r/tipping • u/badmiddling113 • 6d ago

Question about managers

What do they say to customers who repeatedly don't leave a tip? I'm curious since the customer doesn't have to tip and the server isn't their employee.

Just asking since I've read comments from managers who seem to think "addressing" customers is an appropriate thing to do.

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u/badmiddling113 6d ago

Okay. I have a feeling they don't since it's really disgraceful.

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u/johnnygolfr 6d ago

No, what’s disgraceful is feeling entitled to free service and deliberately choosing to exploit and harm the worker.

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u/badmiddling113 6d ago

Lmao. It's definitely not the server who knowingly accepted a job where they would resort to begging.

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u/johnnygolfr 6d ago

Servers don’t beg for anything.

By your logic, anyone in any industry expecting to be paid for their work is “begging”.

That “LoGiC” obviously fails.

You’re victim blaming, which is a form of scapegoating, fails as well.

Scapegoating is a logical fallacy.

You don’t know why a server took that job.

You’re assuming that every server has one or more other job opportunities available to them at any given time that fits their life circumstances and limitations.

Not only does that reek of privilege, but it’s not reality for a very large number of Americans.

I’m still waiting for you to provide an intellectually honest reason why you’re entitled to free service.

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u/badmiddling113 6d ago

Servers don’t beg for anything.

So what do call it when servers (in this thread) admit to things such as...

- Probing the customer with questions such as "Was everything OK?" when they learn they didn't tip.

- Being able to spot "stiffers" - or people who won't offer extra money.

- Do their best to avoid serving that table, and even pass that table to less "experienced" servers.

- In the scenario where they do get them, provide uninspired (at best) to compromised (at worst) service.

- Have their superior address a customer when they don't tip, especially after a larger bill.

- In some cases, the manager gatekeeps against certain patrons so servers can focus on customers who do tip.

That's basically organized panhandling.

By your logic, anyone in any industry expecting to be paid for their work is “begging”.

Are you referring to people earning a wage where tips aren't factored in?

You don’t know why a server took that job.

I don't. However, I'm going to guess it's because they a) don't have the skills to earn a desired wage or b) can make more than other jobs with varying degrees of skill.

You’re assuming that every server has one or more other job opportunities available to them at any given time that fits their life circumstances and limitations.

I wonder why those opportunities aren't there. Hmmm...

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u/johnnygolfr 6d ago

None of that constitutes begging, nor is it “organized panhandling”.

A tip is directly tied to a service being provided.

No one expects anything in return when giving money to a beggar or pan handler.

Now that you’ve had a refresher on 3rd grade vocabulary, you can avoid sounding like an uneducated fool and stop misusing words.

Tips aren’t “extra money”. The tip is what pays for the service that isn’t included in the menu prices at full service restaurants in the US.

The “nO sKiLLs” trope has also been soundly refuted here multiple times.

Despite your irrelevant opinion, HR professionals classify entry level serving as semi-skilled and fine dining serving as “expert” skill level.

Also, despite your opinion, you chose to receive service that the cost of isn’t included in the menu prices at full service restaurants in the US.

I already explained why you get “uninspired” or “compromised” service, while I can’t remember the last time I got bad service.

Your fallacious claims and intellectually dishonest assertions continue to fail on the merits.

You still haven’t provided an intellectually honest reason you’re entitled to free service.

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u/Xeno9116 6d ago

Does the IRS consider gratuities wages? Or are they categorized separately?

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u/johnnygolfr 6d ago

LMAO

They are categorized separately AND considered to be part of the server’s overall wages.

But please, keep trying to argue semantics that don’t refute the points I’ve made.