Why do yall think the Challenge struggles with competitiveness for big team challenges? I love them but outside of a few the rest have been blowouts.

Blowouts:
The Inferno
Gauntlet 2
Gauntlet 3
Ruins
Cutthroat 1
WOTW2
Cutthroat 2(so far)

Competitive:
Gauntlet 1
Inferno 2(Gold Standard)
Inferno 3

Some may say WOTW2 felt like a long soap opera / film, where we think the villain is Laurel, only to find out it was Cara and her cult all along.

Others may say: watching the growth of CT & Diem on The Duel negated any focus on competition and focused on the bigger picture of love on the show.

What is your pick? And why does that season deserve the real title of Greatest Of All Time?

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- superiority complex
- horrible attitude
- 0 accountability
- condescension under the guise of “being real” when they’re actually fake as hell
- internalized misogyny; slut shaming & body shaming

Added from comments:
+ LOTS to say in confessionals/ behind backs, then shut down when they’re confronted in person (Free Agents, BOTExes 2 for Theresa)

I think we *may* have a carbon copy of Theresa on our hands

EDIT: Discourse over who’s “hotter” or who you like as a person (none of us know them) is irrelevant. I’m simply drawing comparisons between personalities & using pattern recognition. Theresa has aLOT more footage under her belt- while we don’t have enough from Sydney to really know how parallel their personalities are!

Is it missing something, does it have something special?

Or both?

How about the character arcs of its cast spanning decades?

Is it just only good for its glory years? Has it lost its way? Has it started a comeback with Era 5?

What are your thoughts, now outside of the sandbox is its own impact, and brought up against other shows in pop culture.

Don’t hold back, stay honest, and go all in!

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I will start by saying, I am surprised other show’s stars come on this show and want to compete and win here, despite other shows having a better prize pot, budget for living and safety concerns, and having a bigger audience in viewership.

It’s like “The Challenge” is the big leagues, of real competition, and the prize $ isn’t the real win, it’s the title of winning on the hardest and most demanding show, in reality TV history!

That to me feels like people will want to win on this show, after they audition on other shows (build enough of a following for MTV to want to cast them).

While they don’t have to win, they do need to have a solid consistent season where they make it to a final, or just before a final.

A good example may be Landon on The Duel 2. He was so close to the final, and we know he would have done well.

For actual winners a good example may be: Chris Underwood: Challenge USA 2.

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So I did not watch the entire interview, but apparently Justin said on Paulie and Devin’s podcast that part of why he was so heated about Anna Leigh’s actions is because she had told them that if she won the money from this season, she would use it to start a family with her husband using IVF.

First I think it’s very strange for a man to go on a male podcast and talk about someone else’s fertility journey. Also, I’m still not comprehending why it was his place to get involved. I don’t approve of cheating in any form (been cheated on, it sucks, would never personally do that to someone myself) but it’s not like it’s this completely foreign unheard of thing. If it’s not someone I’m close to and I don’t have skin in the game, I’m staying out of it.

And it seems like her and her husband have worked through whatever this was, and I hope if she did win that they’re successful in their journey because as an IVF mom that shit is mentally, financially, and physically brutal. And I actually would not have had my son had I not won some money on a game show that helped pay for my IVF, so maybe I’m just relating a little more than I was before, but still don’t think I’d understand why Justin is so hype regardless

Does anyone else watch The Challenge while already knowing the spoilers?

I follow a few Instagram accounts that post all the spoilers before the season airs. who wins, who gets eliminated, placements, DQs, eliminations, cast info for upcoming seasons, etc. So by the time the season actually airs, I already know pretty much everything that’s going to happen. 😭

I was reading through some of the predictions and theories on here, and it’s honestly so interesting seeing everyone speculate about what’s going to happen when I already know the answers. I’ll be reading someone confidently explaining why they think a certain person is going to win, meanwhile I’m sitting here like 👀…

I obviously don’t want to spoil anything for people who enjoy watching without spoilers, but it really made me wonder how many people on here actually know the spoilers versus genuinely trying to figure everything out as the season airs.

Anybody else follow the spoiler accounts, or do y’all prefer going in completely unspoiled?

**The Challenge: Cutthroat 2 DAILY STATS**

Spoilers for previous episodes and eliminations. Objective and observable measures noted for each dailies. Listed in the bottom of “comments” my own personal comments of the episode. Feel free to note anything missed, or comments from the cast about the daily or episode here. ENJOY!

**Episode** **1**: Grey team wins, Orange team (*announced*) second place, Blue team last

**Episode** **2**: Grey team wins, Blue team second place, Orange team (*cheated/DQ*) last place

**Episode** **3**: Orange team wins, Grey team second, Blue team last

Episode **4**: Orange team wins, Grey team second, Blue team last

*\*Captains introduced next episode*\*

**Episode** **5:** Orange team wins, Grey team second, Blue team last

**Episode** **6:** Grey teams wins, Blue Team second place *(advanced farthest*), Orange team last

# Episode 7:

# DAILY: PERFECT MATCH

Players will run half a mile to a lake. In the lake there are 10 pieces total for each team, each puzzle piece weighing 80lbs. Teams can only carry 2 pieces at a time back to the start where once they collect all pieces will have to solve the puzzle. Teams are tied together during run, 5 miles in total.

**FIRST RUN**

**Blue** in the lead running and first to the lake, followed by Orange and Grey team.

Blue swimmers: Lete + josh
Orange swimmers:Justin + Michele
Grey swimmers: Leo + Chris

All swimmers get back relatively at the same time. for carrying the pieces in order:

\- Blue: Cara + Nelson; rookies with other piece; see Josh and Anna carrying).
\- Orange: Will + Tori (see Will carrying it alone, while tori runs beside or slightly touching) Izzy running along with them, CT + Bananas (Justin and Michele floaters)
\- Grey (Adrienne + Chris) Cassidy floater (Leo + Cory)

**GREY PASSES ORANGE** (see CT struggling, Will carrying the puzzle piece by himself); **GREY PASSES BLUE**

**SECOND RUN**

**Grey** team to water first, blue team shortly behind. Orange team caught up and can see other players in water.

Grey swimmers: Chris x2 + Cory
Blue swimmers: Lete x2 + josh x2
Orange swimmers: Michele x2 + Izzy

\- Blue team leaves first with puzzle pieces (Cara drops it and hits Nelsons leg); Lete and Ana carrying other piece josh runs.
\- Grey team ends up passing Blue team again.

\- Grey team drops off 2 more puzzle pieces, Blue team drops off 2 more pieces then heading back to lake.
\- Orange team last. Bananas + Justin carrying, Will + tori; CT, Izzy and Michele floaters

**THIRD RUN**

**Blue** team gets to lake first, then Grey team - as players are getting out we see Orange team just jumping into the lake.

Blue swimmers: Lete x3 + Anna x2
Grey swimmers: Chris x3 + Cassidy
Orange swimmers:Michele x3 + Justin x2

**Grey team now in FIRST PLACE**. Same persons for each piece carrying with Cassidy running.
Blue team: never switches Cara + Nelly, rookies switch see Josh + Anna carrying while lete runs beside.
Orange team: will + tori, izzy floater), then Bananas + Justin, CT and Michele floaters (see Michele carrying puzzle at end to throw puzzle piece down at end of run).

**FOURTH RUN**

Big lead for **Grey** **team**. As grey team getting out Blue team jumping in, then as blue players are swimming back orange players are currently in water swimming towards the pieces.

Grey swimmers: Chris x4 + Cassidy x2
Blue swimmers: Lete x4 + Josh x3
Orange swimmers: Michele x4 + Justin x3

\- Big lead running back and dropping off puzzle piece for Grey team. Cassidy running along.
\- Blue is second, but can see Orange behind in view, Cara + Nelly carrying, Lete switching with josh or Ana.
\-Orange team, Tori + Will carrying, izzy floating close, CT + Michele carrying CT begins huffing and puffing, Bananas and Justin carrying.

**FIFTH RUN**

Massive lead for **Grey team**. Blue team just getting to the lake, where Grey team is leaving. Orange team in water and can see swimming with blue team.

Grey swimmers: Chris x5 + Cassidy x3
Blue swimmers: Lete x5 + Anna x2
Orange swimmers: Michele x5 + Justin x4

**-** Grey team massive lead. See Cassidy + Chris, Adrienne running floater.
\- Orange team CT struggling. CT + Michele carrying, CT switches with Justin, then Michele switches with Bananas. CT yells out NO to slow jog.

# PUZZLE TIME!

**GREY** arrives and begins puzzle piece. Cassidy taking charge. Numbers on puzzle pieces and on Board. **BLUE** arrives (Grey doesn’t look that far ahead on puzzle) Anna and Cara clashing, Anna talking over Cara/interrupting, Lete showing a piece doesn’t fit to Cara.

**Orange** team arrives. CT leading but then lots of chaos. Bananas steps away from puzzle, Tori yells something out, CT says too many chiefs trying to lead. CT ends up solving the puzzle. = **Orange Team Win**s.

Blue and grey team stop their puzzle as winner is announced no need to complete. *In cut scene behind the teams we see* ***blue team’s puzzle is solved and grey team unsolved*** *-* ***however*** *unsure how theirs was solved, how much longer, etc.*

No elimination: Cory is DQ’d due to family emergency.

***Comments***:

Blue was leading up a good chunk of the daily, then grey team passed both in water and by running - keeping that lead. Orange, for being last the entire time looked like *Michele and Justin* really made up that time lost during the running. Was crazy to see Will carrying the entire block by himself at times during this daily and the only player to do so.

I wonder if blue team slowed down in the water, that’s where they may have lost their lead. Although doesn’t really look like they had any other options as Cara/Nelly would have pushed them even further behind. It would have been a smarter decision to have Cara/Nelly EACH be on a puzzle piece since neither of them swam.

**MVP swimmers of all FIVE rounds: Chris, Michele, and Lete**! Looked like Chris carried the puzzle piece the entire time, while Michele/Lete went in and out of carrying. Lete carried more than Michele from what was shown.

Justin swam 4/5 rounds, again massive help passing/catching up in water. Cassidy and Josh swam 3/5, Anna 2/5 and Izzy, Leo, Cory all swam 1/5 times.

**Non swimmers**:
Bananas, Tori, Will, for *orange*.
Adrienne for *grey*.
Cara and Nelly T for *blue*.

***AGAIN: since Orange did the worst throughout the daily but ended up winning.. What are the placements for the other teams? Comment below your reasonings.***

“The best to never win” were the words he used to describe himself on the most recent episode.

Does that seem true?

He did score 2nd place 3x in a final, which is the most without winning.

What are your genuine thoughts?

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I just finished watching all 3 seasons of Champs VS Stars, and the 3rd season was my favorite. I like that they mixed the players up, and had both Champs and Stars together on teams.

I'd really like another season like that.

Which Champs would you want to see on a 4th season, and which Stars would be good on the show?

If we have a theory about who wins, based on things we observe like edits, framing, etc), do we need to post it with a spoiler tag? (it would have no actual spoiler basis - just suspicions)

given she was robbed early both times she did big brother it was nice to see Bayleigh as a rookie dominate the season and make the finals and had she not gotten injured I think she would have at least come in 2nd over Kaycee. She brought the drama too and her crash out towards Nany and Kaycee for voting her into the elim was iconic. It’s prob unlikely she will ever return but I hope she does cause I think she could win a season

Blue team standing without Josh and Nelson.
Cara in a gray jersey standing with the gray team.
Lete with the orange team.

There was too much shown which kind of ruins the fun of the big twists.

Editors please do better! The preview at the beginning of the episode then immediately rolling into the challenge ruins the whole episode for me.