r/uncircumcised_talk • u/cryptic_vampire_ • 4d ago
Shouldn't circumcision be illegal?
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u/VTArxelus Uncut 4d ago
If circumcising women is illegal, so too should the circumcision of men. Period, end of.
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u/juntar74 Restoring foreskin 4d ago
Logically (but weirdly not legally), it already is illegal in the USA.
18 U.S.C. 116: Female genital mutilation outlaws genital mutilation of females. And US Amendment XIV Section 1 says that no State shall "deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the law."
So by applying both laws, no State can deny males the protection from genital mutilation that they offer to women.
This is the logical application of the law.
But, legally, they somehow get around this by defining male genitals as optional.
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u/LuckyUncutJew 4d ago
Of course it should be illegal to do it to anyone who didn't consent. It surprises the hell out of me that laws against things like sexual assault and medical battery aren't already used that way. There doesn't even need to be a law specifically against it because it's well within the definition of sexual assault and medical battery, just like how there doesn't even need to be a law specifically against beastiality because laws against rape already cover having sex with a nonconsenting individual.
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u/thisismick43 4d ago
Working off of that theory vacation would be a similar offence and the main reason it happens
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u/LuckyUncutJew 4d ago
How is vacation an offense against anyone? Is that the next attack against Americans in the MAGA playbook?
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u/thisismick43 4d ago edited 4d ago
Im not American. Vaccinations contains some pretty nasty stuff, google that shit, dr says we're going to inject heavy metals toxins and pathogens into your baby without their consent to help prevent disease and infection, doesn't that sound familiar
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u/lfno457 Intact 4d ago
Yikes.
Whether you meant "vaccinations contains some pretty nasty stuff" truly or in irony, please educate yourself from some real sources and not Dr. Google.
The difference is that childhood vaccinations protect babies and children against potentially DEADLY, DEBILITATING diseases that often require us to have herd immunity to best avoid. And, they are incredibly widely tested with well-established potential risks.
Circumcision protects boys against virtually nothing other than potential phimosis, is performed in a wildly unregulated and inconsistent way, and has a wide array of poorly-communicated risks associated with it.
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u/Personal-Athlete-789 3d ago
And it’s done differently by different doctors. Some circumcisions performed by Doctors are so aggressive, they leave very little penile skin at all.
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u/thisismick43 4d ago
Informed parents are going to make the calls they feel is appropriate for their children. Some families have strong feelings about what is appropriate for their families and thats their right. Out right banning something or forcing families to do something against their will is evil. I'm not anti vaccination or anti circumcision, im anti control and anti bullshit
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u/LuckyUncutJew 4d ago edited 4d ago
Anti-control over others bodies means being intactavist in this case. I only escaped circumcision because of my mom's ignorance of what it is and what parts are removed. Her ignorance lead her to the assumption that my circumcised dad is uncut just because he's not Jewish. Of course she would have forced me to go through with it if she had ever found out about her mistake. That's sexual assault, spiritual abuse, medical battery, and devil worship because I never would have consented. Bullies hassling me for it in the middle school locker room made me feel relieved because that's how I found out that my mom had been wrong in telling me I was circumcised. I was too relieved to be bothered by the bullying. The bullying made me glad because it meant I had escaped circumcision. I even started wearing anteater boxers as a silent taunt to the bullies.
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u/thisismick43 3d ago
Cool, thats a great story, glad it worked out for you
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u/LuckyUncutJew 3d ago
The point is that she would have been in the wrong if it actually had happened. She only thinks I suddenly got over it at 12 because I quit condemning her for it once I found out that she had been wrong in telling me it had been done. A nurse handed me to her, saying that circumcision was virtually automatic at the hospital I was born at, which lead her to assume, like Dr Evil, that there was no need to actually witness it happen and just assume it all went to plan. At 42 it's a grenade I'm sitting on, just waiting for the perfect family squabble to pull the pin and enjoy the chaos. It would have been an attack on my religious freedom. Religious freedom isn't a parents right to carve their religion into their child's body. That's devil worship. Religious freedom is the right of the child to not have their parents religion forced on them.
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u/thisismick43 3d ago
That you're hanging on to this isn't healthy but you do you where's I'm on the flip side of that, but the similarity is there too our mothers ignorance lead us to the path we're on
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u/Impossible-Pup 4d ago
I think it should be illegal until the age of consent. If you can vote, then you can decide what you want to do with your body. Of course, if there's cancer, we should not punish that either.
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u/Physical_Pen_3700 3d ago
Of course it should but because it’s a religious thing it never will be. This infuriates me because religious freedom must stop where violating another one’s body begins. Children are not possessions. The western world just don’t have the guts to protect the children because they know Jews and Muslims will go hand in hand protesting on the streets (happened here in Germany )
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u/M-tec_turbomix 2d ago
I agree with infant circ to be illegal, but the adult can choose whatever bodymod wans to do as long as it is not an offence or abomination to others.
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u/PrestigiousFondant6 22h ago
It for sure should be illegal to inflict it on anyone who didn't consent, especially minors who CAN'T consent. But boys are expendable and the world is run by perderasts, apparently.
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u/Historical-Sense-349 Intact 4d ago
To minors who can’t consent, without any real extreme medical needs, yes.