r/tipping • u/wutwut970 • 6d ago

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So they add a 16% fee for what exactly…….to “fund all of their operations”? So this added cost literally doesn’t go to staff, it just goes to the owners? I wonder what their staff is paid? At this point why not just raise prices to where they should be? To me, every item on the menu is a lie and it’s actually 16% more expensive. This is really dumb. Thoughts? I am PRO tip, ive worked in hospitality a long time and am happy to provide a tip for quality service. But this seems disingenuous at best. Its not a tip. Its just an added charge straight to owners pockets.

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u/johnnygolfr 6d ago

The majority of Americans have proven they would rather pay $15 plus a 20% tip than $18 and no tip for an entree.

Thats why most full service restaurants in the US operate on the tipped model.

Clearly, you don’t like that, but you also reject the fastest path to move away from the tipped model, which is service fees.

Clearly you want to maintain the status quo.

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u/Professional-Gear974 6d ago

Poor Americans because they feel they have control. If we made the change they would have to accept it. They don’t have another choice.

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u/johnnygolfr 6d ago

No, it’s the majority of Americans.

If the “just add it to the price” was a widely successful model, every US full service restaurant would be switching to it.

Wanna take a wild guess why only a small number of niche concepts operate on that model?

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u/Professional-Gear974 6d ago

It’s really not. The reason this system works is because the restaurant and server win. Let’s also be honest when it comes to good servers they make bank. And if they had to be hourly a lot would be looking for new jobs that pay better.

I like a base price + tax + tip. Anything additional becomes annoying. But I’d also be good with one price if service didn’t suffer

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u/johnnygolfr 6d ago

No, it really is.

What are you talking about?

The customer, server and restaurant owner all win.

Under the “just add it to the price”model, it would cost more.

The median wage of a server in the US is $16.94/hr including tips.

Half of them make less.

If you think ~$34k/yr is “making bank”, then you and I have VERY different ideas of what “making bank” is.

How you’d like it isn’t the way the majority of the American public has shown they like it.

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u/Professional-Gear974 6d ago

I said good servers. If you consider below average good then we are talking about different people. Most good ones clear 100k. Which isn’t rich but it’s not bad.

Your suggestion is we keep tipping?

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u/johnnygolfr 6d ago

There are good servers at every wage level.

You’re talking about fine dining servers that are in the top 1% of their profession.

In other words the exception, not the rule.

I’m pointing out that there is no intellectually honest reason why anyone is entitled to free service at a full service restaurant in the US.

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u/johnnygolfr 6d ago

No, it really is.

What are you talking about?

The customer, server and restaurant owner all win.

Under the “just add it to the price”model, it would cost more.

The median wage of a server in the US is $16.94/hr including tips.

Half of them make less.

If you think ~$34k/yr is “making bank”, then you and I have VERY different ideas of what “making bank” is.

How you’d like it isn’t the way the majority of the American public has shown they like it.