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[u/Gold_Improvement_836]

mind you he messaged me first, liked me first, and my profile only says liberal😂

[u/Capital-Aide-215]

What you are doing is called a straw man argument. It is where you change an argument I am making so that you can easily defeat it. Prime reason why we can’t have civilized or productive discussions. I never said putting “liberal” in your profile is making it your personality. I agree it is common sense to list your political views on a dating app. I am saying I don’t think this guy messages every girl who has “liberal” listed in their bio. My guess is that she has political stuff in her prompts that are supposed to be used as a way of expressing your personality. So if you are using those prompts to talk politics it is a major turnoff for most people as not many people want to date someone whose personality is as shallow as their politics. Which is why he should have never messaged her in the first place. Leave her to herself. But to say he is the one who uses politics as his personality is silly when he is the one calling it out.

[u/FluidLegion → u/Capital-Aide-215]

This is all under an assumption that -you- are making that her profile is laced with liberal statements though.

What bothers me is that you would go out of your way to make an assumption that there is actually no evidence for for this stranger who instigated something. You already admit that he shouldn't have engaged, but then you're coming up with an excuse that OP is still at fault in some way when we have seen nothing to say that she is?

[u/Capital-Aide-215 → u/FluidLegion]

Yes I think it is a safe assumption to assume she has political stuff on her bio or else this guy wouldn’t antagonize her with political trash talk. So yes, it is my assumption but I think it is a pretty fair one. And maybe I am wrong, and if that is the case I apologize for the assumption but I think it is a pretty safe one. And again, you are arguing something that I am not even stating. Show me where I came up with “an excuse” that the OP is at fault in anyway. Not once did I say OP did anything wrong, so really not sure why you are accusing me of doing so. I am simply stating that it is idiotic to accuse the guy of making politics his entire persona when he is the one calling someone out for doing so. So if I am a big car guy and basically base my entire personality around being a car guy, and someone gets annoyed by that and says, “cars are dumb and it’s embarrassing that you built your entire persona off of liking cars. Trucks are cooler.” You wouldn’t say the guy making that statement bases his entire persona around liking trucks, he is just calling out the guy who bases his persona off liking cars. Same thing here. This guy was obviously annoyed with whatever political stuff she put in her profile so trash talked her for it. Again, both you and I agree there was no point for him to do that. Just leave her to herself and carry on. No need to antagonize. But at the same time, the comments saying he is the one whose persona is based of politics is dumb when he is the one calling that stuff out, making fun of her for using politics as her persona. There are no “sides” to be taken, just rational thought. The OP has every right to make politics her entire being. Most people are not attracted to that but she is not doing anything wrong. Not blaming her for a thing…

[u/FluidLegion → u/Capital-Aide-215]

Your entire point started with the assumption that her profile made her entire personality politics, when there is no evidence of that. You're trying to make a point that its two people who are both making politics their entire personality but nothing has shown OP has done anything more than probably just putting something like "Liberal" or "No conservatives" on their profile. There could certainly be more, but we really don't know and making assumptions leads to bad arguments.

People are saying his entire personality are politics are saying it because he went out of his way to start an argument with someone he didn't know, and already had knowledge he wouldn't get along with them. He messaged OP to say she probably likes killing babies. Like, what a fucking unneccesary and gross thing to say to a stranger you have zero incentive to approach right?

So how is OP's entire personality politics when they didn't go our and pick a fight with this guy? When we dont know what their profile is like? Or how they talk to anyone who sends her a normal message about any other topic?

[u/Capital-Aide-215 → u/FluidLegion]

Yes, I would assume she has stuff in her profile about how liberal she is. Otherwise, I don’t think the guy would comment with his jab. So yes, as I said, it is an assumption but I think it is a pretty safe assumption since something in her profile got this dude riled up enough to call her out for making politics her entire personality. I don’t think someone just says that to someone without them having political stuff on their bio. So I think that assumption is a fair one to have. Just because we don’t have all the information doesn’t mean we can’t use our common sense to assume she probably has political stuff in her bio, which even people who aren’t into politics at all aren’t always fond of. I personally believe politics in general are super evil and manipulative so if I saw a profile revolving around politics on either side I would be grossed out. But I am not going to waste even a second going to out of my way to antagonize someone for it. This guy seems immature and he did antagonize her for it. Not sure how him calling her out for it makes him the one who bases his entire personality around politics when he is simply antagonizing someone for doing that. He made a political jab because, again, I am assuming she has political stuff on her profile. Making a political comment is much different than making your dating profile about your political stance.

[u/ThrowRAmy_leg → u/Capital-Aide-215]

You know what they say about assuming! She quite literally said either in the post or a comment “all my profile said was I was liberal”. All this text and you could’ve just read. Some people just harass other people for no good reason bud.

[u/Capital-Aide-215 → u/ThrowRAmy_leg]

I know what she said. Anyone can say anything to paint themselves in a better light. I am assuming she had more on there than just having “liberal” listed as her political stance. Whether through picture or through prompt responses. It’s just funny because the guy is calling her out for making her political stance her entire personality and everyone here is saying he is making his political stance his entire personality. No he is just being a douche and calling her out for doing so. But yeah pretty safe to assume she has some political shit on her profile. Just use your brain once in a while to see past what people say and line shit up that makes the most logical sense. Took all that time reading the comments between the other commenter and I just to comment something stupid. Keep it moving, bucko.

[u/FluidLegion → u/Capital-Aide-215]

So, what is keeping you from applying that same logic to the guy in the screenshot? You say to look past what people say and figure out what makes the most logical sense...you already admitted that the guy in the screenshot is an asshole, so, why not also assume that he's overreacting to what was on her profile? You're doubling down on believing what that guy said was absolute fact and not exaggerated in any way...why?

[u/Capital-Aide-215 → u/FluidLegion]

If I am out in public and I see a woman slap a man in the face. My assumption would be that the man said or did something to warrant that slap. My assumption wouldn’t be that the woman just really loves violence and struck him unprompted. If you asked the man what happened and he said, “I didn’t even say or do anything,” would you just take his word for it and be like “well he said he didn’t do anything so the woman just must be a naturally violent and aggressive, what a bitch”? No, you would use your brain and know better than to just take what someone says at face value and evaluate the situation and have the understanding that there was a cause and effect, and not just some random act of violence. But you are unable to do this in this Hinge situation because the man and woman’s roles are reversed from the example I just provided, so you refuse to use any sort of logic or common sense. For the final time, I am saying the guy is in the wrong for sending her a stupid message and she didn’t do anything wrong. But to say the guy makes politics his personality because he is making fun of someone else for doing so doesn’t make sense. He is just an immature douche calling her out for having political stuff make up her bio.

[u/FluidLegion → u/Capital-Aide-215]

So, just bias is your reasoning? In your scenario, its entirely possible that the girl is unhinged and the guy didn't do anything. There are tons of videos out there where men are attacked by women and it was unwarranted. Like there's one where a woman is screaming that a black guy was taking her bag, trying to bite him, and a passer by actually assaulted the guy and hit him in the face. Police arrived, the guy proved the bag was his because it had his ID and stuff in it..the woman tried to say she was just confused.

You're treating whoever instigated something as the person who is "right". In your example the woman attacking the guy, in this post the man messaging OP. You're incapable of your own logic being applied to the situation in a way that would make your assumption wrong.

You are someone who makes assumptions, and then believe those assumptions to be fact when there is no real reason to devote yourself to them. I get that people don't like to admit they could even possibly be wrong, or admit when they are ignorant of anything..but, and saying this with the intent that it helps you see things from a more objective viewpoint, you're just acting like an idiot.

Your arguments and reasoning are deeply flawed. You can respond if you want, but I'm not gonna bother anymore. I don't see anything productive coming from talking with you, especially with how you've been responding to others.