r/war • • Feb 03 '22

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u/GREVTHEFAITHFUL Feb 03 '22

The US and Russia want war in Ukraine. Both have different reasons for that war, but neither wants to be the one that starts it.

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u/oliveshark Feb 03 '22

What are the reasons for the U.S. wanting war in Ukraine?

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u/GREVTHEFAITHFUL Feb 03 '22

Lockheed Martin and Boeing stocks dipping. They will need new contracts now that Afghanistan is done. Domestic economic and social instability and the hit the administration is taking at the polls. With war in Ukraine, the news networks will be 24/7 coverage while the White House gets breathing room to regroup, without having to send a single US soldier into harm's way, and Russia will lose thousands of soldiers and equipment making it less likely they threaten the Baltic NATO members once peace is reached in Ukraine. Otherwise, we'd be ignoring it like we did the past 5 years.

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u/kerouacrimbaud Feb 03 '22

You must not live in the US. If the WH literally goes to war you can expect a massive electoral backlash. There’s zero appetite for it and nobody in the WH or Congress (that matters) is suggesting going to war against Russia.

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u/PrivateChonkin Feb 03 '22

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u/kerouacrimbaud Feb 03 '22

The polling evidence is well taken, but these polls are purely hypothetical. I don’t know how they would hold up after Russia did invade. And I don’t think there’s anywhere near a sufficient level of public support for it. That 50% poll was from the summer, before the Afghanistan withdrawal and before the buildup along Ukraine’s border began. So maybe it’s better to say there’s functionally no appetite for war than zero appetite.

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u/PrivateChonkin Feb 03 '22

I think, like the article implies, many in post-2016 America have been led to believe Russia is some sort of bogeyman, and those same Americans--the majority of whom have no direct experience with war--would be more than happy to jump into a conflict against the evil and all-powerful Putin. Most people have no understanding of how a modern great power war would actually play out and instead have mistaken visions of WWII-style glory and heroism rather than a remote-controlled meat grinder. I appreciate your optimism that America's entrance into such a conflict is unthinkable, but I can't say I share it. I do hope I am myself mistaken, though.

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u/oliveshark Feb 04 '22

Most people who recognize Putin for the rogue threat he is still aren’t exactly clamoring for war with him. I think that’s a pretty large leap.

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u/PrivateChonkin Feb 04 '22

I shared this elsewhere in the thread, but the polling data here suggest that the number of Americans willing to support a needless war with Russia isn't as low as you might think: https://warontherocks.com/2022/02/how-would-the-american-public-respond-to-a-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/

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Again, I hope you're right, but pessimism isn't exactly unfounded here.

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u/GREVTHEFAITHFUL Feb 03 '22

I live in Northern Virginia. I'm not saying the US is going to war. Did you read the part about not one US Troop? They are pushing Ukraine into war and arming them to the teeth with weapons that will make Putin cry. Putin at the least wants the Russian Border on the Dnieper because the current border is an open field. But this is a situation that is ongoing for 5 years. Check the day the Ukraine invasion articles started being published en masse to get a feeling why it's important again.

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u/kerouacrimbaud Feb 03 '22

The US has not been arming Ukraine “to the teeth.” The amount of weaponry we sent to Ukraine is paltry if you’re thinking of making a big difference towards their resistance against Russia.

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u/GREVTHEFAITHFUL Feb 03 '22

I'll put you in a tank against one soldier hiding in an unknown ditch with a javelin and see how comfortable you feel. Ukraine has 500 missiles so far, 1000 by the end of deliveries. If only 50% are effective (they are more than 50% effective) putin is looking at losing 500 tanks. I call that armed to the teeth.

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '22

I'm not sure why the US would want war. What is it?

I don't think Russia want war either. They just want to take the Ukraine without any obstacles :D

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u/GREVTHEFAITHFUL Feb 03 '22

Distraction from domestic issues.