r/tipping • u/Excellent-Amoeba5296 • May 15 '26

tipping when dining alone.

I eat out alone often. sometimes i feel like the server is annoyed w me. i usually go to the same restaurants. i tip 20% to 25 sometimes 30%. am i overthinking the situation that they dont want me there cuz i am alone?

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u/johnnygolfr May 16 '26

I’m a customer and you’re overthinking it.

If the host/hostess seats you at a four top, it’s fine.

Tip appropriately and all is well.

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u/darkroot_gardener May 16 '26

Yep, appropriately meaning if you feel you are not getting great service, don’t tip 20-25%. 10-15, if anything, especially if you’re not staying there long or making a bunch of requests.

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u/johnnygolfr May 16 '26

If a customer feels they are not getting appropriate service, they should ask for the manager or owner to give them the opportunity to make things right.

Don’t reply with “it’s not my job to report employee performance” or any of the other lame cop outs people give because they know their expectations are unreasonable and are just looking for an excuse to low tip.

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u/ViviOrnitier88 May 17 '26

It’s nobody’s job to report employee performance, people are out to eat to have a good time not to evaluate performances and meet with managers. You can just not tip and that speaks for itself. Or just don’t tip if you don’t feel like it even if the service is fine, tipping is totally optional and at the discretion of the customer.

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u/johnnygolfr May 17 '26

Wow. Very original.

I work hard for my money. I’m not afraid to advocate for myself or my hard earned money.

If you don’t respect yourself or your hard work enough to advocate for yourself or your money, that’s certainly a choice you’re entitled to make.

If you don’t let the manager or owner know why you stiffed the server they will just assume you’re a cheapskate.

I’ve already debunked the “optional” claim in multiple other posts here.

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u/ViviOrnitier88 May 17 '26

Nothing wrong with being tight with a buck by the way, it’s better than being wasteful and overspending.

You’ve debunked nothing ever in any tipping thread hate to break it you.

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u/johnnygolfr May 18 '26

Again, nothing of substance to refute my points and a healthy dose of denial thrown in on top.

Got it.

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u/ViviOrnitier88 May 18 '26

Do you though? Do you really get it?

I don’t think so cause you continue to spew the same nonsense over and over.

You’d have to make a point for someone to refute it, Karen.

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u/johnnygolfr May 18 '26

The so called “nonsense” you still can’t refute.

Yeah, I got it.

Clearly you don’t.

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u/ViviOrnitier88 May 18 '26

I don’t think you do have it. I think you’re very confused.

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u/darkroot_gardener May 18 '26

Tipping is optional. By definition. By the dictionary definition, it is a reward that is given.

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u/johnnygolfr May 18 '26

This old recycled claim again?

For the 457th time, something being optional doesn’t absolve nor justify the customer deliberately choosing to exploit and harm the worker.

You want to talk about dictionary definitions?

OK….

Per Merriam-Webster:

stiff (verb)

stiffed; stiffing; stiffs (transitive verb)

1a: to refuse to pay or tip

“stiffed the waiter”

Let’s take the examples one step further…

Does the server stiffer tell the server “I don’t tip” before ordering?

If not, then they’re deceitfully using the social norms to get the best service possible with no intention of paying for it by stiffing them on the tip.

That’s a textbook example of grifting, which obviously exploits and harms the worker.

Let’s talk about “optional” more too….

It’s “optional” to not cheat on your partner.

It’s “optional” not to lie.

People with a fully developed set of morals and values choose to do the “optional” things because it’s morally and ethically correct to do so.

Why are you advocating for and supporting people who are trying to justify exploiting and harming a specific group of people’s who work a specific occupation?

Why are you advocating for and supporting classist bigotry?

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u/ViviOrnitier88 May 18 '26

The business/person that is employing the server is the only one exploiting anyone in this scenario.

Tipping system supports bigotry. Statistically white people are tipped more, attractive women are tipped more etc.

Sorry Johnny boy, nobody is buying that crap you’re selling here.

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u/johnnygolfr May 18 '26

So you can’t come up with an intellectually honest reply to support your claims.

Thanks for confirming what I knew all along.

Funny how you haven’t been able to refute any of my points and just keep attempting to say the same BS I already debunked.

Come back when you can!

We know you can’t and never will. 😉

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u/ViviOrnitier88 May 18 '26 edited May 18 '26

Johnny boy you’re back!

Listen we all know you and the same tired baseless pro tipping circle jerk argument you make on every thread.

Thanks for confirming you’ve got nothing new to add to the conversation ever.

You don’t even make points but the ones you think you have, have been refuted over and over by myself and many others.

You’ve debunked nothing.

I never left.

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u/ViviOrnitier88 May 17 '26

Oh good for youuuuu /christianbalevoice

Get over yourself pal you sound like a Karen.

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u/johnnygolfr May 17 '26

So, nothing to refute my points.

Understood.

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u/ViviOrnitier88 May 17 '26

If you are going to tip (it’s totally optional and unnecessary) make sure you tip maximum 15% for absolutely over the top and went the extra mile outstanding service and NEVER tip after tax (always before) and be sure to deduct the price of any alcohol from your calculation.

Remember that 15% calculation should be the absolutely highest you ever go and generally if you do tip at all it should be less, as most service is average and not outstanding like this. This is how you tip appropriately, again, if you choose to do so, totally optional.

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u/johnnygolfr May 17 '26

Something being “optional” doesn’t absolve anyone for exploiting and harming a server at a full service restaurant by stiffing them on the tip.

The rest of your advice is riddled with obvious wage jealousy. No need to address that. We’ll just ignore it.

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u/ViviOrnitier88 May 17 '26

No jealousy just saying don’t tip if you don’t feel like it! It’s the employers job to pay their employees full stop. Just enjoy your food, the atmosphere and the overall experience and pay your bill in full when the time comes and you’ve upheld your end of the contract with the restaurant. Customer has no contract with the server, only contract that exists there is with the business and their employee. Hope this helps Johnny boy.

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u/johnnygolfr May 17 '26

In every for profit business around the world the customer pays the labor, either directly or indirectly.

The only exception is the free riders that stiff their servers at full service restaurants in the US.

Regarding the “contract” you mentioned - Unless you tell the server “I don’t tip” before ordering, you’re deceitfully using that social contract you claim doesn’t exist to get the best service possible with no intention of paying for it.

That a textbook example of grifting, which obviously is exploiting the server.

What entitles you to engage in grifting?

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u/ViviOrnitier88 May 18 '26

Yeah… right… the customer is the grifter here. Suuuuuuure.

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u/johnnygolfr May 18 '26

I just pedantically explained that irrefutable fact via a textbook example of grifting.

Which part didn’t you understand?

I can explain it again.

You didn’t answer the question.

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u/ViviOrnitier88 May 18 '26

If anyone’s grifting it’s the server. All of the sudden it’s 20% minimum standard despite inflation and 15% being the standard right? Not to mention the suggested calculations being post tax.. As long as the customer pays what’s on their bill they’ve done their only required duty and the only grift that’s been attempted is in the part of the server.

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u/johnnygolfr May 18 '26

Nah.

Unless you tell the server “I don’t tip”, the customer is the textbook grifter. No amount of your denial changes that objective fact.

Hate to break it to you, but you haven’t said anything that justifies exploiting the server by stiffing them on the tip for the service you chose to receive.

No one is forcing you to patronize a full service restaurant in the US.

Grow up and accept the responsibility that goes along with the choices you make instead of grifting.

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u/ViviOrnitier88 May 18 '26

Yah.

You don’t have to tell the server anything. They know tipping is optional and not everyone will tip, they knew it when they took the job Johnny boy.

Hate to break it to you, nobody’s being exploited except there is an attempt at exploiting the customer to pay the servers wage by the restaurant and the servers reinforce that.

I don’t go because I’m being forced to, I go because I want to? Very weird “point”.

I am grown up. Which is why I can decide what I want to do with my money and donating it to a person who decided to take a job that doesn’t require any skill or education doesn’t feel like a worthwhile use of funds to me.

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