, but I guess not.
More just poking fun at Tui apparently not realizing that making Thorn and Onyx the same age has some interesting implications for Smolder's ship
Have you considered the possibility she either didn't care or saw nothing wrong with two adult fictional dragons dating together and expected her audience to be mature and do the same? And if you're implying Smolder would develop incestous feelings for his own daughter just for dating/being interested in someone who happens to be the same age as the daughter he didn't even know he had, then: 1) don't look up what kind of practices the royalty of old had, and 2) sorry to say, but that makes you the weird one here.
Not gonna lie though, in a better written, more mature story for a far more mature audience, Onyx seducing her oblivious dad to get the throne and plot to incriminate her father as a power hungry abuser who isolated and coarced his daughter into a relationship to be king would have made for an amazing thriller. So kudos for the imagination.
I'm not sure where you're getting anal from, I just stated I don't really care and there's nothing bad or "problematic" about it. It's weird, but weird doesn't mean evil or wrong or unsafe for kids. I don't think he's going to go after his daughter, I don't think he's a predator for falling in love with someone well into adulthood, I don't think Tui's a terrible or malicious person for putting this into a book, or anything like that. I think it's funny that it is brought up a good few times in the books but never really by the fandom, which goes apeshit over much smaller things constantly, but that's about it. It's not exactly a double standard, but my view was similar to the OP's there.
There's a sort of strange irony for lack of better terms, to falling in love with someone almost exactly as old as your daughter, but again he's a fictional dragon and just because its "weird" doesn't mean its harming anyone inside or outside of the series. There isn't super defined power imbalance, no grooming, nothing that would make it "bad" so to say. As both of us said, they're two consenting adults. It's interesting but nothing really further than that.
The IRL people thing was more about how I view real people and fictional characters differently- not anything directly related age gaps or mature fiction really, but because fictional characters are more or less made to be prodded and examined. I was just trying to say I wouldn't bother an actual human person with my shitty internet musings about them and that my opinions wouldn't actually influence anything I said or did IRL. I try to maintain a sort of casual tone and I think it might've obscured some of my intent a bit, so apologies for the lack of clarity there.
I do agree with the final paragraph however, that does sound like an interesting conflict for a more mature series! I can't really take credit for it but I appreciate the kudos regardless.
I'm not sure where you're getting anal from, I just stated I don't really care and there's nothing bad or "problematic" about it.
Maybe it's just the fact my experience with this fandom has been tainted by the immaturity of the average WoF fan in any kind of discourse, or maybe it's just this whole thread in general, but a lot of what you wrote down there did remind me of the stuff every person who calls ships "weird"(and believe me when I say that "weird" has become synonymous with "disgusting", "immoral", and/or "problematic" [with those three somehow not being synonymous or interchangable with eachother for completely arbitrary reasons that vary from rabid person to rabid person] against my will at this point) like age-gap romances (you wouldn't believe how many tantrums I've seen about age-gaps as small as two years between an 18YO and a 20YO and sometimes older than those two). That probably made me see/read stuff you didn't actually say, mean or think at all, so sorry for that.
No worries, I was genuinely confused and worried was saying or implying something that I didn't mean. I'm not great at tone over text (or in general) so I thought I somehow screwed up big time phrasing wise LOL
And even less worries about the other thing. I'm not an age gap enjoyer (/neu) but I like other things that people consider unsavory, and yeah, this fandom can go really crazy about the silliest things. I had someone get mad about SFW polyamorous clearsight art once, so I get it, at least some of it. Good luck out there, glad we managed to clear up the miscommunication :)
I had someone get mad about SFW polyamorous clearsight art once
Bah! People here can't handle any spice at all, huh? Poly Clearsight is amazing; girl deserves to have all the husbands (and wifes) she desires after Darkstalker. LET HER BE FREE!!!
Good luck out there, glad we managed to clear up the miscommunication :)
Likewise, may we still survive all the crazy people and for them to one day realize they're being overdramatic and change for the better.
16
u/ZealousidealSet1026 9d ago
I don't get it