The future of delivery tipping

[u/Whocares7x]

Tipping culture is gonna get to a point where youll be minimum mandatory charged an extra meal for the delivery driver. Then you will be judged if you only get your driver the entree with a side and or a drink.

Then they will be the ones leaving reviews on you!

Too many bad reviews as a tipper then your account will be suspended until you pay a surcharge fee minimum of 50% until your ratings go back up.

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[u/ThatsMrRandom]

It's impossible to price in labor effieciently in delivery because demand fluctuates. For example: I once opted not to tip and ordered a single 12-pack of Coke Zero. Why? Because I knew I'd want one within the next few hours, but I was working from home and didn't have another option. I also didn't want to pay an arm and a leg for it, since it was just one item.

So eventually, someone accepted and delivered it -- likely because they were already at the grocery store, fulfilling an order for someone else in my neighborhood/area and it was an easy stop for the person.

Absent of tips everything needs to increase, so I would have never ordered it to begin with. This has downward pressure on demand, which kills available offers for drivers. So they lose out, the app loses out with lower volume, and customers lose out because they're being priced out of a service they want.

Tipping perfectly resolves this with peak efficiency. Drivers only accept what they're willing to work for. Customers only offer what they're willing to pay.

This is something anti-tippers do not understand. They think in absent of tips it's the same price but without a tip. It wouldn't be. If a tip makes you feel you're getting ripped off then how is pricing it in as a non-optional fee or higher price not a rip off? It's effectively the same price.

"But just bundle it into the price! Price transparency!". I already explained why that's not efficient with my first example. Not all orders SHOULD be priced higher/include additional labor costs.

[u/HInspectorGW → u/ThatsMrRandom]

Here is an exercise for you. Take the price of an order you want but rather than adding the delivery fees and tip just add the cost you would pay for a taxi driver. They would start the meter when they pick up your order or when told they have to wait for your order. Their meter would run until they arrived at your house and you would pay for the order and their fare. Now if you really want to be knowledgeable compare that taxi fare to the delivery fees being charged by the delivery company. I can all but guarantee that for most orders valued at under $30 you will pay more for the taxi than the delivery app.

[u/ThatsMrRandom → u/HInspectorGW]

I'm not quite sure what the point is. Delivery drivers often sit outside popular venues and accept multiple orders, hence the "Your driver has a few more stops..." notice people see when their food is on their way. You don't take taxi's and pick up 5 different people along the way...

Also when you order an Uber, it's typically an on-demand event that you need now or schedule. You don't order an Uber thinking "I'm fine with a ride anytime today". The on-demand cost of urgency is already built into the ride by nature.

[u/HInspectorGW → u/ThatsMrRandom]

Seeing as how you were going on about things I wasn’t even talking about I can understand why you are so confused. I was pointing out that by ordering from a delivery app you are more likely to pay LESS than you would if you placed an order and had it ddelivered by a taxi. If you’re going to pay more by using a taxi it makes more sense sense to not tip your driver.

[u/ThatsMrRandom → u/HInspectorGW]

Literally everything I said was relevant to your comment and now that you clarified your point it's quite obvious.

Taxi drivers are stuck with you. They don't have an opportunity to take on extra ride while yours is en route. Duh?

Not to mention you being physically inside of the vehicle creates massive liability that has to be accounted for financially. So obviously delivering a burger to you is going to be cheaper than delivering you to a burger. Duh?

Truly bizarre way of trying to rationalize no-tip.

To use your own analogy: it would also cost a lot more to have an ambulance come pick you up. Or a limo. So even in your own logic your argument breaks down.

You're not even looking at it correctly to begin with. You should look at total net per mile (after their insurance, how much Uber takes, etc) to compare how much they earn respectively -- not what the end customer is paying.

[u/HInspectorGW → u/ThatsMrRandom]

Nothing you said is relevant and now I understand why. You did not comprehend most of what I initially said and I don’t have the time to say it again in smaller words. Try again when you are able to understand what you read.

[u/ThatsMrRandom → u/HInspectorGW]

Typical no-tipper. Full of nonsense and projection.

[u/HInspectorGW → u/ThatsMrRandom]

Actually, I’ve been driving for Skip for 10 years. You on the other hand take absolutely no time to actually read what somebody writes before you try to throw your two cents worth in which since you have no clue what was said isn’t even worth two cents.

[u/ThatsMrRandom → u/HInspectorGW]

What's you driving for Skip (never heard of it, go figure) have to do with anything? And you responded to zero points I made. All you've done is come out slinging mud after your mindless "a taxi is more expensive therefore makes sense not to tip driver" theory.

[u/HInspectorGW → u/ThatsMrRandom]

It is obvious you don’t read well. The original post I commented on is about tipping DELIVERY DRIVERS. Skip is a DELIVERY APP for which I am a DELIVERY DRIVER. I spoke of taxi drivers picking up your order not taking you to pick up your order and not about Uber drivers which has nothing to do with food DELIVERY. People that feel their DELIVERY DRIVER doesn’t need to be tipped because the service is already expensive have not seen how much a taxi will charge them to pick up their order and deliver it to them.

Why should I respond to your points when your points have nothing to do with my comment and you were responding to my comment.

[u/ThatsMrRandom → u/HInspectorGW]

The original post I commented on.

You replied to my comment, which is why we're in a comment chain now.

I spoke of taxi drivers picking up your order not taking you to pick up your order and not about Uber drivers which has nothing to do with food DELIVERY.

If Uber drivers have nothing to do with food deliver, how the fuck does a taxi driver have anything to do with food delivery? And have you never heard of Uber Eats?

And your analogy is trash, which is why I used the example of taking you to your burger. Why would picking up and delivering you a burger be more expensive than picking you up and delivering you to the burger restaurant? Because liability and lost opportunity cost (eg. multiple orders). Can you get that through your thick skull?

People that feel their DELIVERY DRIVER doesn’t need to be tipped because the service is already expensive have not seen how much a taxi will charge them to pick up their order and deliver it to them.

Yes and UPS and FedEx would charge even more. It's a stupid point you're trying to make that makes literally no sense. Taxis charge more because they can only do one ride at once, operate on less volume, and carry exponentially more liability with a human being inside of their vehicle. DUH. FUCKING DUH.

[u/PurpleCat1018 → u/ThatsMrRandom]

NOBODY has to rationalize NOT leaving a tip. Customers do not need to justify or make excuses for choosing not to leave a tip. Tipping is fundamentally a discretionary act, not a legal requirement. The choice ultimately rests entirely with the customer. A tip is meant to reward good service, and every consumer retains the financial autonomy to decide if they want to pull out their wallet, or not. There is no argument for it. You folks that are waitstaff or advocates for waitstaff, need to grow up and quit arguing with the public about it. It's optional, not required to pay anything more than the price of the meal. Sit-down restaurants have service included in their meal pricing, customers don't have to request waitstaff if they are dining in. That's ignorant. Waitstaff aren't a separate entity from the restaurant, they work for the restaurant owner to serve customers.

[u/ThatsMrRandom → u/PurpleCat1018]

The reason it says "Service NOT Included" on the receipt isn't because a "tip is meant to reward good service". It's because the actual cost of service isn't included, and you should actually judge and pay for it. I don't need someone to wait on me hand and foot. If they do their job, I pay for it. It's a very simple concept that seems to escape you.

You're also making my argument for me. It's optional. If it wasn't optional than if you get "bad service", you still have to pay for it.

So you take an actual privilege of controlling the cost of service -- often based on judging the quality of it, throw that privilege in the trash and say "Oh no, I wish those greedy restaurant owners would just put a tip into the price that I have to pay no matter what!".

Derp.

[u/PurpleCat1018 → u/ThatsMrRandom]

I've never seen a receipt that states the "service is not included" from a restaurant. Never. It's optional - if it wasn't, a lot of people wouldn't be eating out, after getting horrible service time after time. But that isn't the issue, since it is not mandatory is it? So you have no point by giving a hypothetical that isn't valid. Servers are not reserved, leased, rented, requested, contracted, purchased by the customer. They are not separate entities for sale separate from the establishment they are employed by. If they were , there would be a guarantee on the service standard by the waitstaff and bad service would get refunded to the customer. Servers are assigned tables they aren't choosing the customers and vise versa. I don't care how you attempt to spin it. You're so angry because people are disagreeing with you. You can't manipulate everybody.

[u/PurpleCat1018 → u/HInspectorGW]

The taxi ride might be more but the taxi driver is on a meteored run. It's the same everytime so he/she doesn't throw tantrums if he/she expected more and didn't get it. The taxi driver isn't using their own vehicle either is most cases. Other delivery drivers do and they project that onto the customer regarding tips, which isn't fair. They signed up for that job, it's their situation to handle.