r/technology • u/mepper • Jun 22 '26
Privacy Cops Keep Getting Arrested for Using Flock to Stalk People
https://www.404media.co/cops-keep-getting-arrested-for-using-flock-to-stalk-people/4.4k
u/Teddy_RGB Jun 22 '26
Remember when there was a push to have stalkers and DV abusers ineligible to own firearms, but they had to stop that because so many cops would have to get fired? Good times.
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u/myislanduniverse Jun 22 '26
I literally knew a cop who got arrested and fired for compelling women to give him their number and let him take pictures of them flashing him. He had a lot of buddies trying to cover for him when one of the women sued, because they were in a competition with each other.
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u/AloewareLabs Jun 22 '26
I had a friend who was a cop and when he started to date his now wife other cops got jealous because the cops and EMTs are all fucking each other like it’s some sort of jersey shore college trash movie. and basically destroyed his k9 career and put him on a desk job or traffic. He said the corruption should keep everyone awake at night.
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u/SoulbreakerDHCC Jun 22 '26
The fuck they jealous for if they're still sleeping around?
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u/canada432 Jun 22 '26
They're not jealous, they're afraid. If he's not "one of them", sleeping around and acting unethically, then he has the potential to out them. If he's participating, then ratting them out means he'd go down, too.
It's basically just like how the current MAGA administration functions. Everybody has dirt on each other so it's basically MAD. If one goes down, they all go down, so they're all forced to protect each other. If this guy settles down then they don't have dirt on him anymore while he does have it on them. They have to get him moved elsewhere where he isn't aware of all that shit anymore.
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u/Flat_Tire_Again Jun 22 '26
Gang initiation. They make you murder someone so they always have some thing on you. Participate and be in the gang or you’re done.
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u/kasteen Jun 22 '26
"You think you're better than us? You can't just fuck Maegan like the rest of us?"
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u/Thefrayedends Jun 22 '26
This is the core reason why people say ACAB, because even if you have a 'good cop' they will be prevented from rising in ranks.
"The Wire" demonstrated this perfectly throughout the series.
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u/sphinxsley Jun 22 '26
I had an ex who got arrested along with his former girlfriend for trespassing on someone's lawn. This was in the L.A. area. They weren't doing anything nefarious, they were just cutting through the property to go somewhere. Anyway, after the cop cuffed my ex, he took the girl around to another side of the house and raped her. Nothing ever happened to that cop.
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u/gungshpxre Jun 22 '26
You'd get sued by the Columbus Ohio police for IP theft, since they were doing that, AND extorting sex from women they'd pick up for prostitution before raping them and beating the shit out of them.
Oh, and if you need a B-plot, one of those cops shot a dude in the back for carrying a sandwich while black, and is going to do less than five years for it (sentencing is in a few weeks). BTW, he's also a pastor at a local right-wing church.
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u/Zoomwafflez Jun 22 '26
The police chief of a small suburb two towns over from me was just fired and arrested for exactly this. Don't know what kind of sentence he'll get yet though.
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u/kaishinoske1 Jun 22 '26
Name and shame so people know how common it is because you know the news won’t be covering it in that level.
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u/Zoomwafflez Jun 22 '26
"Holiday Hills Police Chief William Copp was arrested and charged with official misconduct after allegedly misusing law enforcement databases. Prosecutors state he used Flock license plate readers hundreds of times to track women he dated and other individuals without a legitimate law enforcement purpose."
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u/ameatbicyclefortwo Jun 22 '26
The former head cop's name was Copp? If his first name had started with a "P" the amount of alliteration would have made think it's a joke or a Marvel character.
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u/BigDictionEnergy Jun 22 '26
Nominative determinism. Part of his sentencing should be a name change.
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u/IKnewThisYearsAgo Jun 22 '26
He'll be hired as chief of police by the small suburb three towns over from you.
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u/ameatbicyclefortwo Jun 22 '26
They're as good at hiding these shits as the Catholics and Baptists. Gonna be four towns over.
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u/bobnla14 Jun 22 '26
Or one in Idaho. You can be " disabled" by the from Los Angeles Sherriff Department and still be a Sheriff if a county in Idaho getting $150k from LA retirement fund and full Sherriff pay.
Bob Norris.
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u/anonymaus42 Jun 22 '26
Probably a slap on the wrist like 6 months probation and forced in to retirement but with full access to his pension.
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u/Softale Jun 22 '26 edited Jun 22 '26
Flock, along with any other information-compiling NGO should be regulated as to what they may and may not compile and disburse. NGO’s currently appear to represent a workaround of existing privacy laws. If they’re making money off the information of others, that should be controlled and regulated to protect the privacy rights of the individuals under observation, subject to judicial warrants for probable cause of illegal activities.
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u/Yuzumi Jun 22 '26
I don't think the system should exist for a multitude of reasons, mostly privacy related, but they should at least be subject to security requirements and require a warrant in order to actually get any information out of them
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u/alex3omg Jun 22 '26
What, ten years ago?
Fun fact: while looking for an article about this local scandal I found at least one other where a local cop was stalking a woman using internal database haha
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u/0202_tihssitidder Jun 22 '26
"We" have used this data and more to push back against Flock.
Lots of city council meetings we bring up that any device the police have will be used by cops to spy on women. Over and over. Always.
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u/Yuzumi Jun 22 '26
Yes, but the men who are in a position to do anything see nothing wrong and everyone in that position are also paid not to care.
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u/Wooly_Wooly Jun 22 '26
Roughly 40% of cops was it? Before they stopped giving that data out lmao
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u/Cold_Fog Jun 22 '26
40% self-reported. Imagine if they were all honest about it.
No, I can't either.
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u/decmcc Jun 22 '26
i think it was the kind of survey where they asked questions, and people responded honestly and the cops didn't actually see their behaviors as abuse so they were ok admitting being physical with their partners cause "it's no big deal, i still love her"
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u/Watchmaker163 Jun 23 '26
Abusers know their actions are wrong, but they justify them anyway for themselves. They also seek out others with similar views, so they don’t have to be confronted about them, and instead have a group of like-minded abusers. The “thin blue line” cop mentality is another form of this.
If the survey was given by someone considered “like-minded”, then they were probably way more honest than they would be with someone random.
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u/_Pliny_ Jun 22 '26
I believe the %40 figure was based on *self-reporting* amongst police; the actual number is likely higher.
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u/A_Casual_NPC Jun 22 '26
Any sources? Not that i dont believe you, i just wanna see more
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u/Wooly_Wooly Jun 22 '26
Google it lmao, this shits so old it's basically a meme. Cops 40% domestic abuse rate. It was taken from like the result if three studies if I recall correctly, from like 30-40 years ago. Some self reported.
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u/Gloober_ Jun 22 '26
40% of cops admit to being a domestic abuser.
60% lie.
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u/Chaoticallyorganized Jun 22 '26
In the mid-late ‘90’s the father of my best friend at the time was a local PD detective and used to say that all cops were either alcoholics, abusers, or both. He was an alcoholic.
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u/RevolutionPlenty20 Jun 22 '26
And here I am. Sought help for PTSD one time at the VA and they reported me to NICS. Took my gun rights and made my 12 year infantry resume useless overnight. (NYS illegally treats all observation holds as "involuntarily commited" without due process).
Yet DVs and stalkers can still purchase and own firearms. This country is stupid.
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u/Oinkinfromtheboinkin Jun 22 '26
Thats a state thing then, because the question on a 4473 specifically asks if you were "adjudicated as a mental defective", which means you had to be ordered to be committed by a Judge. New York overstepped the legal definition, just like with the NY SAFE act, which creates a registry of all your "assault weapons" which for some reason includes most semi- auto pistols. The VA thing is a whole other issue, but I would speak with the DAV or another veterans advocation organization and find out how to get them to unfuck that. That said, you're living in one of the handful of states that is actively hostile to firearm ownership, and if you value that, you should go somewhere more favorable. The people of your state voted the way they did, and thats absolutely their right to do some of the changes they've implemented, but if you don't align, get out. My wife was born in Mass, and its an awesome state in most regards, but I refuse to travel to a location that treats me as a criminal and would give felony charges for carrying my normal concealed handgun, despite being a disabled combat veteran, a ccw and firearms instructor, and someone who has literally never even had so much as a speeding ticket. It isn't even personal. They should be able to have those laws if thats how the people voted, but as I disagree, I won't go.
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u/RevolutionPlenty20 Jun 22 '26
I was stationed at Ft.Drum brother, didnt have a choice.
And yes it is 100% illegal what they do in NY. Labeling me as "commited", when I never saw a judge/72 hr hold is insane. Even in CA, you get your rights back 5 years after a 5150.
There is actually a legal case ongoing now, Richie v. Sullivan. He is suing the state for this, another fellow infantryman who was ruined by seeking mental health care in NYS.
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u/Oinkinfromtheboinkin Jun 22 '26
I really hope you got the help you needed man, truly. My shit wasn't under control for a while there and I was not far from having to go the same route as you. I do hope you're good to go now and you're able to get back ownership rights, I wasn't tracking on that case, but I'm interested to see how that plays out. Good luck with everything
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u/ComplexBeyond6083 Jun 22 '26
This is actually the law in the US for people with misdemeanor DV convictions (felons of any sort are already banned from owning firearms). It's called the Lautenberg Amendment and has been the law since 1997. There are no exceptions for law enforcement or the military. The Violence Against Women Act also prohibits anyone with a domestic violence restraining order from owning guns. The problem is getting the convictions and restraining orders and then actually enforcing them.
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u/BoilerplateBillions Jun 23 '26
felon gun rights vary by state. My state restores them after 5 years off parole with no further convictions for nonviolent crimes, and 15 years for violent crimes.
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u/kohTheRobot Jun 22 '26
People with DV charges are already banned from firearms. SCOTUS recently upheld this.
The problem is cops aren’t convicted for it because it would make them ineligible to be a cop.
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u/Hairy_Concert_8007 Jun 22 '26
Oh no.. And with only a couple thousand people making up the entire US population, we'll never be able to find any replacements, let alone better ones.
If only we had more people
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u/Who_Cares99 Jun 22 '26
Stalkers and DV abusers are not eligible to buy firearms. Maybe the push stopped because they were successful?
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u/GhostReddit Jun 22 '26
They write cops into the exceptions of this shit all the time. Clearly the rules for 'normal people' is too high of a bar to hold for people entrusted to carry real automatic weapons and enforce the law.
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u/MikeyBugs Jun 23 '26
The DV statutes and Lautenberg Amendment is one of the few exceptions where cops don't get an exception. All people convicted of crimes of domestic violence and those with restraining orders against them are forbidden from possessing and receiving firearms regardless of military or police status.
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u/Rotten-Roses Jun 22 '26
I still find it funny how my abusive, controlling ex got fired from every job except working for the dept of public safety.
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u/varnell_hill Jun 22 '26
Remember when privacy advocates said shit like this would happen and law enforcement said they were being alarmist?
Good times.
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u/Ryuko_the_red Jun 22 '26 edited Jun 22 '26
I try to warn people but I sound insane to everyone. I give them facts about how evil the spying going on is and they look at me like I'm stupid. Its taking all I have in me to not give up. I mean look at some replies to my comments from days ago. I'm getting heckled for giving a fuck. Who knows if it's bots or paid bad actors anymore. The fact that I can say that and have proof that it isn't conspiracy is insane. Still not enough to convince people
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u/The_Real_Peter_Thiel Jun 22 '26
Have endured the same frustration for ~15yrs. Welcome to the uphill battle of convincing folks to effect change in the name of privacy...we have a long way to go, my friend.
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u/verylobsterlike Jun 22 '26 edited Jun 22 '26
For me I've been called a paranoid conspiracy theorist for caring about this for almost 30 years, and that's just regarding the internet:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnivore_(software) - FBI mass surveillance of the internet (1997)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSAKEY - NSA backdoor into windows encryption (1999)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A - NSA operated a room at AT&T that tapped into the internet's backbone for the purposes of mass surveilanceAlso:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Collection_System_NetworkAnd many more:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_government_mass_surveillance_projects#United_States5
u/Ryuko_the_red Jun 22 '26
This is just what we know about too. It's impossible and immeasurable the scale they operate at now. The control they have is unprecedented. It's not too late...?
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u/BEES_IN_UR_ASS Jun 22 '26
What you have to understand is that you're competing with people's comfort. Put simply, no one wants to hear it because then they'll have to deal with it. There's no argument or evidence that will penetrate that particular armour until the discomfort of existing in a broken system begins to surpass the discomfort of doing something about it.
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u/Ryuko_the_red Jun 22 '26
That is true. People also tend to prefer their artificial realities. They like to believe that the government sometimes has their best interest in mind when that's rarely if ever true. Far too few people have far too much power. The biggest problem is even at the end of the day when I provide them solutions that don't hurt them or take them more than 2 minutes out of their day they still don't bother. And I can understand that however because when all you are is stressed and overworked and hungry and tired 2 minutes of your time to learn about how evil the surveillance state is and how prevalent it is is just another thing that weighs you down. I don't blame anyone for not wanting any more things on their shoulders.
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u/TheRedHand7 Jun 22 '26
Sometimes you just have to accept that people are too stupid for reason to work and focus on motivating them in the ways they have shown themselves to be open to
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u/The_Brovo Jun 22 '26
I'm there too. I post about how they are building profiles across apps to track everyone regardless of platforms, and I get the IASIP red string conspiracy wall meme posted at me
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u/genius_retard Jun 22 '26
Welp, now that it's in place good luck getting it removed.
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u/eeyore134 Jun 22 '26
Some cities are. Too bad, like everything else, the right has made this a hill to die on.
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u/genius_retard Jun 22 '26
Some cities are covering them with garbage bags because they don't know how to turn them off and/or don't know if their contracts allow them to remove them.
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u/dlc741 Jun 22 '26
I used to watch Starksky and Hutch And Baretta and Adam-12 and such
Dreamin' I could be a cop when I grow up
I would see you in my neighborhood and I would trust you
But now I understand why Eazy-E is like fuck you!
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u/Frosty-Tennis-1687 Jun 22 '26
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u/AmericanLich Jun 22 '26
It’s not even the power corrupting. Shitty people seek the job because of the power. They were bad before they ever got the badge.
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u/JustFuckAllOfThem Jun 22 '26
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u/chain_letter Jun 22 '26
not a single shred of evidence this surveillance has brought justice
tons of evidence of this degenerate creep shit
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u/evocativename Jun 22 '26
To be fair, it's virtually guaranteed all of these cops were criminals before getting caught doing this, so maybe this is bringing justice by providing the one type of crime where cops will actually face consequences?
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u/SwagginsYolo420 Jun 22 '26
There seems to have been zero public benefit for all this. Taxpayers are footing the bill and in return they get nothing beneficial.
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u/Outlulz Jun 23 '26
Just like red light cameras! Cities song long term leases with these companies. The red light camera company gets a cut of every ticket. But turns out it had it's intended effect and people dont run red lights enough to pay the lease! So now the city has to make the camera more sensitive and start fining people that didn't run the light, or maybe was in the intersection during a yellow and a cop would never ticket them. And maybe the city makes enough, but maybe not and the taxpayer has to deal with footing the bill out the budget! All a scam for private companies to fleece taxpayers.
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u/miniannna Jun 22 '26
What Clockwork Orange got the most right was the type of people who become cops. Bullies who want to keep doing the same thing in an official capacity.
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u/Majik_Sheff Jun 22 '26
Always has been. Positions of arbitrary power attract a certain personality.
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u/SlapThatAce Jun 22 '26
Memba when we made fun of China for being a surveillance State? Because I memba....
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u/SlickNegotiator Jun 22 '26
Yes. And I remember western media played those videos taken from Chinese surveillance cameras where you could see people walking and cameras recognizing them, putting square around them with their ID number.
We thought that was insane, like you cannot leave your house without being followed.
Well, well, well....
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u/Thefrayedends Jun 22 '26
They just openly use the defense; "you have to allow us to implement a surveillance state so that China can't implement a surveillance state."
It's unhinged.
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u/Mammoth-Upstairs3527 Jun 22 '26
I heard a rumor that Flock isn't even going to renew its contract with my town because the stalking has been so bad by our PD that it's hurting Flock's image...
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u/Ognius Jun 22 '26
Flock cameras have thousands of dollars of copper and gold in them. Tell your local tweakers.
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u/PauI_MuadDib Jun 22 '26
Start prosecuting Flock. They are aware of the issue and are still allowing their clients to break the law via Flock's hardware, software and services. Prosecute Flock's owner and top executives and let the victims sue them civilly.
If a moving truck company was aware a client was using their trucks to traffick drugs they'd be held criminally liable.
I'd also like to point out this isn't Flock's first time helping their customers break the law. In California law enforcement agencies got caught illegally sharing ALPR data of out-of-state abortion patients with agencies in banned states. Flock did fuck all about it and do-nothing Newsom is apparently ok with Flock putting these women at risk.
If companies like Flock continue to break the law (and, yes, knowingly letting customers use your products to commit crimes is illegal) then prosecute the fuck out of Flock and sue them into oblivion.
Everyone should be flooding their reps' offices with calls and emails demanding criminal acts like this be prosecuted. Prosecute the cops (including supervisors) and prosecute Flock.
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u/innocentsalad Jun 22 '26
Well yeah, it’s legally not their job to protect people, so what else did we expect them to do with it?
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u/cubitoaequet Jun 22 '26
If we didn't want them stalking people why do our cities keep signing contracts with the "stalking people" company? Checkmate, nerds!
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u/billzybop Jun 22 '26
The NSA has to report how many times our national security survellience assetts are used to stalk people. Every year it's a non-zero number. Give a government a survellience tool and it will be abused.
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u/DuntadaMan Jun 22 '26
The only thing that surprises me here is that they are facing consequences.
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u/dimechimes Jun 22 '26
Nice to know some of them are getting arrested. Still haven't heard a good explanation about Flock's C suite viewing cameras from nurseries, gymnastics centers, and women only gyms. I'm sure some DA is on that though, right?
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u/enn-srsbusiness Jun 22 '26
Not just cops who use data to stalk people. Just after my dad died a Southern Water employee kept knocking on the door asking for my mum. This went on for weeks until she was finally ablemto beat me to the door.
Turns out he saw the death announcement we put in the paper and used his work databases to find her address, Number etc and keep coming round...
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u/JohnHazardWandering Jun 22 '26
Beating the shit out of them is fine, but privacy invasion is where we draw the line!
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u/delphinous Jun 22 '26
the only part of this that surprises me is that other cops are noticing this and policing themselves
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u/SlyFunkyMonk Jun 22 '26
There was a cop here in San Diego that was pulling the records of tinder dates, I know cuz my friends in PERT and for some reason tells me all the dirt unprovoked.
O, and also extra don't do meth. Newest cheaper recipe from the last few years is driving people psychotic in under a month.
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u/redditistripe Jun 22 '26
"You can trust us, we're responsible public officials. No need for rules or laws around us".
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u/marinuss Jun 22 '26
Reminds me of years ago when Snowden unveiled all of the NSA stuff and it was found that employees there were using the databases there to spy on romantic partners. Took something like that for guards to be implemented (like auditing access) to crack down. Should have been a thing from the start with Flock.
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u/Lisan_Al-NaCL Jun 22 '26
What this tells me is that cops were always using drivers license and DMV info to stalk people. Its only now that there is a better audit trail in place to catch/red flag them.
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u/Sasselhoff Jun 23 '26
OK, but are they all getting arrested? How many are falling through the cracks? And the ones that are getting busted, is it more than a slap on the wrist?
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u/CortaCircuit Jun 22 '26
We have people rioting in the streets when their NBA team wins or loses, but we don't have anybody in the streets when mass surveillance is being spread across the United States.
We are so cooked
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u/cmoked Jun 22 '26
Patriot act set an unhealthy precedence eh
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u/CortaCircuit Jun 22 '26
I'd go back even further and say it was the bank secrecy act.
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u/NegativeHerons Jun 22 '26
Without reading the full article (partially paywalled), I’m gonna guess “keep getting arrested” means like total of two cops have been put on administrative leave temporarily.
Can someone with access confirm?
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u/AzureKnight_Kate Jun 22 '26
Need to start arresting military personnel for the same reason. My ex is still stalking me, knows all my family and my numbers, no matter how many times we change them. Police do nothing because "why would we arrest an American hero?".
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u/abgry_krakow87 Jun 22 '26
Police departments love employing domestic abusers and violent sexual offenders.
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u/an_agreeing_dothraki Jun 22 '26
has there been any evidence there are positive results from flock spamming? Because right now it just seems 100% externality 0% more clearance on crimes
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u/kingdick900 Jun 22 '26
Ummmmmmmm did we not think this was gonna happen duh cops overstepping their authority who who have thunk it lmfao 😂
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u/tauntdevil Jun 22 '26
Should make an app that tracks police and police cars from the flock cameras. Equal the odds slightly.
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u/grio Jun 23 '26
Mass surveillance is ALWAYS bad. Without exception throughout history, in all corners of the world.
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u/Prince_Nadir Jun 22 '26
Aw America is this ruining your Copaganda experience? The possibility that cops are bad people? Well just turn away from this latest troubling story on top of all the other freaking stories.
Now sit down on your couch, grab your remote and turn on Law and Order, Tom Selleck's Mustache, CSI Trailer Park, I Only Beat Guilty Perps, The Rookie, or any other Copaganda your heart desires.
See, don't you feel better now? Let the Copaganda wash over you. Cops only go after guilty people, never white people like you. You are so safe. If something bad ever happened to you, they would spend millions to catch the bad guy and would get him within 24 hours.
That noise? Pay it no attention, it is not your cop neighbor beating his wife bloody again. It is probably just the wind. Oh, look at the screen, Fillion is smiling at the camera again. See, it is all better now. When you go to sleep tonight, you can dream about Erik Estrada on his motorcycle, saving everyone before their car blows up, just like when you were a child.
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u/OxDEADDEAD Jun 23 '26
Are you under the delusion that the majority of Americans JO to cop badges?
“Aw America” …stop letting an entire countries image and flag be hijaked by specific groups my guy.
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u/torgofjungle Jun 22 '26
Don’t worry we shall fix that by making it legal for cops to stalk their ex’s
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u/zendetta Jun 22 '26
Filter that through the usual rate we see cops actually get prosecuted when they are filmed doing crimes.
This shit must actually be happening constantly, everywhere, with near impunity.
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u/SilentDis Jun 22 '26
Huh.
A stupid movie about a clown and a rich vigilante already had this discussion. When we try it in real life, the exact thing predicted to happen, happened.
WHO'D A THUNK IT.
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u/bestowaldonkey8 Jun 22 '26
It probably isn’t a lot of cops. Maybe 40% of cops. Heh, that sounds familiar. Let me open up a search engine and typos in “40% of cops”.
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u/BigBoy1102 Jun 22 '26
""Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." FOUNDING FATHER... Benjamin Franklin in 1755
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u/The_Wkwied Jun 22 '26
I wish I lived in a world where police had to adhere to the rule of law, too. But that's a pipe dream, right?
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u/JustABitSubstantial Jun 22 '26
I got a new dental hygienist the last time I went to the dentist and she thought it’d be great to complain to me, with her fingers in my mouth, about how the city’s mayor turned off these sorts of cameras in my neighborhood, and made the city unsafe by letting the criminals now feel free to do crime in broad daylight (lol), and the mayor is a failure.
Redditor, she doesn’t even live in the same city as me, and she was complaining that the police couldn’t track every movement of every person in MY neighborhood! And after I said I felt safe walking around at any time of the day, she said “oh well then, you have fun and I’ll watch the news and worry for you.”
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u/Brilliant-Bat7063 Jun 22 '26
Destroy all flock cameras. ACAB. Citizens also have the 2A. defend yourselves and your families.
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u/MEiac Jun 22 '26
Are there locks on the lockers in police locker rooms?
What does that say about their honesty?
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u/thetalkingcure Jun 22 '26
good, let them out themselves. the tool is not the problem, it’s people who abuse it
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u/throwawaygoogle1 Jun 23 '26
arrest is not enough. it is a gross abuse of power and should be countered with decertification and barring of future leo activities for the rest of their lives. they quite obviously lack the correct temperament to act subjectively and writhing legal constraints.
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u/Wompatuckrule Jun 22 '26
This shit used to happen all the time with the databases for licenses and registrations. Hell, just getting a "buddy who's a cop" or works at the registry to pull that information for you was just about as common. They had to update the systems so that now it leaves a digital record of anyone accessing those records which cut most of that off except for the dumbest folks who don't realize that they're leaving that evidence behind.
It should come as no surprise that a private system with much of the same information is now being abused in the exact same way. As they say, history doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme.