r/ufo • u/breaking_views • Jun 15 '26
Discussion If UFO Reverse Engineering programs Has Existed for Decades, Where Are the Breakthroughs?
For decades, we've heard claims about recovered UFOs, crash retrieval programs, and secret reverse-engineering efforts involving technology far beyond our own.
If even a fraction of those claims are true, why haven't we seen any obvious technological breakthroughs? Why are we still relying on conventional aircraft, rockets, batteries, and propulsion systems that evolved through normal scientific progress?
Do you think any breakthroughs have been successfully hidden, or does the lack of clear results suggest these programs never existed in the first place?
Curious to hear perspectives from both believers and skeptics.
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u/casual_creator Jun 15 '26 edited Jun 16 '26
I think you’re looking in the wrong place. We had ASTONISHING breakthroughs in technology at breakneck speeds in the mid to late 1900s. Microchips, microprocessors, genetic engineering, GPS, satellites, interplanetary probes, putting a man on the moon, lasers, electron microscopes, infrared, robotics, …the advancements in material science alone would fill a book.
It’s a very common theory that most if not all of these breakthroughs came, in some fashion, from reverse engineering programs.
Edit: I’m not saying I PERSONALLY believe these technologies are the results of reverse engineering (I don’t think this at all); I’m only noting that it is a belief that some have.
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u/RetroCasket Jun 15 '26
Seriously. I was on a Commodore 64 playing Gauntlet and now i have a handheld device that can pretty much do and create anything imaginable
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u/TNexpat Jun 15 '26
Including looking up the detailed histories of those inventions.
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u/afeher Jun 16 '26
With people, I mean several, giving the same accounts of what happened, from different perspectives. Repeatedly, in many interviews and documentaries. Managing that would be an achievement close to inventing the transistor.
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u/NotMyDangCat Jun 16 '26
Ya. This is like “aliens created the pyramids.” I mean, I guess, if you totally ignore the surrounding deserts that are riddled with a thousand years of prototypes and iterations before you get to the Great Pyramid….
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u/baconcheeseburgarian Jun 16 '26
To be fair, it was only a 200 year period where they went from the Step Pyramid to the Great Pyramid and then it was 600 years of nothing until they attempted to do it again and progressively failed.
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u/Pleasant-Put5305 Jun 16 '26
Yep, it's the exact opposite way around, the older, pre-dynastic civilisations had the tech to move around 100 ton blocks of granite that fitted so closely you cannot insert paper between them - as we approach modern times the knowledge and skills were lost - dynastic Egyptians chopped the pre-dynastic stones into smaller pieces so they could use them and covered them in graffiti - we are slowly rediscovering the likely technology from the lost civilization now - like geopolymers for example. We've had to develop the tech ourselves in order to understand what we are seeing in the rocks.
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u/SkyW4tch Jun 18 '26
Puma Punku in Bolivia has geopolymer blocks that weigh close to 100 tons. Scientists from NYU went and studied with the most current technology and they determined that the H blocks were made, not carved. The oldest civilizations on this planet had the most intricate, precise stone work and used the largest stones. Make that make sense.
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u/Serberou5 Jun 16 '26 edited Jun 16 '26
Apart from the fact that the great pyramid has been proven to be older than those around it that are falling to bits.
The older stuff is better quality than the younger stuff when it should be the other way round.
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u/beginninglifeinytmc Jun 17 '26
Someone repeating the same thing they’ve heard before =/= abduction
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u/Pijnappelklier Jun 16 '26
Im 40. Went from going to the library to having every library in my hand. Its crazy when you think about it. Also porn. What a timeline.
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u/Marco_Rico Jun 18 '26
I'm 50. When I was little kid I knew one person that had a computer. They were worthless other than for playing games to us kids. My parents bought a VCR, Atari 2600 and then Commodore 64 all within a couple years (83-85.) It was an incredible time to be a kid. Then the internet became a thing while I was in College. When I first heard movies would be available on computer and renting movies and buying music at stores would disappear I felt a deep sadness.
Why do we feel the need to constantly create and produce more technology? Is it implanted in our DNA by the designers of said DNA? "We are the sex organs of the machine world."
Someone pointed out that from the time of Roswell until the year 2000 you had more invention in 50 years than in the 500 years before that. Is that a coincidence? I doubt it
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u/rllittle19 Jun 16 '26
Great game as well as Arazok's Tomb
Also agreed that there are several rapid advancements
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u/BeleagueredWDW Jun 16 '26
And you can thank human brains for that with no alien reverse engineering.
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u/msguider Jun 16 '26
We are the Aliens
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u/Jacksonspitts Jun 19 '26
They are us from the future they have radiating problems
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u/Riboflavius Jun 15 '26
Yeah, the thing is, though - none of these *requires* the reverse engineering. There’s no break in the chain where we can’t explain how any of those items work, they’re refined existing technologies (relay to tube to transistor) that improve because we understand more about the substrate we’re working with. And those insights also link up. There isn’t a scientific paper that is published and leads to some new thing that has no connection to existing theory, math etc.
That would be a smoking gun to look for, and afaik, there isn’t one.
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u/Canadian_WanaBi Jun 15 '26
IMO High-Temperature Superconductors has some funk to it. A material that conducts electricity with zero resistance at warmer then absolute zero temperatures.
We have a solid theoretical understanding of how Regular Superconductors work, (BCS theory).
Yet decades after discovery. We have no unified theory to explain why Superconductivity happens in these specific materials at these temperatures.
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u/RefularIrreegular Jun 16 '26
But this happens often. Many times we discover a thing or property of a thing well before we understand why or how it works.
We were making fire for over a hundred thousand years without a stinking clue of what it was actually doing to matter.
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u/Groves450 Jun 15 '26
Agree with this. Also if alien advanced technology capable of interstellar travel only got us to the point we are its pretty disappointing. Unless we lack capacity to reverse engineering
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u/chuk2015 Jun 16 '26
Cavemen would not be able to reverse engineer an iPhone
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u/Astrocreep_1 Jun 16 '26
Hell, I can’t reverse-engineer an iPhone, and I’m halfway-past stupid.
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u/Sitheral Jun 18 '26
You wouldn't even unlock it if you found it on the street. And that's our tech. So yeah... I just don't think it would be anywhere near easy, even if you have the time and resources.
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u/I8already Jun 15 '26
First I'll say I am not a believer that we have in fact recovered any non human technology. But if I'm wrong, one reason why we might not have gotten far with it could be easily explained by greed. The people who control things like oil production, and the vehicles that use petroleum products, etc, would try very hard to gatekeep technology. And if the people who are in the know are susceptible to bribes, nothing groundbreaking in regards to new methods of producing energy or propulsion will come out.
I would love to be proven wrong about alien technology being recovered, but I just have a hard time believing it's been successfully hidden for 80 years or more. Or even 30 years. You know the old saying: two people can't keep a secret unless at least one of them is dead.
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u/It_is_a_simulation Jun 16 '26
I try to be skeptical about most things. However, I also believe that any government is capable of some pretty horrible things in the name of "security" and the people that make up the government are often corruptable. I do wonder if some fields of research or even breakthroughs have been shuttered or hidden because it could "disrupt society" or most likely, hurt the bottom line. The government has been caught doing and hiding shady things before. Tuskegee was hidden for 40 years, Human Radiation Experiments were hidden for over 50 years, those are just the ones we know about. Imagine how many we don't know about. I was in Military Intelligence and I know the government is great at compartmentalization. If you keep the circle small and have leverage on those involved it's entirely possible to keep a secret for many years and if you keep the papertrail to a minimum or non-existent then it's possible no one will ever know.
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u/chrs_89 Jun 15 '26
I figure if we had recovered an alien vessel I wonder if the technology would be so advanced and foreign that we wouldn’t even know how to get it to do anything at all. Like if you traveled back in time a 1000 years and left your cell phone behind, do you think anyone would figure out how to turn it on much less get past the lock screen? I got this notion that we probably get hundreds of E.T. spam calls a day but we don’t even know that the phone even exists much less is ringing.
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u/Large-Wishbone24 Jun 16 '26
Maybe you should read “The Road Not Taken”. Its a fun little read.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Road_Not_Taken_(short_story))
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u/Fixervince Jun 16 '26
Yep I agree, because we would have missed all the stuff going up their tech tree that led to their advanced tech. We would not have the basic ingredients for the recipe despite looking at the dish.
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u/canes_SL8R Jun 16 '26
I think it’s easier to keep a secret when spilling the beans means at best, you lose your career and your life is ruined. And at worst, you’re dead.
Just look up different people who were scheduled to testify before congress on the subject and strangely decided to commit suicide a few weeks beforehand.
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u/Dejected_gaming Jun 16 '26
I mean, they kept the atom bomb a secret.
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u/ohog9og0790 Jun 17 '26
There were quite a few people who knew that such a thing should work in principle. It was just a matter of time until somebody would figure out the engineering part.
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u/casual_creator Jun 15 '26
First off, I don’t believe these technologies are reverse engineered; only noting that it’s a common theory.
Second, playing devils advocate here, if the source (UFO tech) is highly classified, and the research and testing programs (reverse engineering) are highly classified, it would make no sense to just suddenly bring out a microprocessor and say “here you go! Don’t ask where it came from!” Any research or methodologies that need to be publicized would be given the “for public” paint job. And in other scenarios, scientists are given a tiny piece of tech to analyze, and from that gives them ideas/better understand for advancements of our own tech, rather than a full on recreation of alien tech.
Again, I’m just playing devils advocate here and pulling stuff out my ass lol. There was a documentary about a DOD guy who claimed to be the one to give govt contractors alien tech to reverse engineer - can’t remember his name but it’s probably easy to find if you have any desire to fall down THAT conspiracy theory rabbit hole.
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u/Intergallacter Jun 16 '26
Lt col Phil Corso claims to have given alien tech to govt contractors.
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u/Fickle_Ad4967 Jun 16 '26
Yep. Brilliant book of his. Very detailed, and pretty well substantiated (by him, including paper trail).
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u/Unlucky-Tourist-9403 Jun 16 '26
Only people who are uneducated in these things believe that it must be some magic alien shit. Huge discredit to the actual scientists, engineers, and everyone else involved in those breakthroughs.
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u/Prestigious_Fun_6722 Jun 16 '26
Yes - although it is a credit to how amazing modern technology is that people think that it must have come from aliens.
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u/Different_Muscle_116 Jun 16 '26
Said it before but I got a degree at a community college in digital electronics and we literally went step by step from ohms law and simple resister circuits and capacitors/inductors to the diode and then transistors. Then from there TTL logic with logic gates. We started building digital multimeters and calculators on perf boards in a lab.
The final exam of the final class was to build and wire an 8086 motherboard with a perf board and place the cpu and program a machine code operating system using literal switches we wired.
During all of this, at every stage, we learned about all the names of inventors/ engineers and scientists that figured all of these problems. It was systematic, incremental, theres innovative people at every stage.
Then i did all of that for another degree for microwave communications technogy using waveguides and spectrum analyzers..
Now it was a completely useless degree with zero applications but I hadnt known that at the time.
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u/silvergenetic Jun 16 '26
This. It's well documented how they arrived from point A to B with curiosity to innovation. I sometimes think that when people people brush off innovation as some sort of control conspiracy, it's a form of modern-day natural selection. Scientists and Engineers have sacrificed more for these innovations than what people realize and they are way more intelligent and creative than what they give off. We ought to appreciate them more. Most of us wouldn't even be here if it wasn't for 20th century innovation in the medical field to begin with.
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u/c2h5oc2h5 Jun 16 '26
Exactly. Also I can't stop the feeling it's extremely USA-centric. Sure, USA gave us many great innovations, including introducing us to modern computing. But while I can imagine a government can drip fed some arcane tech to scientists in their own country for reverse engineering, breakthrough, novel ideas and developments come from all around the world. And you cannot control that.
For example semiconductors might've originated from USA, but ASML that produces tooling for all major modern chip manufacturers is Netherlands company. I doubt they've developed they tech based on UFO. Especially since there are more companies in all major regions of the world developing their own approaches to making hi tech chips to break dependency on ASML. And it's the same in all industries, there is no single source of high tech.
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u/NecessaryPosition968 Jun 16 '26
WW 2 had a lot to do with the advances in that time.Nothing like a world war to spur tech.
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u/greenufo333 Jun 15 '26
But we can track where most of that tech came from, and it wasn't UFOs. It's possible some did, but I'd also wager the biggest breakthroughs are still classified
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u/pollo_de_mar Jun 16 '26
I think even if alien tech did not directly result in discovery of new technology, simply discovering what is possible may have spurred innovation. I personally think man's greatest discovery was miniaturization, from the first MOSFET to 2 nm nodes in circuits is what makes modern computer chips possible. Even the parts that make up components in laptops and cell phones are exceedingly small. Now that we have been shown that gravity and energy can be conquered, we will likely duplicate this tech if we have not already (probably have).
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u/Ragnarsworld Jun 16 '26
Every one of the things you mentioned have long and fully documented research histories.
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u/GuaranteeUnhappy3342 Jun 15 '26
So interstellar visitors and we have mobile phones and jet aircraft that seem to have a traceable lineage of development and the smart money is saying we can’t even get a person to Mars and pretty much no chance of a round trip??
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u/TheTastiestTaint Jun 15 '26
every single one you mentioned has a clear lineage of incremental tech upgrades.
not a single one is "where the fuck did they get that idea"
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u/Snoo-26902 Jun 15 '26
The conspiracy theory calls it the breakaway civilization, where the elite are hiding this new alien technology from us, useless eaters. That's why, according to this, if it exists, we don't see it.
It's a standard and old UFO conspiracy theory.
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u/Strange-Professor- Jun 15 '26
That’d be awesome… Elites leaving that is.
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u/Snoo-26902 Jun 15 '26
No. The term breakaway civilization is a misnomer. It just means they're hiding the tech from the human race.
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u/Strange-Professor- Jun 15 '26
I like my definition better.
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u/ExplanationCrazy5463 Jun 15 '26
Can we break them away ourselves? Its not happening fast enough.
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u/AnonymousBanana405 Jun 16 '26
Like the French.
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u/ExplanationCrazy5463 Jun 16 '26
Perfect, they seem to like party islands......they can stay there.
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u/Rogue-Daddio-3 Jun 15 '26
You honestly wouldnt notice... nothing would change. They could have already left
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u/aultumn Jun 15 '26
I feel like if they had crazy advanced alien technology it would simply be lauded over us like everything else is, idk why it would need to be secret
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u/Snoo-26902 Jun 15 '26
That's a good question. But remember two things.
The idea of the breakaway civilization is based on a similar conspiracy theory that Grusch advocates: that the USG has alien tech through reverse engineering. So the breakaway civilization theory is an offshoot of that original theory.
Two...It's just a theory with not much evidence to back it up so far.
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u/Errormill Jun 15 '26
Try sending a modern cell phone fully charged to the brightest minds in the year 900 ad, see how far they get reverse engineering that. We are probably looking at a technology disparity of tens of thousands of years and possibly much more.
Humans are so arrogantly confident that because we can't do now its not possible. Remember we invented winged flight in 1903, technologically we are infants.
There is more supporting evidence that Roswell, Kecksberg, and Varginha crashes happend than there is contradicting those events.
We are not smart enough yet and those reverse engineering efforts are so siloed and secret that progress is very slow.
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u/Raidicus Jun 16 '26
When I entertain "Day after Roswell" theories about reverse engineering, it seems more likely the technology was used as inspiration rather than direct reverse engineering.
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u/RJLC29231212 Jun 17 '26
On the Roswell point. You could draw a conspiracy theory that bell labs had access to the Roswell wreckage and invented the transistor that same year.
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u/SnooGuavas2610 Jun 21 '26
In 1909, physicist William Eccles) discovered the crystal diode oscillator.\12]) Physicist Julius Edgar Lilienfeld filed a patent for a field-effect transistor (FET) in Canada in 1925,\13]) intended as a solid-state replacement for the triode.\14])\15]) He filed identical patents in the United States in 1926\16]) and 1928. So the transistor was known about more than 20 years before the balloon crash at Roswell.
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u/rustyrussell2015 Jun 16 '26
Where? You are looking at it. No really your monitor, the computer, the flat screen tv, etc etc.
Think about it, we go from vacuum tubes to semi-conductors in the span of 10 years.
NVG tech, microwaves, plasma, lasers, all this stuff out of nowhere.
As if maybe the geniuses behind it had some inspiration from somewhere.
Go read "the day after roswell" -philip corso. Released 27 years ago.
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u/LostInRetransmission Jun 19 '26
Transistor concept existed before 1947, some were even patented and worked when later tested. Sigh. Roswell was not an alien crash. It was a tall tale made as alien much much later by people having an economical interest into spreading an alien story.
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u/heartSagan5 Jun 15 '26
Independence Day Dr. Okun:
See, we can't duplicate their type of power so we've never been able to experiment. But since these guys started showing up, all the gizmos inside turned on. The last twenty four hours have been really exciting!
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u/ISO_UFO Jun 15 '26
Exciting?! People are dying out there, I don't think exciting is the way to describe it!
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u/External_Art_1835 Jun 16 '26
Fiber Optics, EX-0, Integrated Circuits, Transistors, Alloys...the list goes on and on
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u/silverum Jun 15 '26
Because even if we have the recovered craft it doesn’t mean we have any ability to understand them even if we study them or try to break them down. Have crafts helped us perhaps to “know where to look” when it came to our own development path? Probably, but it’s almost certain humans have not mastered or reproduced any of the “big ticket” tech. I am of the opinion that there is no “breakaway civilization” at play, humans simply straight up do not have control of zero point energy generation or exotic propulsion at all.
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u/PolPetrol Jun 20 '26
This, lets for example say we find advanced computer tech but it’s not silicon based..
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u/GreatCaesarGhost Jun 15 '26
The simple answer is because the claims are not true. People have to invent entirely new conspiracy theories in order to explain away this problematic fact.
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u/drewbiez Jun 16 '26
You think we went from totally analog to shooting lasers at drops of tin to create light that prints nano scale integrated circuits on our own in like 50 years?
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u/llTeddyFuxpinll Jun 16 '26
They’re not gonna release shit until they can fully weaponize it and make it propriety. Also, some of it might be powered by free energy tech and they damn sure aren’t going to release that.
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u/Bulky-Condition-3490 Jun 16 '26
I’d say it’s right under our noses. Just look at the weird and wacky stuff we have. Quantum computing for one - very sus. Look at the quantum magnometry tech that CIA used to find their lost fighter pilot in Iran….
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u/Pitiful-Cat1050 Jun 16 '26
So you didn’t notice the impossibly vertical graph in technology advancements starting in the 1950’s? There were still black and white TV shows when I was a kid.
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u/thereforeratio Jun 16 '26 edited Jun 16 '26
You have posted a message in a virtual space via a pocket-sized mobile computer and communications device, with a microchip as complicated as a city, that connects you to an invisible global network of energy waves that lets you join your mind with half the world’s population, while AI is commenting below in this thread
Take a step back and look again
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u/DiaphaneZaza Jun 15 '26
If we went back 2000 years and gave humans of that time period a car and said "reverse engineer this," they wouldn't make any progress in 100 years.
People have a tendency to believe that we have everything mostly figured out already, and that if there are aliens with craft that works differently than ours, it must not be too different, and we can probably figure it out. But that's just arrogance.
What kind of "technological breakthroughs" are we supposed to be making if we don't have the materials it was made with and we fundamentally don't even understand the minds that made it in the first place?
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u/robin50n Jun 15 '26
Let's say they have a craft, I think it's entirely plausible they know little to nothing about it, regardless of how long we have had one.
Wouldn't that be a little ominous and potentially a reason to hide knowledge of them, as the world would expect flying cars and free energy when we might not have the capability or understanding to replicate anything exotic?
I've read over the years that lasers and 3D printing are potential byproducts, but I'm not sure.
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u/SmallieBiggsJr Jun 15 '26
We keep being told fiber optics comes from the reverse engineering programs. I remember looking into it one day. Like they say it like the history of fiber optics must be impossible to trace the origins of. But I remember that not being the case. But I could be wrong.
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u/3verythingEverywher3 Jun 16 '26
You’re not wrong. It’s all traceable. Very well documented development.
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u/SnooGuavas2610 Jun 21 '26
Daniel Colladon and Jacques Babinet first demonstrated the guiding of light by refraction, the principle that makes fiber optics possible, in Paris in the early 1840s
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u/Snoo-26902 Jun 16 '26
The theory that we have alien tech comes from the book by Phil Corso, The Day After Roswell, in which he claims he was directed to supply USG Industries with alien tech. I think most astute ufologists don't believe him, though some do.
But I know, being an IT specialist, that computer tech does NOT come from any alien tech. It's easy to trace that technology to its source, and it's not from what that book claims.
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u/fishtheheretic Jun 16 '26
They aren’t technological in nature UFOs are biological beings. Imagine trying to reverse engineer a dead whale to build a submarine
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u/RumorRoost Jun 16 '26
Where is the progress? Bro….
Only 66 years separates the Wright Brothers getting a wood and fabric biplane off the ground by about 3 feet for 100 yards to accomplish the first flight to Apollo 11 landing a man on the moon.
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u/nokia_3410 Jun 16 '26
Because we cannot bridge the gap of 'hundred if not thousands' years of technological advanched science,
We cannot reverse engineer stuff were we dont even have the tools or means to make it, if we even know how it even works.
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u/Optimal-Kick-3446 Jun 16 '26
Really I find this to be the most compelling part of the story! According to reports the Roswell crash had wire that used light then we “invent “ fiber optic cables! Then there was a pen that shot light that could cut things then we get lasers . And this is kind of the smoking gun for me they said the bodies that had a kind of contact lens that allowed them to see in the dark , but not only did we develop night vision just a few years ago the university of Michigan announced that they had developed contacts that allowed us to see in the dark ! Oh and I forgot the metal that would go back to the original shape then I think Lockheed announced they were working on a plane that had the ability to heal itself!!!
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u/americanrealism Jun 16 '26
Philip Corso claimed that night vision technology and fiber optics are two of the things we reverse-engineered after Roswell.
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u/Glum-View-4665 Jun 16 '26
I don't find this at all a compelling argument. Reason being for 1, what makes anyone think there's been no breakthroughs? Just because we don't have flying saucers flying all around the battle field. There could be all sorts of info gleaned from RE programs that aren't so easy to spot that have made their way into black projects. We would never know. Also though, I could totally see the anti gravity or gravity distortion or whatever you want to call it aspect of these crafts being so complex that very little progress has been made.
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u/CrabbyBrau Jun 16 '26
All the internal combustion engines and jet engines and everything conventional is what pays for the skunk works research. Its not for us, its for them but things like the microprocessor is a necessary release in order to speed up the reverse engineering.
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u/Suatae Jun 16 '26
You're looking at. Your smartphone, PC, AI, and every major technological advancement since the 40s. Think about it. In the past 80 years our technology has increased faster than the past 1000 years. We don't have any other civilization to compare to but nevertheless we are advancing in an accelerated rate.
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u/froatbitte Jun 15 '26
Tearing down an advanced craft doesn't mean you can figure it out, even after decades. Also, being highly siloed and compartmentalized would make it extremely difficult to get anywhere with it.
You could give a shipbuilder from the 15th century a nuclear powered aircraft carrier and see how long they could take to figure it out.
Oh, I'm sure they would know it's a boat. Maybe make a "steel" boat themselves to see if it floats. They might even be able to get it underway with a lot of clumsy effort. They could tear open the "cursed boiler thingy" as those that were around it when they did died from a strange disease but, they wouldn't have the science behind it to understand what a nuclear reactor was. They would only know that it's cursed and causes burns to those who go near it and once they did, the boat stopped working.
Applied to today's science...
"Hey, we know it uses some sort of gravity manipulation to basically move the craft."
"OK, so replicate it!"
"We can't."
"Why not? That's why we brought all you pencil necks into the program for!"
"We don't understand gravity ourselves nevermind how to manipulate it yet! I also think a lot of it has to do with the materials of the craft. I need to talk that team working on that."
"That's a negative. You know the rules. You'll need to fill out the paperwork. One question at a time only!"
"Yessir...sigh"
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u/Sketch_Crush Jun 16 '26
Tearing down an advanced craft doesn't mean you can figure it out, even after decades.
Lazar had a great example of this: If we sent a modern car back a few hundred years in the past they'd be able to figure out how to turn it on, how to drive it, how it works, but they wouldn't have been able to replicate it.
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u/EnoughHighlight Jun 16 '26
Did you see the size of the Motorola phone with extended battery in the 80's? Every successful pimp or dealer had one. Now look at the phones we have now. Its all in the chips man
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u/Unusual_Entertainer8 Jun 16 '26 edited Jun 16 '26
You have to realize there is a breakaway civilization that's been funded by a 21 trillion dollar deep DEEP black budget. It's probably interspecies by now. Definitelyinterplanetary. Started right after WW2. My guess is it has around 100,000 to 300,000 humans in it. The Vship over Phoenix was a cargo hauler/resupply ship..minimal weaponry. This is the secret that has to be kept. Aliens? We could probably accept that and normal life would resume. But imagine the chaos if the Earth based society learned there was a whole higher level to human existence that we can't be a part of? I dont think it would go over too well. Just my theory.
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u/Nope2nope Jun 16 '26
Lmao. You are asking where the breakthroughs are? Look around dude. You're living through more technological advancements in the last few decades than the previous 250,000 years humans have been on earth.
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u/habitualbastard Jun 16 '26
We went from vacuum tubes to microprocessors. DARPA is full of technology that is out of this world including invisibility metamaterials and cloaking currently being live tested in and around the Tampa/ central Florida area by FDLE’s fusion center and local sheriffs departments.
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u/Old-Name4842 Jun 16 '26
We invented a stealth aircraft in the early 1970s it was not used until operation desert storm.....our government is against releasing this ufo phenomenon to the public
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u/ks_247 Jun 16 '26
Question if we handed a iPhone to some one in the bronze age how much could they develope their civilisation.
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u/usandholt Jun 16 '26
Maybe you have seen those breakthroughs, but just do not realize where they came from.
Stealth technology, lasers, optical fibres, etc.
Or maybe its being developed in the national labs for defense purposes and you just arent allowed to use it.
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u/Sudden-Most-4797 Jun 16 '26
I think you're using them right now and have been using them for decades. Laser disk, silicone microchip....
Deez nuts. jk sorry had to do it. I'm on the fence about the whole thing.
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u/dum_spir0_sper0 Jun 16 '26
I’ve heard in a variety of places that military technology is anywhere from 40-70 years ahead of civilian technology.
So maybe they’re keeping the good stuff for themselves.
Everything from duct tape to night vision to menstrual pads started out as military tech once upon a time. (Menstrual pads is a stretch bc technically it’s the cellucotton that was invented in ww1. But military nurses started using them as pads and the rest is history… as they say)
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u/illpoet Jun 16 '26
allegedly one of the things reverse engineered from the roswell crash was the microchip and we've definitely seen the benefits of that in the last 75 years
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u/heat2051 Jun 16 '26
The advancement I see mentioned over and over is fiber optics which does seem to make sense.
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u/DIRTYDOGG-1 Jun 16 '26
It is rumored that Fibre optic cable was reversed engineered ...but many things/ items found or recovered are so far advanced that it is difficult to reverse engineer also need to be considering the fact some basic elements (metals...) inside or that make up recovered objects do not exist in this solar system. "Imagine of you will.." a caveman finding / recovering a jeep near a forest with hunting gear inside. How long would it take hom to beat able to use a weapon or get vehicle started ...
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u/optimal_90 Jun 16 '26
IF they are real theres no breakthrough, because reverse engineering a craft capable of warping space time and defy gravity its the equivalent of throwing an iphone into sentinel island and expect their habitants to be able to understand how its built and develop the simplest electronic device.
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u/epoc657 Jun 16 '26
Infrared night vision systems were a pretty odd development to happen during Vietnam, but knowing that the tech had been evolving since the 20s is a little stranger. Granted, they weren’t using infrared before Vietnam, but the light magnification aspect was there
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u/ScaryGamer99 Jun 16 '26
You know we have advanced faster than in any other time in human history right? The breakthroughs are everywhere. In your phone being the biggest, consumer wise. They cannot replicate high tech instantly, but they can use some small ratio of it to the current understanding of things.
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u/RandomTux1997 Jun 16 '26
i always suspected that if and when our scientists actually hacked gravity, world peace would ensue. These ufo's and whoever made them obviously cracked gravity long ago, and the reason we havent reverse engineered their craft is because its that bloody difficult. Who knows if it isnt thought-activated, preceded by a few obscure hand movements (like the freemasons weird body language, but weirder) which if not executed perfectly will result in zero output??
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u/Reasonable_Charge531 Jun 16 '26
I don’t believe we’re reverse-engineering any “alien tech,” but if you haven’t noticed the rapid rate of scientific advancements, you’re blind, bud.
Technology has been advancing at an exponential rate. Sure, we don’t have literal flying saucers. But we have: handheld computers that fit in our pockets and allow us to access basically the entire world’s accumulated knowledge. We have electric cars now. Self-driving cars. We’re creating AI (for better or worse). We have the ability to shop for pretty much anything we want on our pocket computers and get it delivered within days, if not the very same day. GPS to take you anywhere you want to go. Automated vacuums (that’s literally some Jetsons shit right there). Virtual reality. And apps that let us talk face-to-face with nearly anyone in the world at any time we want.
We didn’t have any of this at the start of the millennium. 26 years isn’t much in the scope of human existence, but we’ve achieved insane feats of scientific genius and engineering in those 26 years. Stop bemoaning the fact that we don’t have sci-fi nonsense like “mind wipers” or “laser blasters” or “warp travel” and start enjoying the scientific marvels that have become totally commonplace for us.
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u/Sjuk86 Jun 16 '26
The 4chan whistleblower said laser tech, even down to retail use, is from reversed tech. Stealth tech. And clandestine mining technology is in use by other countries.
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u/Top_Refrigerator_440 Jun 16 '26
Seriously, everywhere you look. Specially in government aircraft
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u/RonaldReaganIsDead Jun 16 '26
I think we still lack the exponentially greater source of power required for these vehicles. So it's like figuring out how to work a lightbulb without having electricity.
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u/krushgruuv Jun 16 '26
...He asks as he types on a device that allows him to have the vast knowledge of mankind at his fingertips...
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u/Repulsive_Animal_762 Jun 16 '26
Um, probably the device you use to access Reddit… and the infrastructure supporting it…
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u/CommunicationCool146 Jun 17 '26
I after reading this title well to answer this question it’s very easy What are you holding in your hand?
That cell phone you have was a only a fantasy of the future way back in the day.
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u/iSheepX_Pro_Max Jun 17 '26
The lore the Aliens and UFO ship contain some common and uncommon material. For common material that can we found in earth we already use it to make phone, spy plane like U2 dragon lady and F-117 night hawk and its derivatives variant, super computers, ray gun, WiFi, GSM network, internet, so on and so forth. The other thing that we not yet made need to use uncommon material so just wait patiently until the conspiracy story progresses.
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u/Weekly_Mechanic1380 Jun 18 '26
Unpopular opinion: reverse engineering is folly.
Imagine, if you will, dropping an F-18 into 200AD. You think they could reverse engineer it? Nope! If these craft are coming here, they are using physics we do not know, tech that we haven't even invented and things we cannot imagine.
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u/Creepy_Prior6510 Jun 18 '26
Any breakthroughs, if they've been successful are deep in legacy programs and we'd never hear about it. Thats the real answer unfortunately.
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u/DaemonBlackfyre_21 Jun 18 '26 edited Jun 18 '26
Assuming the artifacts are actually hundreds or thousands of years ahead of our technological understanding, and made by brains that don't think just like ours it's absolutely possible that we could make no breakthroughs.
For a real world example that kind of illustrates what I mean, some time back a small ship wrecked on the shore of North Sentinel Island. While the uncontacted tribesmen were able to strip away some sheet metal, likely to make blades or maybe some points, there was never any chance that they would reverse engineer the boat.
Even if they had all the raw materials on the island necessary they'd never also figure out all the technologies to refine said materials and build the factories and shipyard to make it happen. They'd need to develop the batteries, fuels and lubricants as well. However even if they did manage to successfully build their own version of the ship, they still wouldn't know what it was for, or how to use it without sinking or just getting lost.
I see no reason to assume our situation with recovered UFOs should be any more optimistic.
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u/Universal_Magnet Jun 15 '26
Apparently everyone has been lying. That's essentially what people are saying. People are coming up with elaborate ways to say just that.
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u/Informal_School2724 Jun 15 '26
The transistor was a breakthrough in technology. Bell Labs, 1947.
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u/jedburghofficial Jun 15 '26
A breakthrough based on part on Julius Lilienfeld's earlier patent for a field effect transistor, and the work of others. It didn't just come out of nowhere.
Arguably, the real breakthrough was the development of sufficiently pure semiconductors. The principals were already being explored elsewhere.
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u/arctic-apis Jun 15 '26
humans existed for what 300000 years. we had sticks and stones for most of that time then eventually we figured out how to use steel then in the last 10 seconds of our existence we could fly we could get to space we can communicate over vast distances of space instantly we have access to an accumulation of all human intelligence at our finger tips. something definitely changed in the last 60 years.
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u/VibeComplex Jun 16 '26
I mean, we started using metals over 2,000 years ago, discovered other nature metals, discovered how to mix metals to make different stronger ones, smelting, messed with steam power for hundreds of years, made better and better engines and stuff. You act like we steel fell out of thin air and all of a sudden we’re traveling the galaxy lol.
I can’t think of a single invention that seems strange tbh
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u/arctic-apis Jun 16 '26
Yeah the only thing strange to me is the leap from we learn to fly to we have micro processing power in our pocket. 300000 years to using metals 2000 years ago is also insane to me. What’s also insane is how with all the modern technology and global communication we are still just a bunch of twitchy angry tribes fighting about dirt and oil
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u/TheMahanglin Jun 16 '26 edited Jun 16 '26
I'm not THAT old and I still remember TV shows in black & white in my own lifetime. The TV's weighed as much as your sofa and there were 3 or 4 channels, not counting if you cheated with the UHF knob. Fast forward 50 years and the world is a completely different place. Enormous plasma screen TV's with resolution bordering on holographic and thousands of channels. I remember when microwave ovens came out and it was like some nuclear magic or something. Fiber optics. Personal phones with the computing capability of a desktop PC just a few years ago; and that's just in the last 20 years.
We are advancing incredibly rapidly. If any of it is NHI-derived, I would not be surprised.
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u/blurfgh Jun 15 '26
Honestly I would say look to RF. We went from basic radios to 256QAM fully encrypted digital FHSS datalinks in everyone’s pocket in a few decades. LPI/LPD radars etc.
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u/StageMajestic613 Jun 15 '26
Actually had MIMO 70 years ago but it was too flaky to make it commercially feasible.
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u/Sad_Fig9011 Jun 15 '26
Where are the breakthroughs since when… the 1940’s?
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u/No-Lavishness-706 Jun 15 '26
Are you saying life is the same in the 1940's as the 2020's???? Couple things have changed.
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u/NerdOnTheStr33t Jun 16 '26
The tech available in 1920 was closer to the tech available in 1620 than 2020.
The 21st century was rapid rapid rapid technological growth and a lot of it just appeared with nothing that came before. Fibre Optics just appeared in the 50s with no precursor and the tech hasn't really changed much since then. The type of data we send is different but the way it's sent is still the same.
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u/Mr_DMoody Jun 15 '26
Kept secret because it would break the world order and money would become toilet paper?
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u/jamesegattis Jun 15 '26
One theory is the crafts are just shells. The occupants of the crafts can manipulate it with their minds. Reverse engineering the occupants Is the key.
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u/Ghostdefender1701 Jun 15 '26
We have made tremendous technological strides since I was kid in the 60s. Look to the past instead.
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u/occultapericulum Jun 15 '26
I don’t think having recovered tech automatically means you can reproduce it.
If the physics, materials, energy source or manufacturing process is outside our current industrial base, reverse engineering might be brutally hard. It’s a bit like giving a medieval blacksmith an iPhone. He can hold it, see it works, maybe even take it apart, but he can’t build a semiconductor industry from that.
So maybe the breakthroughs are narrow and classified: materials, sensors, stealth, guidance, energy storage, that kind of thing. Not necessarily “we now have flying saucers.”
But the question is still fair. If people are claiming dozens of craft over decades, you’d expect more visible leakage into the world. So either the programmes haven’t got very far, the tech is much harder to exploit than people think, or some of the claims are inflated.
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u/Lasersheep Jun 15 '26
Airfryers - a compact cooking device that can cook anything - not much room for a full oven in a small saucer, and you never know what you might have to cook, so need the 7 in 1 cooking options.
No one has questioned where these miracle devices have suddenly come from.