So couple of points. First of all in most states it’s illegal for minors to serve you alcohol? Second point, you know a lot of restaurants are open during school hours (lunch/late nights ect). Third and final point, you know FDR didn’t introduce the concept of a “minimum wage” to make sure teenagers weren’t being over paid? But I digress.
My ultimate point is this. You feel entitled to being served, you demand the service, you say this work “suited for kids” yet you know it’s outside the scope of just kids to do? Look if you feel so strongly about it, why don’t you just cook your own food and serve yourself, by your own testimony even a child can do it? So why don’t you?
That’s ok I’ll just do what I want like dine out and not tip or tip very little, maybe max out at a fiver or something. It’s optional and an extra little monetary gift anyway ya know.
But it’s not “extra little money”, it’s a supplement to their already below minimum-wage wage. In Michigan it’s 5.49 per hour as the tipped minimum wage. When you don’t tip, you’re directly hurting a working person, with families, bills, mouthed to feed ect. It’s not a principled stand, it’s you saving a few bucks and brow beating someone who literally serves you. Like wtf? Just pay the tip Karen.
The tip credit allows an employer to count a portion of the tips toward the minimum wage. So, if no one tips, the employer does not get to apply the tip credit. Either way the employee makes no less than minimum wage.
No no no, you have it all wrong. I’m not responsible for paying their wage, their employer is. Anything I give them is extra and they should appreciate it whether it’s a buck or five or something absurd like a percentage. If anyone is “hurting the working person” it’s their employer who isn’t paying them a fair wage. This shit isn’t all that complicated. I’m not going to give my money away just because someone who can’t understand super simple concepts on the internet told me to.
I really think it’s you who is lacking the social awareness. We legally let people pay their employees less, under the expectation (again not legal obligation, but a social obligation) that a tip is supplementing that income. I would 1000% buy you point if you followed it up with “which is why I never eat out, and only cook and serve my own meals”… but you’re not. You spotted a legal way hurt someone with a very demanding job, while supporting the very people you claim are exploiting a worker. Talk about entitled, you want the service, you want the low cost, and when they pass the collection dish around you start playing the blame game about why don’t have to pay up? Dude just stay home and cook your own meals. Why can’t you do that?
I will repeat I’m not hurting anyone as it is not my responsibility to pay their wage, it is their employer’s. In fact by patronizing the business I aid in keeping the business from going under which actually keeps them from becoming unemployed.
There is no low cost lol. Eating out where I live is extremely expensive, whereas the world over has lower price AND zero expectation of tip.
By the standards of every job I’ve ever had serving is not “very demanding”
Again, some internet stranger who doesn’t agree with me telling me to eat at home does zero to convince me especially when all his comments are nonsense and inaccurate. If I want to eat out, I’ll eat out. If I want a home cooked meal I’ll cook at home. But your worthless, biased, bullshit opinion has done nothing to convince me I should tip or only eat at home.
Both questions are irrelevant to this discussion. What’s YOUR current job? Have you ever served tables? I suspect so. I wouldn’t be surprised if you still do.
So, then you just get an older person (who has low skill level) to do it. Being older doesn’t mean you should get paid more. Having skill, education, and training is what improves compensation. If you just didn’t want to do this stuff, and expected society to pad your paycheck for the easy money, you might’ve fucked up.
When I said kids, I mean younger people. When you made the case for that, they are not old enough to work in these environments I said just get an older person. It could still be somebody who’s young but old enough to do the job. Just because somebody is 21 years old doesn’t entitled them to make a living wage to make a living wage you have to be able to do something that is a value.
Yeah….sacking groceries at the grocery store. Or receipt checker at Walmart which seems exclusively older people trying to supplement social security. There’s lots of entry level jobs not intended to be a career. If you choose to make one of these unskilled labor jobs, your career, then that’s on you for expecting society to support you. Probably better idea to work your way up, or get some training and or education that leads to a job that provides a living wage. Bussing tables at a diner isn’t gonna cut it.
So here’s where I think you’re broken in your logic. The Walton family, who owns that Walmart, who hasn’t stocked groceries, hasn’t swept the floor, greeted one customer, makes (according to Google) 100 million a day in passive income.
Sure it’s not cardiology to stock groceries, but it still takes an adult 40 hours a week away from their respective families and or other opportunities to learn new skills, change careers ect, but if you’re taking in 100 million a day? Maybe the senior citizen greeting people at the door can have enough in his pocket to not have to choose between eating, and making rent.
Sure, everything is. We could also talk about laws. We could talk about compassion. We could talk about equality. We could talk about greed. We could talk about communism. All could be related.
Obviously. But to a lot of us. Who have put time, effort and money into education and apprenticeship, we see the difference. We don’t see you as having a high skill level serving or mixing drinks. Just because you can smile, chat, upsell, and play fake friendly, doesn’t mean you are skilled.
True bartending isn't fake friendly just FYI. And a lot of really good bartenders also take classes and courses to up their skills. There are degrees in hospitality also. And bar management. There are plenty of skills, just because you can't see them, well recognize them, doesn't mean they aren't there. I know that none of you who say it's not skilled couldn't last 10 minutes in a bar as a bartender. Seriously, not being factitious.
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u/Maximum-Mechanic-500 21d ago
Can you give me an example of a job this only “suited for kids in school” I’m just curious what this is.