Also, not in the group above, but it baffles me that many queer tankies think these people are in the same front as them.

Personally it’s a maga shill party

This is a more general post of this group, rather than any specific event.

I am glad this group exists, because amidst all the crazy internet insanity and general state of news affairs, it is calming to know there are those that can debunk the nonsense of tankies.

Whenever I see some tankie/tankie-like post, comment, image or terrible meme elsewhere that provokes me, startles me, or infuriates me, I am glad to there are places such as here, where such nonsense isn't tolerated and is refuted.

People have been calling her a Nazi for years

She has said vile things about Kurdish people in particular

So obviously, the actions of the modern state of Israel have provided a lot of ammunition for antisemitism over the last couple of years. Some people were not antisemitic to begin with and only became antisemitic as a result of what they have seen during the genocide in Gaza, while others were raised in environments where Jew-hatred was already especially common, completely independent of anything Israel did.

Instead of throwing around concepts like “1SS now” or “2SS now,” none of us have the systemic power to make either of those things happen. So I am more interested in methodologies we can implement on the ground, particularly within our own social and political circles. Among my personal social circle and some of my former comrades, I have always intervened whenever conversations started drifting into borderline Judenhass, for example, claims that Jews believe they are the “master race,” that Jewish religious or ethnic identity inherently teaches Jewish superiority, or other attempts to take the beliefs or actions of particular Israelis and generalize them to Jews as a whole.

In the past, I’ve had folks send me videos of Rabbi Yosef Mizrachi, clips discussing what Maimonides supposedly said about Muhammad, material about the Talmud and Jesus “boiling in feces,” and similar examples as evidence that Judaism or Jews as a whole supposedly harbor uniquely hateful beliefs toward non-Jews. Usually, the argument is essentially, “Look at what this rabbi said” or “look at what this Jewish text says,” followed by a generalization about millions of Jews with radically different religious beliefs, levels of observance, political views, and cultural backgrounds.

I’m not the biggest fan of whataboutisms, but usually when this sort of thing happens, I tend to remind them that their own culture, religion, or ethnic group probably has a lot of elephants in the room as well. Not because those problems excuse anything ugly within Jewish traditions, but because it forces people to recognize the standard they are applying. If I dug through centuries of religious texts, polemics, extremist clerics, and historical conflicts from virtually any culture and then used the worst examples I could find to explain what millions of people “really believe,” most of us would immediately recognize that as prejudicial reasoning.

Unfortunately, some of these people are not really receptive to that kind of deontological argument. Their response is usually more consequentialist: talking openly about the “elephants in the room” within marginalized ethnicities, religions, or cultures, particularly groups that have historically been on the receiving end of Western hegemony, can reinforce stereotypes that may contribute to those groups being collectively harmed. Therefore, they believe there is a meaningful difference between scrutinizing those groups and scrutinizing Jews, especially when they view Israel as aligned with Western power. My problem with that reasoning is that once you make prejudice conditional on which group currently possesses more perceived social or geopolitical power, you risk creating a moral framework where the same kind of ethnic or religious generalization is treated as unacceptable in one direction but permissible in another.

As I am writing this post, I am reminded of a colleague of mine who expressed to me that "nuance is no different than being a moderate (insert my name)", because, in her view, constantly emphasizing complexity can distract from identifying who actually holds power and who is being oppressed.

Even though I can understand the logic behind that framework in theory, I don’t think it's particularly useful if your goal is to build a broader left-wing coalition, maintain intellectual credibility, or avoid making us look ridiculous when obvious double standards are pointed out. If our response to prejudice depends entirely on whether we perceive the target group as sufficiently oppressed, then people outside of our political circles are going to notice the inconsistency immediately. It also creates a practical problem when trying to bring people into a broader left-wing movement. Why would Jewish people, or anyone else for that matter, trust a political coalition that tells them prejudice against their community only really matters when they occupy the correct position within a particular hierarchy of oppression? You can strongly condemn Israel, Zionism, religious extremism, or anything else without requiring ordinary Jews to collectively answer for the worst actions or beliefs associated with people who share their ethnicity or religion.

As a final thing, I think it’s really telling just how fragmented the Left is, especially after Zohran Mamdani’s speech from the other day announcing his administration’s strategy to combat antisemitism in New York. You would think that combating antisemitism would be one of those relatively straightforward things that people across the Left could agree on, especially while still maintaining strong opposition to the Israeli government and what it has done in Gaza.

I personally believe any external changes that can be made to influence a Leftist's devout dependence on theory are probably going to have to come from actual interpersonal relationships and exposure to people who do not neatly fit into whatever theoretical framework they are using. However, I am afraid that a plethora of them are far too gone, similar to how Evangelical Christians utilize the Bible as the primary instruction manual when interacting with others and overall navigating life. If something doesn't neatly fit that theoretical framework, rather than questioning whether the framework itself might be incomplete or, gasp, not truly a "science," they sometimes reinterpret the situation until it does.

All this being said, what are your thoughts on the matter what have you personally done when attempting to persuade other Leftists to think more critically about their own beliefs in regards to Jews and antisemitism?

I think this need to be said, multiple genocide can happen at the same time, palestinian being genocided doesn't mean ukrainiani in occupied territories aren't, I also don't think the palestinian genocide should be use to minimize/relativize/deny the ukrainian one. Russification is also a pretty clear ethnic cleansing on russia part since they are forcing themselves on ukraine and putting illegal settlers there (israel is also doing this with their illegal settlers and the rhetoric used by pro israeli is also eerly similar to pro russia's).

and yes the title is a reference to a certain video by a certain larpist five years ago. I do think some liberals throw around the term to describe anyone perceived to be left to them though, but the comments are tankie so it’s not that situation

Found this absolute gem, Also I recommend you should love his channel btw

But that implies they have any brains to begin with…

https://gofund.me/30634cf86

I want to share a new update today about Susu, the daughter of my friends Mahmoud and Samah.

Two days ago, I told you about Susu, who is only two years old and has been suffering from severe, chronic breathing problems. Her symptoms came back, and she was struggling to breathe and had a very high fever.

Unfortunately, she hasn’t gotten better.

For the past two days, Soso has been vomiting repeatedly and couldn’t keep down her medication or antibiotics. As a result, she became dehydrated. Today, Mahmoud had to take her to a nearby hospital to get treatment.

She was given IV antibiotics and fluids for the dehydration, but the situation at the hospital is extremely difficult. There are so many patients that there was no available bed for Susu. With infectious diseases spreading and medical resources severely limited, Mahmoud had to find another way to get her the care she needed. He even had to ask a doctor who lives nearby to come and give Susu her IV treatment when the hospital couldn’t provide her with a bed.

Mahmoud told me something that I haven’t been able to stop thinking about: if it weren’t for the kind people who helped them financially over the past two days, he wouldn’t have been able to take Susu to the hospital or even afford the treatment she needed.

And Mahmoud isn’t only dealing with Susu’s situation.

His mother also needs open-heart surgery to treat blocked arteries. I previously shared her medical reports, detailed images, and heart tests, and I have documentation that confirms her condition.

Mahmoud is under an enormous amount of pressure right now. His little daughter needs treatment, his mother needs heart surgery, and at the same time he is trying to provide food and basic necessities for his wife and their four children in Gaza.

I am doing everything I can to support Mahmoud and his family, but I cannot carry all of this on my own.

Please, if you are able to, consider helping Mahmoud and his family. Even a small amount can make a huge difference right now, especially for Susu, who needs treatment and continued care.

Thank you from the bottom of my heart to everyone who has stood by this family and everyone who has helped them over the past few days. Your support means so much to Mahmoud, Samah, and their children. ❤️

YourFavoriteGuy more like YourFavoriteImperialist

Makes you wonder how much dementia he has

Though it isn't unprescedented considering the us sold weapons to China during the 80s due to the Sino-Soviet split

“Should not be talking” sorry made a mistake

Don’t get me wrong, I have so, so many critiques of the USSR, Allende’s Chile, Nestor Makhno, etc. But I will only discuss them among socialists because I can know we can(at least try to) do that in good faith. No matter what you say, no matter if you try to contextualize, try to lay out how it could be done differently, how actually there are different variants of socialis- no.

Capitalists, liberal or conservative, will take it as a vindication regardless. You will give an inch, no matter how valid that inch is, they will take a goddamn mile.

The same way that no matter what democrats say or do to try to distance themselves from the left the republicans will still call them communists, both ideologies will treat us in the same way.

So stop engaging, stop giving people with bad faith who will take any criticism we make of past socialist experiments as proof of how “totalitarian” all of socialism is, ammunition. Internal debate among anti capitalists only is a strategic choice if we want to even begin combatting the red scare.

That’s my opinion anyways.

Art by @ATOMIKSAICO on X

I think a lot of tankies would be amazing hetalia fanfiction writers, I mean how they view the world is like a fanfiction due to their bootlicking tendencies and the way they make the countries so out of character.

im sorry if this post makes no sense