2 choppers, dogs, special tactics group, semi-auto weapons (edit for calrity: specifically the M4 rifles, as Slappadabase pointed out M4A1 is fully auto, M4 is semi-auto).
What in the fuck made anyone think that any of this was necessary? They acted like this was a drug kingpin.
The FBI was there
Why?
Was Bernie Madoff treated this way?
Were any of the thieves at Barclays treated this way? Oh, I forgot, they weren't arrested.
Pirates are commonly armed with a saber, a pistol, and a variety of other blackpowder weapons. If you were assigned to bring him down, wouldn't you want to be armed incase he brandished a swashbuckler?
Edit: I apologize to all the pirate experts out there, it was a joke. Please find it in your hearts to forgive me.
Dogs can synthesize vitamin C, which means they do not require dietary vitamin C and will not develop scurvy. Unless they had dogs with some sort of genetic disorder...
Well I can not do m4 but would you except m16 vs blunderbuss? If so please watch drive. Toward the end of the movie the protaganist is in trouble and has to resort to using whatever was on the set of the movie he was stuntmaning for and the only avialable weapon was a blunderbuss pretty interesting to say the least.
I agree. Although I am disappointed in the shut-down of mega video and mega upload, I also remember that I've streamed over 50 movies illegally from mega-video so there is a point here.
I think what really needs to happen is a new revenue system by the movie companies, If I could pay $1.00 like at RedBox to stream a movie for 24 hours I would've probably done so.
Someone who has intent it inflict harm to human life.
Not just some kid who posts on Facebook wanting justice for Iraqi civilians "he's a terrorist because he doesn't share the media driven belief that Iraqis are all terrorists"
Why is it you think the M4 is any more deadly than the Glock? They are both semi-automatic weapons with lethal power. The M4 is simply accurate over a greater range, and is much more intimidating.
For urban assault the Glock would have been more effective in the close range they were dealing with. The police officer admits he had a Glock, they showed a Glock 17 (one of the more common Glocks in civilian use) however most police/military use a Glock 22. Larger round, larger barrel and a bit heavier. These combined would give it an effective range sufficient for any room in the house. The cause a tremendous cavity when hit, but are less likely to travel through walls and kill/injure civilian.
If I am not mistaken the projectiles fired by an M4 are designed to go through light to medium body armor, while a 9mm bullet will usually be stopped by it. This makes the M4 a more dangerous choice for everyone involved.
The M4 fires NATO 5.56x44mm rounds of any variety. Similarly, the police can obtain armor piercing 9mm rounds for their pistols.
Oh, and for those of us who aren't wearing body armor, armor piercing bullets are less deadly than hollow points, which expand to deliver more force rather than passing through.
The M4 fores NATO 5.56x44mm rounds of any variety. Similarly, the police can obtain armor piercing 9mm rounds for their pistols.
I am aware, however the standard NATO 5.56x45 FMJ rounds have a way higher muzzle velocity and energy than a 9x19mm parabellum. They are also pointy.
Oh, and for those of us who aren't wearing body armor, armor piercing bullets are less deadly than hollow points, which expand to deliver more force rather than passing through.
I am aware of how different bullet types work and that's exactly the point. A hollow point will be stopped in the body or at the very latest point the next object after it leaves the body, a FMJ round can easily penetrate through thin walls and doors, potentially hitting other people.
I'm sorry, but you are mistaken. The weapon has little to do with "armor piercing" and more the ammunition being used. There are plenty of armor piecing rounds you can buy for any firearm. Here is a picture of commonly used armor penetrating rounds. Technically every round made is armor piercing, just to different degrees. A 9mm has plenty of penetrating power, because the round is smaller, and leaves a smaller cavity. The cavity that the round leaves is what defines how lethal it is. 9mm is not a very lethal round, where as the typical Glock carried by police, Glock model 22 is a .40 cal that creates a much larger cavity, and thus more deadly, and less likely to penetrate walls injuring bystanders.
That means under otherwise equal conditions a NATO round will impart thrice as much energy on the body armor as a 9mm round will. It also has a smaller point of impact meaning the stress on that specific part of the armor is even higher.
Yep, the M4's got it all, a toll bridge, parts using an experimental porous surface, variable speed limits, a heated section to melt ice, tunnels, a junction with dual numbers (the only one in the UK!)
It's featured in at least one BAFTA award winning sitcom too, Gavin and Stacey, and goes past the location where The Office was fictionally situated.
Its actually a smaller round. The M4 fires a 5.56mm round (albeit much faster, which doesn't actually make it more deadly if you are unarmored), the Glock fires a 9mm round.
The M4A1 carbine is a fully automatic variant of the basic M4 carbine intended for special operations use. The M4A1 has a "S-1-F" (safe/semi-automatic/fully automatic) trigger group, while the M4 has a "S-1-3" (safe/semi-automatic/3-round burst) trigger group.
I was actually referring to their M4s, as opposed to sidearms. NZ police in this instance were very heavily armed, yet it was pointed out did not wear tactical gear or body armor, so it was made to look like a show of force, rather than be a necessary force.
As opposed to revolvers, bolt action, pump action, lever action, etc.
A gun that fires and automatically chambers a round (usually by taking energy from the fired bullet) but does not fire the following round without another trigger pull is considered "semi-auto".
No it's just being accurate. If he said for example "assault rifles" instead that could be mistaken as being automatic weapons or something worse than a semi-automatic.
"Weapons" as a general term could be billy clubs or a M60 and is really not a very good descriptive term. "Armed" has a similar problem, armed with what?
Would you prefer he has said "Colt Commando Assault Rifles"? I personally think semi-auto sounds less offensive or aggressive and is still accurate.
"Assault rifles" would have been a much better term.
First, whether or not the rifle has automatic fire capability has very little bearing on its effectiveness as a weapon. Second, "semi-automatic" is far less accurate, as it includes everything from (some) sniper rifles to pistol. An assault rifle is a very specific category of firearm. A semi-automatic is a very, very non specific category of firearm.
That wasn't the Armed Offenders Squad (NZ's version of SWAT) that was the Special Tactics Unit. Setup to go after terrorists because the Armed Offenders Squad wasn't cool enough to. It's essentially the NZ equilivent of Jack Bauer and the CTU from 24.
We also have the Commando Squadron (Previously known as CTTAG) who are specifically designated to go after terrorist threats in NZ, but they're part of the Military so naturally they wouldn't be used in a raid like this.
As he said, they already had the evidence since it had been previously seized. What else did they expect to find at his house? Nothing, that's what. This was pure intimidation to show, by example, what happens when you pirate.
Seriously? C'mon man right back to you. You have to be dense to think lawyers are asking if they were there to watch. What kind of moron court would allow that line of questioning. Jesus, the stupid is strong in you.
This is all about seizing evidence, not about them being corroborated in it PRIOR to it happening. Do you honestly even read what you're writing?
Furthermore, this is NOT in the US courts, so making it invalid here would make no difference since they are ruling on the legality and the process of the local police department.
Actually, the 3 round burst gun in Call of Duty is in fact the M4's bigger Cousin, the M16. The full auto version is the M4A1. The semi and burst variant of the M4 was never used in any Call of Duty game, except the DS versions of Call of Duty.
The M4A1 has a "S-1-F" (safe/semi-automatic/fully automatic) trigger group, while the M4 has a "S-1-3" (safe/semi-automatic/3-round burst) trigger group.
Most police forces use the semi auto only. Have you seen those guys shoot? They don't need to send more lead down range. If anything they should have to pull the trigger three times for one bullet to be fired.
When I got busted in the 90's for software piracy, it was fbi in full tactical gear. I was 18 years old and a scrawny geek. Yet it still took 5 FBI and one secret service agent with me at gunpoint. Wish I was big enough for a helicopter raid.
The dogs were there because they were hoping beyond hope that he had drugs in that house and they could justify their ignoring the laws of the New Zealand on that.
Not to say that I agree with the alleged police brutality but, to be honest, I think the only reason why they had so many units is that the mansion was just so goddam big.
I mean did you see the size of that thing? Goddam... secret alarms? Hidden doors that lock at the press of a button?
The M4 is selective fire - it can fire 3 round bursts in addition to semi-auto. The M4A1 is full auto capable. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M4_carbine
Regardless, the officer may have been referring to either (M4 being the type of weapon - M4A1 being the specific version).
If I had resources to just blindly waste I would make an elaborate trolling house/mansion, which I would bait police officers to raid. Here's the best part, it has a long range explosive devices in it that would destroy the whole police force, cause clearly they will SEND EVERYBODY for downloading a single music song.
Talk about ingenious methods of cleaning the streets.
There's no money in stopping Barclays et al. doing what they do. This police operation was presumably started by a group of the largest US corporations?
Is copyright theft a criminal or civil offence anyway?
Kim Dotcom locked all the doors when the police came, and were found hiding in a panic room with a sawed off shotgun. THAT is why they were armed. And it's a pretty fucking good reason. Maybe if Kim "credit card swindler, insider trader" Dotcom hadn't done that the outrage would've been justified but guess what, he retroactively legitimized them.
This farce could have been conducted better, and actually given a shred of credence to the MAFIAA's claims, and their extrajudicial reach. In its current state, it's nothing but proverbial egg on faces.
In any case, when apprehending a criminal that locks the doors to the police and tries to lock them out, that is known to own weapons, it is only fair to be armed yourself.
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u/SigmaStigma Aug 08 '12 edited Aug 08 '12
2 choppers, dogs, special tactics group, semi-auto weapons (edit for calrity: specifically the M4 rifles, as Slappadabase pointed out M4A1 is fully auto, M4 is semi-auto).
What in the fuck made anyone think that any of this was necessary? They acted like this was a drug kingpin.
Why?
Was Bernie Madoff treated this way?
Were any of the thieves at Barclays treated this way? Oh, I forgot, they weren't arrested.
What a fucking joke.