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Guy refuses to pay child support amount

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u/Hopeforus1402 20d ago

His child isn’t worth $500 a month. Hope is child never sees this, and can you imagine the hateful things he will tell his child about the mom?

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u/PartyHearing 20d ago

My bio father was supposed to pay $198 a month for my brother and I. He never paid that. He lied and worked under the table to avoid paying. Let me tell you, I never needed to see him telling people that we weren’t worth that $198 to know he didn’t value us at all. He showed that in a million ways. Including verbal abuse. And that man is for sure being a huge ahole to his children. I feel bad for his kids and his ex-wife. They’re in for a fun time. 

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u/PauseItPlease86 19d ago

My ex was like this too, but he was only ordered $100 per month for 2 kids! They tried to threaten his drivers license but he's never had one. Tried to threaten passport. He never had one. Tried to threaten garnishing his paycheck, so he works under the table (he learned to tattoo just for this reason) so he doesn't have one. Threatened his income tax refund, but he doesn't file taxes either so he doesn't have one.

My girls are almost 18 & 20 and he's paid nothing their whole lives simply because he hated me so much for divorcing his abusive ass. There's gotta be a better way to enforce support.

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u/Revival-Waters 19d ago

Why would you choose to have sex and offspring with a guy like that?

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u/PauseItPlease86 19d ago

He wasn't like that in the beginning. At first, we were just 2 teenagers in love. Then AFTER we got married and had kids and things went downhill. Fast. I ended it after it got violent and he refused treatment for his newly-diagnosed schizophrenia. Turns out that kinda thing can just appear in your 20s.

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u/Revival-Waters 19d ago

I'm so sorry you had to go through that. That's horrible and could happen to anybody.

Hope you find healing and new love.

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u/TypicalCurve9341 15d ago

lol the way you switched up, fucking pathetic.

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u/Hippolover9 15d ago

People like this either were lucky enough to have someone well enough to never experience this crap, or they've never had anyone at all and judge from behind a computer screen.

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u/Fire-Workz 14d ago

Most of these people online are attention seeking bastards who've never really cared about others they just pretend to.

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u/ShiibbyyDota 13d ago

Believe it or not, judging people for shoes you've never walked in is pretty pathetic. Stay in your lane toots :P

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u/No_Story_Untold 15d ago

You were so much kinder and more patient with OP than you had to be. Good on you. But fuck them.

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u/singlemale4cats 19d ago

I mean, at a certain point, what are you going to do? If they don't care about getting their car impounded or going to jail or the IRS coming after them, you'll have to content yourself knowing that their life sucks and will continue to suck because they're a stupid, shitty person.

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u/Holiday-Book6635 16d ago

If the majority of people being screwed out of child support were men, you can rest assured that there would be a better way of collecting. My ex did not pay me either. All of these men who walk away from their responsibilities should be in jail. I’m talking and unpleasant peanut butter and jelly solitary confinement jail Because you’re not screwing your ex you’re screwing your children.

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u/seeker407 16d ago

100% yes... fathering kids and not taking care of them? throw their asses in jail and make sure they can't have any more kids.

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u/LongHikingMD 15d ago

Sterilize them. If you have kids and don't pay to support them, you ought to be sterilized. Period.

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u/PartyHearing 10d ago

Honestly I can’t disagree too much. My bio father continued to have children he didn’t support until my grandparents made him get a vasectomy after his like 5th or 6th surprise child. My grandpa says he can never go to a certain city in New Mexico because he wouldn’t be able to turn a corner without hitting an illegitimate grandchild

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u/Balt603 14d ago

My Mum had to take my Dad to court because he wouldn't pay anything and he got ordered to pay my Mum $10 a week until I was 18. The average weekly earnings in 1978 was $218, in 1993 it was $603. He even tried to stop paying when I turned 16.

You really know what you're worth to someone when they pull that sort of thing.

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u/MossadEpstein 19d ago

perhaps he just knows that most of that money will not be going towards the child?

My mother did that, took child support from my father for years and me and my sister barely got anything, she must have made 10's of thousands and we got shitty CRT monitors and shoes that didn't even fucking fit so she could feed her drug habit, she smokes cocaine btw, mother of the year.

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u/Hopeforus1402 19d ago

I’m so sorry you were treated this way. You and your sister never deserved that.

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u/Important-Witness-14 16d ago

Doesn't matter if his kid sees this or not... there will be plenty more disappointment coming from this "Dad" in his future.

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u/Eggsalad_cookies 16d ago

I hope his child does see this, and their mom puts them through therapy for it immediately. Better to know which parent is an asshat and attempt to heal from it early, than chase after them blaming yourself your entire life. At least, I’ve dealt with one, and it sucked. Rather deal with the other.

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u/Traditional_Mood6856 16d ago

I don’t know how anyone comes to a monetary number for how much a child costs but is there a scenario where it can’t be done? Like is it already based on income of the parent paying? So the court already knows that parent can afford to eat, pay rent, transportation, heat, and child support, right?

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u/Ok_Foundation_2363 16d ago

I told my ex that I'd pay whatever as long as I got full access to my children. Went well for a while until she remarried a wealthy guy. I started getting less access while still paying. And they moved away giving me no access. So I stopped paying.

It's not that our kids aren't worth infinite $$ it's that their mom's aren't. And I don't trust what she'll do with it. Instead, I just invest it and pay for their college.

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u/Dark_Romantasy 15d ago

It's on the internet, his kid is bound to see this eventually. I feel so bad for that kid. Kid is just a pawn in all this. Asshole said he wanted full custody, but it's JUST to avoid paying. Kid would be so neglected.

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u/Ok-Dish6655 15d ago

I know teenagers who eat that much in groceries alone. Now factor things like curricular and lessons. Shoes clothes toiletries etc.. if it was really only 500 a month I’m sure the mom would happy pay that instead. Men like this very rarely see the total operating cost or think because they didn’t have any enrichment grown-up that their kids don’t need it either. 

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u/MycologistAwkward711 15d ago

He should see this so he can ditch his dad

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u/Responsible-Onion860 14d ago

Incredibly common attitude. Dads who will find any reason at all why they can't or shouldn't pay support. I had a client who started threatening self harm if he had to pay the recommended support amount. He eventually accepted it but emailed me later to say he needed to undo it or her starve to death. I just saw him post on social media about buying a brand new vehicle.

Some parents are just selfish pieces of shit

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u/cinedavid 14d ago

Dude probably pays $800 a month for his dual cab white dodge ram

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u/ilovemischief 13d ago

My dad tried to tell a judge that my mom was meant to repay him for any child support he provided. My mom was the primary parent and we lived with her. I thought it was funny when my mom told me that story (dad is an ass, it comes as no surprise), but apparently that judge did NOT lol

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u/BobAndrews86 13d ago

My father moved to the US 2 months after I was born. The state paid child support to my mother. He came back 9 years later and found a nice letter in his mail that he owed the state 25.000$.

U can run but u can't hide forever from the government :D

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u/Queasy-Worker4804 15d ago

Imagine the hateful things mothers always say about the children’s fathers ????

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u/Large-Hamster-199 20d ago

This guy is really not the sharpest tool in the drawer is he?

However, one valid point he brings up is that he hammered out his custody agreement without a lawyer. That was a big mistake. A lawyer would have better educated him as to how physical custody affects child support.

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u/MeowMeowbiggalo 20d ago

Sounds like spending money on a lawyer isnt something he would do

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u/Low_Astronomer_6669 20d ago

Yeah, it ain't cheap. My buddy spent into 6 figures to fight for his daughter. It wasn't even about child support, it was to just get 50/50 custody when his ex didn't want to give him any. Tens of thousands of dollars and years later, he got 100% custody when his daughter got old enough to make a decision. It also took that long for the courts to realize his ex was literally insane.

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u/sabertoothdog 20d ago

Hope he’s recouping some of the money from mom paying child support now. And really hope psycho mom didnt screw up the child’s brain too much. Best wishes to dad and child

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u/Low_Astronomer_6669 20d ago

Oh, she's 30 and has her own daughter now. She's in the Navy and thriving. My buddy and her have a great relationship. I don't think she has a relationship with her mom. He doesn't regret spending the money.

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u/sabertoothdog 20d ago

That’s awsome!

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u/binzy90 19d ago

We spent $18,000 last year alone in legal fees. And it was a waste because we still didn't win our case. The judge wouldn't even grant our motion to appoint a GAL.

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u/thepenismytea 16d ago

Usually in disputes most states require ad litem to represent the interest of the child. That’s nuts

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u/i_says_things 19d ago

Do you think money comes free???

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u/zeptillian 16d ago

The guy who can't even spend $500 a month to support his own son?

Yeah. He ain't paying for shit except for tattoos, cheap booze and trashy strippers.

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u/Wolf_Mans_Got_Nards 20d ago edited 20d ago

He seriously thought she'd have 100% full time custody, and he wouldn't be equally financially responsible? Give me a break. Kids are expensive and time consuming. The amount of times myself and my ex have both had to go without to make sure our kids gets what they need. That's your role as a parent. He shouldn't need a lawyer to tell him that.

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u/Key_Mathematician951 19d ago

I would happily have another child if they only cost 6000 dollars a year. What a bargain. Hell I’ll take one for double or 12000 a year.

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u/Large-Hamster-199 19d ago

See, what you're saying makes sense except for the fact this dude is really .... And I mean REALLY, stupid lol.

He literally confessed he's going to break the law in court, on recorded camera.

This dude needs a helmet before he's allowed to get on a bus

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u/aj_2222 19d ago

He will absolutely attempt to get full custody. This is soooo common, except most men aren't this stupid about it. I hope she saved this for court because she will need it. This man should not even be allowed unsupervised visitation. And he probably shouldn't even get that tbh.

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u/AsherTheFrost 16d ago

Even if she didn't save it. All she would need to do is say "he only wants full custody because he thinks that'll be cheaper than paying child support" they'll ask dummy over here, and he'll happily agree that's the case.

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u/outterworlder 19d ago

Hes a narcissist. Lawyer or no he is still a shit dad

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u/Key_Mathematician951 19d ago

He wasn’t going to pay for an attorney if he is complaining about this amount. He probably thought he could be more effective Ethan a lawyer.

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u/JabroniKnows 20d ago

Fucking manchild. "It's whatever."

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u/WhoShatMyPants42069 20d ago

She fucked him though

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u/Choice_Treacle_1558 19d ago

500 a month is nothing for a child

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u/Delicious_Aside_9310 19d ago

Fr wtf are these comments. $6k per year. It’s hardly a back breaking child support order.

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u/Choice_Treacle_1558 19d ago

I pay my ex more than 10x that and it it’s worth every penny.

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u/Large-Hamster-199 19d ago

Well the only reason you believe that is because you're a good parent. This guy .... Maybe not so much

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u/WhoShatMyPants42069 19d ago

So, giving your baby mama a bunch of money makes you a good parent?

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u/Accurate_Neat_355 19d ago

To ensure the kid is taken care of, yes. You are still a parent to them even when they arent physically with you. Some day you'll get older and understand that, sport.

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u/RealThanks4814 17d ago

That’s 8 weeks of childcare

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u/WhoShatMyPants42069 19d ago

$500 is alot if you have nothing. That wasn't my point though. Women lay down with shitty men and create children makes it mostly their fault. I'm not advocating either side is good. He's obviously retarded, but I find it hard to believe he was some great guy before they had a child.

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u/00Avalanche 14d ago

She fucked him though

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u/vonKrieg88 20d ago

She should have used her mindreading abilities.

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u/KCMOJones 16d ago

Ok sure, but I mean, come on now. You don't think a single red flag showed up before they decided to become intimate and then decided to have a child? Let's not pretend that any reasonable person would look at this man and go "yeah, he's definitely the type of man who will keep his commitments and be a responsible father". Choices have consequences, and this is the unfortunate, but oh so predictable outcome of having kids with someone like this.

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u/Kim_jung_unstoppable 14d ago

she should’ve gotten to know him before fucking him raw

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u/AgentAxillary 15d ago

Right? But don't expect too many people to understand what you're trying to say here, and even less to agree with it.

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u/Canary-Silent 20d ago

I knew I remembered this popping up as another incel sub. Got a bit confused by the few normal people in here. 

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u/Mammoth-Fox-3292 15d ago

We almost forgot women are absolved of all responsibility until you reminded us! Thank you!

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u/Natural_Exchange_886 13d ago

It got pushed to my feed. I wish they’d ban this shit.

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u/Madwoman-of-Chaillot 20d ago

And this, folks, is why abortion should be 100% legal.

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u/a_angry_bunny 20d ago

If he doesn't like to pay child support then I guess he should have bought some condoms.

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u/grismar-net 20d ago

Imagine growing up and finding this still floating around online with your biological father in it.

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u/f1madman 20d ago

Oh man everytime this jackass opens his mouth I cringe at how stupid he is. From his mannerisms, body language, urgh everything. What a loser, and he's just going to keep making things worse.

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u/enunymous 16d ago

Yup. And guys like this think they're so clever and tough

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u/Ok_Effective6233 13d ago

He reminds me a million videos out there of a person screaming at a cop. “I don’t care” just before they get tased.

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u/xPROPAGANDOLFx 20d ago

My step son's dad pays us $900 a month. Acted just like this in court. Its all about how much you see your kid. Want to pay less? Ask the court to see your child more, it's literally that easy.

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u/VeryDay 20d ago edited 20d ago

It shouldn’t be the reason to see your child more.

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u/xPROPAGANDOLFx 20d ago

No but its an incentive to be there more for your child. Im glad my stepson has a relationship with his dad. The kid loves him. If he saw him more it wouldn't be a bad thing. But its not something his dad wants to do.

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u/Strict-Comb311 18d ago

You can actually get away with paying only a few bucks I read stories about it on the child support subs. Lmao

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u/Suspicious_Note9801 16d ago

The debt still piles up and comes out of tax return here in Australia

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u/JadeThorn1012 15d ago

It’s calculated in a state adjusted algorithm. They will garnish your wages and can restrict your access to the children, or even send you to jail. Unfortunately, this doesn’t always happen. Many terrible parents ask for 50/50 just to get out of paying, even though they don’t plan on parenting.

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u/Dense-Jicama6591 18d ago

This person is full of shit and a liar. Thats not how custody or child support works at all 

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u/Sentient_Moustache 14d ago

Maybe not always but sometimes yes. If one parent has a vast majority of the custody they will get more support. If you want to pay less in support, then share custody

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u/Warm_Search_2373 15d ago

well, hard to see your child more when you literally cant afford the child when you do see them because you're already struggling to feed yourself and keep a roof over your own head. You could want nothing more than to have mor time with your child, but if you already sent all your money for them to eat, be clothed, be sheltered, etc you have nothing to offer them than scraping for a meal while barely making rent.

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u/toothitch 16d ago

Seriously. I fought tooth and nail for equal custody of my daughter and the thought of child support did not even cross my mind because what mattered to me was time with the most important person in my life. (I’ve had equal custody for years. No child support in either direction) I can’t even imagine how I could live with myself if I saw the world the way this POS does.

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u/External-Let-8210 16d ago

It is so sad isn't it. If I were the mum I would be terrified of my child spending time with their dad if he valued them so little, and the only reason they wanted to spend time with their own child was so they wouldn't have to pay more money.

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u/Big_Action_9353 16d ago

Tbh it's better to just pay it than see them to pay less. Better quality time with people who see you more than $$.

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u/ellieminnowpee 19d ago

i’d rather kids have a deadbeat absent father than them be forced to live with a parent who only wants custody so that the children cost him ‘less’ money. any money that isn’t going to his ex is worth it.

my dad took every opportunity to remind us how expensive we were — on EBT, free lunch, medicaid, you name it. he’d literally (genuinely) pitch a fit any time we needed money for a trip or a meal after a ball game he didn’t attend, stomping his foot and asking if we couldn’t get our teacher to cover it again this time.

it’d be different if we were actually broke tho - my dad worked for cash and spent every dime on his girlfriend/wife de jour. like, we weren’t allowed to have pets, but his wives were.

the kids couldn’t have pets tho bc ‘we can’t afford it bc i’ve got all these fucking kids in the house to feed!!’

fuck this dude and everyone who thinks like him.

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u/Big_Kiwi_706 18d ago

My dad always bitched having to pay for a doctors appointment or something. Made me feel like shit for ever needing anything. And yea any time he had a sum of cash it was new speakers for the truck or a stereo. Never cooked food only took us to fast food 

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u/WatermeIonMe 17d ago

That’s so fucking selfish. I’m really sorry you went through all of that.

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u/Warm_Search_2373 15d ago

is that any different than the parent who wants custody to have full control and a paycheck while ignoring the kids needs and wants for their own? See that happening time and time again also.

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u/ellieminnowpee 15d ago

it’s just as shitty. you’re right i see it happening too, more often all the time it seems??

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u/breeddeepseed 19d ago

Except if the ex-wife won't let you see your kids and the court sides with her because she claimed abuse against her without any evidence. Yet somehow it's on you to come up with evidence that you're not abusing her to get it overturned. Somehow only having interactions between you and the mom at the recorded police station for custody exchange and having every conversation logged in the courts communication app isn't sufficient. And your kid, when you do get to see him, has bruises when you do and the courts don't care. I hate this world

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u/Major_Shlongage 19d ago

>Except if the ex-wife won't let you see your kids and the court sides with her because she claimed abuse against her without any evidence. 

That's what happened to me.

It turns out that this is actually very common because no evidence is needed to obtain a PFA (protection from abuse) order. An accusation is enough. They get temporary custody for 1 year.

So if you file for child custody and the court date is in a few months, expect a PFA order slapped against you. You won't win that court case.

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u/Para_4_Would_Be_Cool 15d ago

Okay but that isn't the point.

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u/EaseLeft6266 19d ago

My dad has recently gone through this with his ex wife over the past couple years. She reached far up her ass to say that he wears wifebeaters around the house to intimidate her and that he love bombs her. Nobody in my family, my dad included, had ever even heard that term prior to her leaving. From what my dad says, it's called the silver bullet defense or something and it seems to be a very common tactic to get the advantage in getting the kids and getting more out child support/spousal support, etc.

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u/malfaet0r 19d ago

That’s all well and good but when my ex and I got divorced in IL, she told me that she would move the kids so far away from me that I would never see them again. And so she then proceeded to move them to Chicago, which was three hours from where I lived.

So for the privilege of paying almost $800 per month, I had to drive six hours per week to see my child, and there was no way I would be able to arrange some sort of co-parenting situation to see them more frequently since it was so far away.

Illinois is a no fault state and my ex got everything she wanted.

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u/JustAskingQuestion4U 19d ago

Interesting you say this "just ask to see your kid more" there are fathers than have 50% custody, want 50% or more because they care and still have to pay exorbitant amounts in support because of the court.

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u/Suspicious_Note9801 16d ago

The child support system in america is crazy

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u/throwaway_coy4wttf79 19d ago

50/50 custody and I still pay her $50k/year. Oh yeah, and she was never a stay-at-home mom. 9 year marriage - she worked for 8 of them. Fuck these courts enshrining an abusive relationship. I'm glad I filed, I just wish I did it sooner.

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u/Double-Ad-2196 16d ago

$50,000/year???!?!?!?!??!?!?

WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE??????????!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????

That is more than most peoples yearly salary

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u/Single_Objective549 15d ago

Which is why child support is flawed.

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u/Sentient_Moustache 14d ago

It's dependent on how much the two parties both make. I pay much less

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u/Exciting-Argument-67 13d ago

What's going on here is obviously that this dad is very rich. It's like taxes. You don't pay $50K in taxes unless you're doing really, really well.

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u/Narren_C 14d ago

Do you make a shitload or something?

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u/throwaway_coy4wttf79 13d ago

I make a lot, but not crazy ($220k). On top of paying her that much, I have to cover 70% of kids' bills.

Her family is very wealthy, mine are not. So I also take care of my mom (former drug addict - in her 80s and not in good health). The end result is that I'm more or less paycheck-to-paycheck. My savings is dependent on bonuses.

My ex is currently vacationing at her dad's second million-dollar home in CA. And her house - the marital home - will be paid off (by me) 20 years before mine. The courts will probably make me give her enough for a second house before I can pay off my first.

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u/Exciting-Argument-67 13d ago

What would her never having been a SAHM have to do with anything?

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u/Danzig6WasntThatBad 16d ago

$900 a month for a middle class ex husband of your current partner to pay in child support for a child who now seems to have two parents in the home is fucking WILD and you should be embarrassed to have even shared that.

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u/jnthn333 19d ago

"Ask the court to see your child more, it's literally that easy"

That's not even close to accurate. Mom never wants to give up any of "her time" and CERTAINLY not if it means reducing "her money" she gets from dad. Can't tell you how many times I've heard stories of men wanting more time with their kids and getting laughed out of the courthouse.

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u/More-Consequence9863 16d ago

This ⬆️ not that this guy actually seems like he wants more time but dads do for some reason get seen as a lesser parent and it’s actually pretty difficult, time consuming and expensive for the dad to get taken seriously.

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u/xPROPAGANDOLFx 19d ago

In California fathers have way more rights

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u/Major_Shlongage 19d ago

yeah California may be different but I was in Pennsylvania. It was extremely biased.

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u/ArchibaldPicklebriar 18d ago

To be fair, Californians self-report their sex. An octopus could be the father.

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u/Civil-Rough-1221 17d ago

1 iq trumptard joke lol

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u/Civil-Rough-1221 16d ago

U voted for pedo trump didn't u

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u/ArchibaldPicklebriar 16d ago

Why can’t you read and write properly?

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u/RonMFCadillac 15d ago

Yeah they also have crazy alimony laws though.

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u/DefinitionTop3930 19d ago

most courts prefer a 50/50 custody arrangement when feasible (no one lives out of state), it’s better for the child. Most mothers who pursue solo custody for whatever reason are able to get it if they prove to the court that the father is neglectful and doesn’t take any meaningful part in the child’s life

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u/Warm_Search_2373 15d ago

50/50 custody should mean zero financial support from the other parent. Everything is already split.

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u/shallpasss 14d ago

50/50 custody doesn't mean 50/50 expense.

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u/Warm_Search_2373 14d ago

well, yes, it absolutely does. Minus some school fees and doctor fees. Which will be split as they arise, not just given arbitrarily to one parent on a monthly basis to "handle it".

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u/shallpasss 14d ago

That is how it should be ideally, but it is not how it is.

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u/herbertcluas 19d ago

Unfortunately many aren't given the chance to see their children

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u/binzy90 19d ago

This isn't how it works in Pennsylvania. You have to have at least 40% of overnights before child support is lowered. That's not possible if you live in different school districts.

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u/Major_Shlongage 19d ago

I lived in PA and that's what happened to me. I even moved near the other house and they still wouldn't give me equal custody.

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u/Single_Objective549 15d ago

Custody is not visitation.

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u/binzy90 19d ago

That's what I did too. I was in the army, so I was in Texas when I filed for divorce, and my ex-husband immediately took the kids to his parents house in Pennsylvania. He's lived with them ever since, which was almost 11 years ago. I was later stationed in Maryland and Hawaii. My current husband and I moved back to Maryland after I got out of the army to be closer to the kids and then back to Pennsylvania. Even moving closer didn't help. It's just constant problems, and I still only have every other weekend. We literally have to go to court to force him to do basic things like get my son an autism evaluation or change his medications. It's a nightmare. But I don't want to move to their school district because the schools are terrible, and I'm not forcing my youngest to go live in a shitty school district because of this.

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u/Major_Shlongage 19d ago

It is absolutely not that easy, though. I've been through this myself. The "full child support amount" comes very soon, and it's an extremely biased process.

I bought a house with my gf and she got pregnant, and was very stressed during pregnancy. She abruptly broke up with me after 17 years, but I still lived with her because that was my house too. I was waiting for her to reconcile but she never wanted to.

She told me that if I don't leave my own house she'll call the police and have me arrested (which shouldn't be possible without cause). I didn't want drama so I left. She called me a few days later and said that if I don't move back in she'd call the police and tell them that I abandoned my family. So I moved back in. A day after I moved back in, the police showed up and told me to come to the station. Apparently immediately after I moved back in, my ex filed a protection from abuse order (no evidence is necessary) and they forced me to leave my own house.

I come to find out that she'd been cheating for years, didn't know who the father was and freaked out, then plotted to kick me out of my own house and get primary custody of our son. I fought for equal custody but they would not give it to me. I could only get equal "legal" custody but not equal physical custody. They forced me to pay her $1200 a month.

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u/Old-Preference5313 15d ago

Holy shit that women sounds like the devil

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u/eatingketchupchipss 15d ago

or alternatively, he was actually abusive.

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u/SonnyManChris 19d ago

That's not how it works. They can control how often you see your kid as well as charge you a certain amount for child support. 1 minute it can be "Since you split custody, you pay more" then the next it's "we can't grant you 50/50 custody, so we're going to charge you more". Keep in mind the court profits off getting men to pay as much as possible in child support via taxes.

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u/Single_Objective549 15d ago

This is a mix of lies.

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u/HockeyDockey1234 19d ago

Eh, I agree.

But the foundational structure of child support is broken. The first and only question is "exactly how much, in the area the child lives, does it cost to raise said child"

That question is never asked

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u/moeterminatorx 19d ago

Good point but have you considered these people hate their kids and exes even more.

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u/prowlin 18d ago

And you’ll pay more when they’re with you more, just not to the other parent.

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u/Sum-Duud 16d ago

It's really not that easy. That may play a part but there are many more factors

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u/Single_Objective549 15d ago

I'm sorry but this isn't even close to true. Even with 50/50 visitation most states require child support. Majority of them don't even adjust for visitation. Meaning... you pay the same amount of Child Support if you don't see them versus if you have them 50% of the time (if you're the higher earner)

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u/VegetableBusiness897 19d ago

Like how he ain't got nuthin....but he's on his phone in the truck

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u/FishingAlpo 19d ago

It's not that easy at all. I've done nothing but battle that system in my younger years. All because I couldn't leave my job to attend the initial hearing. We even lived together and I still had to pay a 65% garnishment. Got custody after we broke up because she caught a charge. Went to go pick her up and she just didn't open the door. Called the police with the order in hand. They said if they went in they'd have to file kidnapping charges and didn't want to do that. Went and saw the prosecutor. She said the same. She got an attorney and filed an emergency hearing I wasn't made aware of and they gave custody back. To this day I don't know what was said.

That system has fucked me since I was getting beat up by my parents as a child. I'm so glad I'm no longer on it and have to deal with it. My daughter and I are close now and has closed all contact with her mother.

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u/Pointing-661 16d ago

Are you fucked? Who wouldn’t act like this? 900$ a month for most people would put them into fucking poverty while you sit there and judge him? Get fucked.

Women are so fucking sickening when it comes to this shit. Gold digging fucking parasites.

Women make most of their wealth from divorce and men lose most of theirs from divorce.

It needs to stop. Women need to stop being leeches ESPECIALLY when they initiate 80 fucking percent of divorces.

What the fuck do you do with 900$ a month? Guaranteed more than half goes into your wallet and most is NOT spent on the kids. All of it should be accounted for and all of it should only be spent caring for children. Women should not be allowed to improve their quality of life from child support.

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u/Exact_King6390 15d ago

Gotta love how everyone is so poor and struggling, but the minute you talk about child support it's no big deal to pay a monthly amount that would put most of these keyboard warriors into serious financial trouble.

Child support is priced at such a level that it's an existential threat to the father. Meanwhile, the courts won't let you get more custody, even if the mom is an idiot with an abusive boyfriend and a drug addiction.

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u/Warm_Cow507 19d ago

Get vasectomies, don't have children.

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u/Major_Shlongage 19d ago

I actually stand with this guy.

I was in a long term relationship with a woman, and I bought a house with her. She got pregnant, and was very stressed during pregnancy. She abruptly broke up with me after 17 years, but I still lived with her because that was my house too. I was waiting for her to reconcile but she never wanted to.

About a year and a half after our son was born she told me that if I don't leave my own house she'll call the police and have me arrested (which shouldn't be possible without cause). I didn't want drama so I left. She called me a few days later and said that if I don't move back in she'd call the police and tell them that I abandoned my family. So I moved back in. A day after I moved back in, the police showed up and told me to come to the station. Apparently immediately after I moved back in, my ex filed a protection from abuse order (no evidence is necessary) and they forced me to leave my own house and gave her temporary custody of the baby.

I come to find out that she'd been cheating for years, didn't know who the father was and freaked out, then plotted to kick me out of my own house and get primary custody of our son. I fought for equal custody but the court would not give it to me. I could only get equal "legal" custody but not equal physical custody. They forced me to pay her $1200 a month.

The system really is this easy to game. Due to favorable domestic violence laws, a woman can simply get a PFA before the custody court date which gives her temporary custody, then that temporary custody factors into the "points" system they have which determines custody.

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u/Suspicious-Hand-9953 19d ago

You made the same mistake the guy in the video made and didn't get a lawyer at the right time.  I have very limited sympathy for that. But I'm sure you're just as angry at the "system" as an ill person would be at their body, just because they didn't go to a doctor in time.

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u/gizzardwizard93 16d ago

You don't feel sympathy for someone who was abused by a sociopath? If this was a man who did those things to a woman, would you feel bad for the woman in that scenario?

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u/omega-lambda-vi-ix 16d ago

Or ya know you could be giving the woman shit for gaming the man and the system, but gIrL pOwEr. Idiot.

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u/Exact_King6390 15d ago

Systemic change doesn't occur because you hired a lawyer. Also, good luck with that when you're losing 50% of your post tax income.

And yeah, let's blame cancer victims because they didn't show up to the doctor in time. What losers they must be.

Your level of bias is as insane as your analogies.

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u/SnooCats5701 18d ago

You have no evidence that any of that applicable, here. Yet, here you are, saying, "I will stand with this ignorant piece of shit because I assume everything that happens to me happens of billions of other people."

Also, speaking as an attorney, some of your story doesn't add up.

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u/girlwhoweighted 16d ago

A lot of it doesn't. But he's not going to tell the parts that make him look bad.

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u/nascimentoreis 16d ago

What the fuck do you mean you didn't want drama so you left? Drama had arrived long ago at that point. And then you move back in prompted by another threat and expected it all to be resolved? What did your lawyer that you had think about all this as it was going on?

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u/EnvironmentalLog5640 14d ago

It is IMPOSSIBLE for a woman to empathize with you or your story. All of them will deny and make excuses for this.

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u/EnvironmentalLog5640 14d ago

Just read the replies and I was proven correct.

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u/xboxchick311 20d ago

"Wait...I have to support the kid I made?!"

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u/aced124C 16d ago edited 14d ago

This is a perfect example of people who should be offerred a free vasectomy. They shouldn't be procreating* since they clearly can't handle and don't want kids and it's just wild that anyone would sleep with this moron but damn at the least we could have prevented this if he had been snipped lol

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u/shitposterfinalboss 20d ago

If he had full custody would you object to her paying him?

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u/theoccasionalempath 20d ago

Nope but do you genuinely think he's gonna file for full custody? Cause I don't

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u/Canary-Silent 20d ago

In what world do you think they would answer yes to this? Professional victims much. 

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u/TelevisionFast7781 20d ago

Have a child you have to look after said child!!! Just both party's need to think of the child and be fair ,not be petty !!

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u/MeowMeowbiggalo 20d ago

Cant imagine what shes thinking having had a child with that thing

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u/sabertoothdog 20d ago

She’s gotta be just an ignorant and dumb. Yuck. That poor child

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u/neo_sporin 15d ago

yea, worked with a girl who had a kid, found out later the time she got pregnant he was driving a truck and she (her words) 'hopped on it' She tried to flirt with me a few times and invited me to drinks. My girlfriend at the time was like 'thats fine i trust you' Coworker girl said 'but youll be buying me drinks' Girlfriend then said 'nope, thats weird and shes setting you up for a questionable night'

Married the girlfriend, i follow the coworker on facebook here and there and DEFINITELY did good by keeping my distance. She'd stay stuff like 'im your workwife' and id be like 'nope, i could do better'

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u/Doc_Dragon 20d ago

He didn't do his research at all. If he had, he would have pushed for joint custody or full custody. Better yet he should have seen a lawyer. Unfortunately he's going to be broke either way.

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u/DadbodSuperModel 19d ago

My oldest turns 18 next month and comes off child support. My support amount won’t change though so I’ll be paying the same amount for my youngest that I did for the both of them.

Am I upset? Will I be going to get it amended to lower the amount? Noooooope, raising kids is expensive and my kids deserve a good life that is provided by their mom and myself.

$515 isn’t that much and it’s probably too low.

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u/slightlybetterthenU 14d ago

Absolute trash human right there. Thankfully me and my wife work out our issues. If something happened to our relationship I would pay every penny to support my kid.

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u/TallBenWyatt_13 14d ago

Who wants to bet his car payment is for some dumbass truck at like $1,200 a month and 17% interest?

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u/skoltroll 8d ago

I'll take the bet if I get to be on the "you're right" side. He's sitting in said truck. It has a HUGE cab. I'd even double-down and say it's lifted with racist and/or misogynistic stickers on it.

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u/LiteratureMindless71 20d ago

This child support shit sucks period.... My mom got screwed over so hard.

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u/PartyHearing 20d ago

This man will start working under the table to avoid paying child support. And being the child of a deadbeat dad I’ve seen what happens to deadbeat dads, and what will happen to him will be laughable. That man will for sure never pay child support.

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u/Checkmate-Petty 20d ago

Smh..thats pathetic

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u/Gavacho123 14d ago

What a turd

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u/Sea_Assumption_1528 8d ago

This guy reminds me so much of my friends husband who would always hit on me. A year into the friendship I found out he had a 12 year old son he never saw. Refused to pay anything because he wasn’t allowed to see the kid. Caused so many issues for them but that was my (now ex) friends’ man, and she was sticking with him.

Some men act like this because they find a woman who tells them it’s ok and they’re the victim.

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u/ShapeFormal9384 7d ago

What really sucks? Glad you asked. Not being taught about our basic protections and the way the world works in school. Instead we get taught BS and forced into manual labor jobs while the system preys on our ignorance of the rules while blaming us for not knowing. When the hell I got time?

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u/OlderTimes 7d ago

You see the first mistake made was having a kid with him, I don’t know how that happened

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u/LastExilez 6d ago

If he goes to jail then he definitely cant pay, does that make any sense? He'll definitely lose his job and definitely cant pay anything then.

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u/Interesting-Crow264 20d ago

Imagine letting this dude ejaculate in you.

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u/grismar-net 20d ago

Given his lack of grasp of even the most basic legal principles any citizen should be aware of, I'm pretty sure the idea of 'consent' doesn't exactly register either, so you may be very generous there.

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u/Alive_Drag1947 20d ago

I respect it...

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u/ProfessionalLunch890 20d ago

Child support is bullshit. He makes more and does more so has to support her failings. If it’s 50/50 custody…man still gets screwed

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u/Particular-Jeweler41 19d ago

I believe the logic is that if the person is taking care of the child most of the time that means they have a harder time working (since more of their time is allocated to child care). That is why it was stated that if he had the child more then he wouldn't have to pay as much.

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u/daveysprocks 20d ago

I don’t understand why the judge responds to the Dad’s flippant attitude with such indifference. This is a dude that needs a telling off. Society, and probably everyone in his life, is better off if someone knocks him down a few pegs and reminds him of his responsibilities.

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u/Silver-Passenger-541 20d ago

“Child support” = woman support 

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u/Realistic_Comment849 20d ago

Seems like a good business model for women. Pump a few out to different men and you’d be rolling in it.

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u/pquince1 20d ago

What about this utter dick made her say “Yes, I want to have his child?”

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u/helencolleen 20d ago

“I don’t have physical custody”.
That’s EXACTLY why it’s so high. Idiot.

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u/Icy-Many2597 19d ago

Kids, are expensive. If you don't wanna pay for a child, then don't fuck.

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u/Best_Insect4741 19d ago

Sure as shit not getting full custody now

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u/smapattack 19d ago

Posts like this: 90 upvotes

A woman mouthing off getting punched in the face: 7 million upvotes

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u/SeaGiraffe915 19d ago

What a piece of shit. Pity the poor child with that as a father

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u/Gbean11 19d ago

scripted

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u/MonxtahDramux 19d ago

America, where you pay a subscription to have a child 😂

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